Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:10PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The quotation header in both your quotes was "iwasfrozen of the British"

I´m not aware that was my fault, I´ve just taken a copy of the quotation header and it has been already there, I´ve not inserted it. I wouldn´t have even thought of doing such stupid things. Maybe something got wrong by doing the copy and paste.

Well, next time I´ll pay more attention to this. I´m sorry for the mistake if this has been in my doing, but there was no intention from my side.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 05:11PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

I´m not aware that was my fault, I´ve just taken a copy of the quotation header and it has been already there, I´ve not inserted it. I wouldn´t have even thought of doing such stupid things. Maybe something got wrong by doing the copy and paste.

Well, next time I´ll pay more attention to this. I´m sorry for the mistake if this has been in my doing, but there was no intention from my side.

Ah that's ok, I didn't realise it was a mistake no offence taken.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:13PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I assume you understand the difference between stae and country and just choose to ignore it. These people were ethnically Irish but they were not Irish citizens. We had no moral duty to protect them.

They are Irish, some fake state created out of unionist fear doesn't change that.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:15PM

Frederick Schomberg wrote: »

Why do you even bother?

Sure what is the point of you screaming for a United Ireland when in reality you hate the very people who are opposed to it. A distinct people who are completely different you. A people who have a culture of their own. Different values, different religion, different political ideology and even a different brand of music in many ways and even a different background to you and people from the Irish race.

So why bother? Just leave the Ulster Scots alone and stop trying to unite a people who don't care or want to be united with you. It is a complete waste of time.

Great culture!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My5cf2zlkpo

A cancer on this island.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 05:16PM

jugger0 wrote: »

They are Irish, some fake state created out of unionist fear doesn't change that.

Why is Northern Ireland a fake state? Looks real to me.

LordSutch · 25-02-2013 05:18PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Great culture!

A cancer on this island.

I would guess that 99.9% of Unionists would be disgusted, disheartned and annoyed by the rabble in that clip (post#426).

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:22PM

Frederick Schomberg wrote: »

Completely irrelevant to the point about a group of people in Ulster who are just different from you and don't want anything to do with you. Why can't some Republicans accept that?

I struggle to see why they waste so much energy trying to unite with a people who want to be left alone?

I dont want a United Ireland with Unionists, best case scenario would be for them to take their own advice and go home, the British should of done the right thing and brought all the colonists back with them after the war of independence, instead they left us with the mess that is Northern Ireland.

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:22PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I would guess that 99.9% of Unionists would be disgusted, disheartned and annoyed by the rabble in that clip (post#426).

I´d set the scale of that percentage much lower. Lucky if it would just 50% of them. Anyway, it´s difficult to sort that scale out because as everywhere, you´ve the rational people and the usual posers.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:25PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I would guess that 99.9% of Unionists would be disgusted, disheartned and annoyed by the rabble in that clip (post#426).

Be honest, its clear the majority of Unionists would applaud this, no surrender! kill all taigs etc Anything Irish and catholic is abhorrent to the vast majority of unionists.

LordSutch · 25-02-2013 05:25PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

I´d set the scale of that percentage much lower. Lucky if it would just 50% of them. Anyway, it´s
difficult to sort that scale out because as everywhere, you´ve the rational people and the usual posers.

Just to point out I did say 'Unionists' as opposed to Loyalists, a subtle difference no doubt, but a difference non the less.

I would still stand by my 99.9%.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 05:25PM

Frederick Schomberg wrote: »

you hate the very people who are opposed to it.

Absolutely and profoundly wrong, and the usual mistake of somebody who doesn't understand the problem.
I genuinely believe had they held out for a complete British withdrawal we would all be looking forward to St Paddy's Day followed by the 12th and celebrating warmly the diversity that makes us Irish.
Things always move on, it would have been painful but it has been hugely painful anyway, it has just been over a longer period of time. Had the men/women of that time had the balls (currently discussing on another thread, another time when we -the Irish republic - had the oppurtuntiy to alter the course of events) we would be approaching almost a century of peace on this island, this entire island.

Ash.J.Williams · 25-02-2013 05:26PM

jugger0 wrote: »

I dont want a United Ireland with Unionists, best case scenario would be for them to take their own advice and go home, the British should of done the right thing and brought all the colonists back with them after the war of independence, instead they left us with the mess that is Northern Ireland.

NI isn't a mess?

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:28PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Just to point out I did say 'Unionists' as opposed to Loyalists, a subtle difference no doubt, but a difference non the less.

I would still stand by my 99.9%.

I think that there is a chance that all these things are shifting to a more individual consideration by both communities (Unionist / Loyalists). At least I´d hope so. Your 99.9% are very optimistic, indeed.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:30PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

NI isn't a mess?

Yes it is, half the "country" hate the other half and jump at the opportunity to beat lumps out of each other, have you forgot the troubles so soon? wouldn't take much to start it off again.

