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Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

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  • #272
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    FTA69 wrote: »
    He points out the fact that anti-Irish sentiment isn't necessarily confined to the far-right, who of course hate everything. In doing this he backs up what he was saying with his own personal experience, there's nothing hysterical about it. In posting on this thread I, and others, have used their own personal experiences to demonstrate that anti-Irish sentiment hasn't entirely gone away. I've met black people in Britain who say they have never experienced racism, that doesn't necessarily equate with their being no anti-black racism in the UK does it?

    He never actually uses any personal experience - he only refers to articles left on his blogs. At least if he is using internet trolls a eveidence it's sevear barrel-scraping.

    The existence of such incidents I never denied, I simply refered to them as bigotry and said it was in no way a phobia. If the jornalist's expereinces are enough why does he need to even bring up radical groups?

    Most but not all. As I said, everyone's experiences are different.

    "Most" meaning peopel who have lived there for decades and seen nothing. Again, not belittling your expereinces, I think it would be impossible to live for such a long time in a ounry as populated as the UK and miss it entirely.
    In the minds of some people, unfortunately, there is.

    And when this bigotry is manifested toward the Irish can this then not be called "anti-Irish bigotry" no? You're contradicting yourself mate.

    Intersting bit of misquoting there. First you break it up to change the meaning and secondly you actually directly change what I have written - I used the word "phobia", not "bigotry".

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #273
    Madam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    gallag wrote: »
    Has anyone said potato yet? Or tirty tree lol, always goes down well with an irish stranger. Especially irish bar men, they cant get enough.

    Eh?


  • #274
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭gallag


    FTA69 wrote: »

    I don't know what you're moaning about anyway. Over here in the "mainland" they don't usually differentiate between northern Paddy and southern Paddy.

    Philologos,



    To repeat myself for the umpteenth time: no I don't think it's a daily occurrence, I don't think it's impacting on my quality of life and I don't think we're under constant attack. Why people feel the need to put words in my mouth is beyond me.

    Secondly, I've also stated umpteenth times that I can tell the difference between a joke and something else. Someone calling you a "f*cking gyppo" and telling you to "go home to your own country" isn't a joke like. Believe it or not.
    Now ya wouldn't be pushing the "thick British cant read a map" sterotype now would ya? Quick there is a thread about that kia provo car and people are cutting the usual silly brits/unionists jokes even bringing up the Faulklands etc, what kind of phobia is that? Or mabey its just a bit of banter?

    There's enough problems in the world without inventing more.


  • #275
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    who the fug wrote: »
    Anyone know where this potato thing started, only noticed it with Keith Lemon and Jedward

    I think it started with Walter Raleigh bringing them back with him from America near the end of the 16th century.


  • #276
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭gallag


    Madam wrote: »

    Eh?
    Paddy goes into a John Lewis department store and asks the shopkeeper, "Excuse me sir, but do you sell potato clocks?"The shopkeeper looks at him and says, "Are you taking the piss? We sell cuckoo clocks, carriage clocks, grandfather clocks, alarm clocks... what the feck is a potato clock?"And Paddy says, "I don't know, but I start my new job at nine tomorrow, and the wife said 'You'd better get a potato clock.'"


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  • #277
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    He never actually uses any personal experience - he only refers to articles left on his blogs. At least if he is using internet trolls a eveidence it's sevear barrel-scraping.

    If you think that sentiment is limited to the internet you're wrong. Just because a comment is made on the internet doesn't mean that that opinion doesn't exist in reality.
    Intersting bit of misquoting there. First you break it up to change the meaning and secondly you actually directly change what I have written - I used the word "phobia", not "bigotry".

    B*llocks. You said there was such a thing as bigotry but no such thing as anti-Irish feeling, a contradiction in terms considering the fact that some examples of bigotry are of an anti-Irish character.


  • #278
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    I was born in England to Irish parents and having been living in Limerick since I was 3. The amount of slagging I get from my friends is ridiculous! Only banter though!

    I have a thick Limerick accent and the only time I've ever had hassle because of it was from one of the lookie lookie men over in gran canaria he started calling paddy and all this crap because I wouldn't buy anything.

    When my family lived in England, my Dad worked on a building site, and the day after Ireland beat England 1 nil in Euro 1988, he went in early on the monday and painted the score onto a big sheet of plywood and hung it up high so that all the English lads could see :D


  • #279
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    gallag wrote: »
    Paddy goes into a John Lewis department store and asks the shopkeeper, "Excuse me sir, but do you sell potato clocks?"The shopkeeper looks at him and says, "Are you taking the piss? We sell cuckoo clocks, carriage clocks, grandfather clocks, alarm clocks... what the feck is a potato clock?"And Paddy says, "I don't know, but I start my new job at nine tomorrow, and the wife said 'You'd better get a potato clock.'"

    Is that it?


  • #280
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭gallag


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    I was born in England to Irish parents and having been living in Limerick since I was 3. The amount of slagging I get from my friends is ridiculous! Only banter though!

    I have a thick Limerick accent and the only time I've ever had hassle because of it was from one of the lookie lookie men over in gran canaria he started calling paddy and all this crap because I wouldn't buy anything.

    When my family lived in England, my Dad worked on a building site, and the day after Ireland beat England 1 nil in Euro 1988, he went in early on the monday and painted the score onto a big sheet of plywood and hung it up high so that all the English lads could see :D
    Ahhh, the way it should be, slaging the **** out of each other :-)


  • #281
    Madam
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    gallag wrote: »
    Paddy goes into a John Lewis department store and asks the shopkeeper, "Excuse me sir, but do you sell potato clocks?"The shopkeeper looks at him and says, "Are you taking the piss? We sell cuckoo clocks, carriage clocks, grandfather clocks, alarm clocks... what the feck is a potato clock?"And Paddy says, "I don't know, but I start my new job at nine tomorrow, and the wife said 'You'd better get a potato clock.'"

    Oh Gawd, that is so bad:rolleyes: Can't say I've heard that before - thank god! Never mind Hibernophobia - what about countyphobia? The times I've heard some county in Ireland described is a sh*thole or some eejit calls someone a bogger on this site makes me embarrassed to be Irish.


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  • #282
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    FTA69 wrote: »
    If you think that sentiment is limited to the internet you're wrong. Just because a comment is made on the internet doesn't mean that that opinion doesn't exist in reality.

    We were specifcially talking about the journalist here: if he journalist has expereienced more direct discrimination or bigotry because of his nationality, why did he then not mention it in his piece?
    B*llocks. You said there was such a thing as bigotry but no such thing as anti-Irish feeling, a contradiction in terms considering the fact that some examples of bigotry are of an anti-Irish character.

    I said there was bigotry, I never said there was anti-Irish bigotry. That was you.

    To clarify: bigots will vent at whatever is going. Irish, Jews, Muslims, Americans, and so on. They won't be bigoted towards one group and completly cool with everyone else. Case in point, the North West Infidels.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #283
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    gallag wrote: »
    Ahhh, the way it should be, slaging the **** out of each other :-)

    True! I'll have the last laugh the lads try to get a second holiday visa to Canada but only have an Irish passport :P


  • #284
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    I said there was bigotry, I said there was an anti-Irish phobia, I never said there was anti-Irish bigotry. That was you.

    To clarify: bigots will vent at whatever is going. Irish, Jews, Muslims, Americans, and so on. They won't be bigoted towards one group and completly cool with everyone else. Case in point, the North West Infidels.

    Oh for the love of God, I've had enough of this ridiculous semantical nonsense to be honest.

    Anti-Irish bigotry exists. Some people don't like the Irish and are prejudiced toward them in some way or form. Many of these people also dislike other groups e.g. Jews or blacks.

    It isn't that complicated.


  • #285
    who the fug
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    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    True! I'll have the last laugh the lads try to get a second holiday visa to Canada but only have an Irish passport :P

    How did you get two, cut off date is the 31/12/82


  • #286
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Chinasea wrote: »
    Classy publication. Are you for real. You might have well linked back to Stormfront.