Yamanoto · 25-02-2013 05:31PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Be honest, its clear the majority of Unionists would applaud this, no surrender! kill all taigs etc Anything Irish and catholic is abhorrent to the vast majority of unionists.

Step away from the keyboard, you're making yourself look silly tbh.

Ash.J.Williams · 25-02-2013 05:31PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Yes it is, half the "country" hate the other half and jump at the opportunity to beat lumps out of each other, have you forgot the troubles so soon? wouldn't take much to start it off again.

no they dont

LordSutch · 25-02-2013 05:37PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

At least I´d hope so. Your 99.9% are very optimistic, indeed.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate the term Unionist (as opposed to Loyalist) and the kind of people they are?

Far too often recently, the term Unionist has been deliberately inserted into certain situations where the protagonists could only be described as 'Loyalists' (of the extreme variety), so the term Unionist is deliberately being degraded by some . . .

I would describe the "famine song" pipe band outside the church as Loyalists, and not very nice ones at that.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:39PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

no they dont

Are you serious? they've been shooting and blowing each other to pieces for years and suddenly everything's fine and dandy? lol

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:41PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Absolutely and profoundly wrong, and the usual mistake of somebody who doesn't understand the problem.
I genuinely believe had they held out for a complete British withdrawal we would all be looking forward to St Paddy's Day followed by the 12th and celebrating warmly the diversity that makes us Irish.
Things always move on, it would have been painful but it has been hugely painful anyway, it has just been over a longer period of time. Had the men/women of that time had the balls (currently discussing on another thread, another time when we -the Irish republic - had the oppurtuntiy to alter the course of events) we would be approaching almost a century of peace on this island, this entire island.

If you would only for one moment consider the British point of view at that time you´d either reject this view or you´d see clearly what was at stake in 1921.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 05:42PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Are you serious? they've been shooting and blowing each other to pieces for years and suddenly everything's fine and dandy? lol

Yes, it's called progress. You're also wrong when you say half the country hate the other half, the number of bigots on wither side of the divide is no where near 50%.

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:45PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Maybe you need to re-evaluate the term Unionist (as opposed to Loyalist) and the kind of people they are?

Far too often recently, the term Unionist has been deliberately inserted into certain situations where the protagonists could only be described as 'Loyalists' (of the extreme variety), so the term Unionist is deliberately being degraded by some . . .

I would describe the "famine song" pipe band outside the church as Loyalists, and not very nice ones at that.

Well, I know about the difference between Unionists and Loyalists, but they´re both backing the Union and therefore in this regards, I take them as one unit. I admit that this also comes from what you´ve said.

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:47PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes, it's called progress. You're also wrong when you say half the country hate the other half, the number of bigots on wither side of the divide is no where near 50%.

I see it also that way. I´ll get my coat.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:47PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes, it's called progress. You're also wrong when you say half the country hate the other half, the number of bigots on wither side of the divide is no where near 50%.

Do nationalist's suddenly look forward to the 12th? the famine song? the Tri-color sitting on top of a bonfire? these aren't going to go away any time soon and neither will the divide and hatred.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 05:50PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

If you would only for one moment consider the British point of view at that time you´d either reject this view or you´d see clearly what was at stake in 1921.

The next century of peace was at stake, they got it tragically wrong and continued to 'get it wrong'.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 05:52PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Do nationalist's suddenly look forward to the 12th? the famine song? the Tri-color sitting on top of a bonfire? these aren't going to go away any time soon and neither will the divide and hatred.

I'm sure they don't but coming to terms with these traditions is the price of peace. The orange order and 12th of July celebrations won't go away if there is ever a united Ireland.

Chips Lovell · 25-02-2013 06:00PM

jugger0 wrote: »

They are Irish, some fake state created out of unionist fear doesn't change that.

jugger0 wrote: »

I dont want a United Ireland with Unionists, best case scenario would be for them to take their own advice and go home, the British should of done the right thing and brought all the colonists back with them after the war of independence, instead they left us with the mess that is Northern Ireland.

jugger0 wrote: »

Be honest, its clear the majority of Unionists would applaud this, no surrender! kill all taigs etc Anything Irish and catholic is abhorrent to the vast majority of unionists.

You really aren't doing your side of the debate any favours here with this kind of stuff.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 06:01PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm sure they don't but coming to terms with these traditions is the price of peace. The orange order and 12th of July celebrations won't go away if there is ever a united Ireland.

If there was ever a United Ireland there would be war without a shadow of a doubt, king Billys finest would never be lumped in with the free stater's.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 06:02PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

You really aren't doing your side of the debate any favours here with this kind of stuff.

The Truth hurts but id rather live in reality then PC lala land like yourself.

Nodin · 25-02-2013 06:02PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm sure they don't but coming to terms with these traditions is the price of peace. The orange order and 12th of July celebrations won't go away if there is ever a united Ireland.

Neither will Republicanism, which is something some have yet to take on board.

old hippy · 25-02-2013 06:02PM

This argument... seems... familiar....

Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

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