    The Irish Post has served the Irish community in Britain with much acclaim for many years now and has always been well regarded. I wrote a few features for it myself, years back.

    To compare it to Stormfront is like comparing a fish to a bicycle.


  • #287
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Oh for the love of God, I've had enough of this ridiculous semantical nonsense to be honest.

    Anti-Irish bigotry exists. Some people don't like the Irish and are prejudiced toward them in some way or form. Many of these people also dislike other groups e.g. Jews or blacks.

    It isn't that complicated.

    Elaborate on the bit in bold, please.

    I've already explaied the bigotry bit. Bigots exist. They're not anti-Iirsh, they're bigots. This does not a phobia make.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #288
    crockholm
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    old hippy wrote: »
    The Irish Post has served the Irish community in Britain with much acclaim for many years now and has always been well regarded. I wrote a few features for it myself, years back.

    To compare it to Stormfront is like comparing a fish to a bicycle.

    Fish have wheels and Bicycle fingers are delicious


  • #289
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭gallag


    Madam wrote: »

    Oh Gawd, that is so bad:rolleyes: Can't say I've heard that before - thank god! Never mind Hibernophobia - what about countyphobia? The times I've heard some county in Ireland described is a sh*thole or some eejit calls someone a bogger on this site makes me embarrassed to be Irish.
    How about this, it is a toofor as it mocks both the irish and the French.

    The French President is sitting in his office when his telephone rings.'Hallo, Mr. Sarkozy!' a heavily accented voice said. 'This is Paddy down at the Harp Pub in County Clare , Ireland .. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially declaring war on you! We voted to reject the Lisbon treaty!''Well, Paddy,' Sarkozy replied, 'This is indeed important news! How big is your army?''Right now,' says Paddy, after a moment's calculation, 'there is myself, me Cousin Sean, me next door neighbour Seamus, and the entire darts team from the pub. That makes eleven!'Sarkozy paused. 'I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100,000 men in my army waiting to move on my command.''Begoora!' says Paddy. 'I'll have to ring you back.'Sure enough, the next day, Paddy calls again. 'Mr. Sarkozy, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!' 'And what equipment would that be Paddy?' Sarkozy asks.'Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor.'Sarkozy sighs amused. 'I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 6,000 tanks and 5,000 armoured personnel carriers. Also, I have increased my army to 150,000 since we last spoke.''Saints preserve us!' says Paddy. 'I'll have to get back to you.'Sure enough, Paddy rings again the next day. 'Mr. Sarkozy, the war is still on! We have managed to get ourselves airborne! We have modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Shamrock Bar have joined us as well!'Sarkozy was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. 'I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes. My military bases are surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I have increased my army to 200,000!''Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!' says Paddy, 'I will have to ring you back.'Sure enough, Paddy calls again the next day. 'Top o' the mornin', Mr. Sarkozy! I am sorry to inform you that we have had to call off the war.''Really? I am sorry to hear that,' says Sarkozy. 'Why the sudden change of heart?''Well,' says Paddy, 'we had a long chat over a few pints of Guinness and packets of crisps, and we decided there is no fookin' way we can feed 200,000 prisoners.


  • #290
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    who the fug wrote: »
    How did you get two, cut off date is the 31/12/82

    I don't have a British one right now, but because I was born to "settled" (not traveller! haha) parents which according to British Citizenship law includes people from the Republic of Ireland, I can get one if I ever need one.


  • #291
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Elaborate on the bit in bold, please.

    I've already explaied the bigotry bit. Bigots exist. They're not anti-Iirsh, they're bigots.

    So just because someone hates blacks, gays and Jews as well as the Irish, they're not really anti-Irish? Nonsense. Semantical nonsense at that.

    Not to mention the stereotype of the Irish as thick Paddies that many often enocunter from some English people. That also exists too by the way. Shock horror.


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  • #292
    who the fug
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    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    I don't have a British one right now, but because I was born to "settled" (not traveller! haha) parents which according to British Citizenship law includes people from the Republic of Ireland, I can get one if I ever need one.

    Sorry can't see a listing for it here


  • #293
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    FTA69 wrote: »
    So just because someone hates blacks, gays and Jews as well as the Irish, they're not really anti-Irish? Nonsense. Semantical nonsense at that.

    Not to mention the stereotype of the Irish as thick Paddies that many often enocunter from some English people. That also exists too by the way. Shock horror.

    Last line in my last post explains all of the above - they're bigots. Semantical would be to took one aspect of their bigotry and highlight that and try to play it up to be a phobia.

    The stereotype is redundant. Any sensible British person doesn't think like that.

    You seem to think that, because someone abused your nationality, you have the right to portray vast swathes of them as people who actually believe "the stereotype of the Irish as thick Paddies" which, let's face it, vey few of us actually encounter.

    I'm out of here. You're grossly exaggerating something and trying to create a problem were none simply exists. It's simply a case of you wanting to believe it rather than it acgtually axisting on a widespred level. I belive it's called "tea-party politics".

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #294
    9959
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    crockholm wrote: »
    Fish have wheels and Bicycle fingers are delicious

    I remember seeing a beautiful surrealist painting of a goldfish driving a combine harvester, not sure if it was by Magritte, Ernst, or my five-year-old son, I knew I'd get the chance to mention it eventually.
    Multiculturalism sure is all encompassing, and thank goodness for that!


    Sorry wrong thread/forum.
    MODS can you move this to 'Mustard', cheers.


  • #295
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    You're grossly exaggerating something and trying to create a problem were none simply exists.

    Nope, and you repeatedly accusing me of trying to conjure up something that has a documented history and is a current reality (albeit on an irregular basis)is ridiculous to say the least.

    Good luck.


  • #296
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    FTA69 wrote: »
    So just because someone hates blacks, gays and Jews as well as the Irish, they're not really anti-Irish? Nonsense. Semantical nonsense at that.

    Not to mention the stereotype of the Irish as thick Paddies that many often enocunter from some English people. That also exists too by the way. Shock horror.

    But if it doesn't happen to some people, if they have never experienced racism or bigotry first hand - it doesn't exist/it's not a problem etc.

    It doesn't bother me as much as it used to, except when people make comments about the other half. That makes the blood boil, the heart beat insufferably and the anger rise within :(


  • #297
    Weathering
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Weathering


    An Australian girl once asked me was I catholic or protestant. I replied catholic. She said ugh I hate u guys I prefer protestants and I replied I prefer you guys in black and white stripes so I don't need to hear your accent to determine you're a mongrel convict. She soon shut up

    I didn't mean it but I have a low tolerance for people like that


  • #298
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FTA69 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2012/07/17/return-of-anti-irish-racism-in-britain/



    I think comparing the James Larkin society to the "Love Ulster" parades and the Irish Post newspaper to Stormfront could be fairly called hysterical distortions to say the least. Similarly the notion that anyone who raises anti-Irish sentiment is obviously an unintegrated Kilburn eejit could be construed as a hysterical reaction.

    Actually I was thinking that a march in England commemorating a hunger striker was a bit like the love Ulster parades.


  • #299
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    who the fug wrote: »
    Sorry can't see a listing for it here

    Me neither but http://britishembassyinireland.fco.gov.uk/content/en/article/passport-do-i-qualify


  • #300
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Me neither but http://britishembassyinireland.fco.gov.uk/content/en/article/passport-do-i-qualify

    Thanks for that, may come in handy that


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  • #301
    Chinasea
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    The Post is the largest Irish paper in Britain and is often used by the government and the GAA to carry ads and whatnot. How is that comparable to Stormfront?

    No sense whatsoever.

    Basically the Irish Times article by an Irish journalist living in England had the same reaction as many on this board; hysterical attempts to portray anyone who mentions there is such a thing as anti-Irish sentiment as a thin-skinned bigot spoiling for trouble. It's pathetic really.
    FTA69 wrote: »
    Fratton Fred wrote: »

    http://www.ir-news.net/2013/02/anti-irish-racism-reported-on-the-increase/

    The link that you posted above is the one I meant to link just to clear that up. Not the link to the Irish Post. Obvious, big difference. You linked back to a rag imo.


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