Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:03PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wasn't our fight, and giving the IRA weapons would only have resulted in more civilian deaths.

Of course it was! its the responsibility of the Irish state to protect the Irish people, the state failed and the people took it upon themselves.

LordSutch · 25-02-2013 04:05PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Of course it was! its the responsibility of the Irish state to protect the Irish people, the state failed and the people took it upon themselves.

How dare you say that it was our responsibility as a state!

The PIRA were our enemy too you know . . . .

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 04:05PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

It is not, because the Ulster Scots were part of the then ruling class in NI.

iwasfrozen of the British? That's it this conversation is over and next time we talk have some manners.

Duggys Housemate · 25-02-2013 04:07PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Us?

Dublin bombings.

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 04:07PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

iwasfrozen of the British? That's it this conversation is over and next time we talk have some manners.

Excuse me? What do you mean?

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:18PM

LordSutch wrote: »

How dare you say that it was our responsibility as a state!

It was though, an all out war with Britain would end in defeat, but collusion could of been an effective tool and could of limited civilian deaths, a well trained unit of the ARW posing as provos could wreak havoc on the Brits.

Michael Collins planned on paying and supplying IRA men in the north, he had the right idea.

LordSutch · 25-02-2013 04:30PM

jugger0 wrote: »

.... a well trained unit of the ARW posing as provos could wreak havoc on the Brits.

Define 'Brits'?

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:33PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Define 'Brits'?

British army, loyalist gangs UVF/UDA etc, RUC, UDR.

LordSutch · 25-02-2013 04:35PM

The British Army were the enemy of the PIRA + other assorted riff raff.

Fratton Fred · 25-02-2013 04:38PM

jugger0 wrote: »

British army, loyalist gangs UVF/UDA etc, RUC, UDR.

You would have sent state forces over the border to kill policemen?

That's just bat**** crazy. The UK would have been entitled to defend itself, ie attack the Irish Defence Force.

The Curragh would have been bombed to crap.

gallag · 25-02-2013 04:44PM

jugger0 wrote: »

It was though, an all out war with Britain would end in defeat, but collusion could of been an effective tool and could of limited civilian deaths, a well trained unit of the ARW posing as provos could wreak havoc on the Brits.

Michael Collins planned on paying and supplying IRA men in the north, he had the right idea.

Is this the most stupid post ever? I honestly think that out of the millions of boards posts this has to at least be top 10. Bravo.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 04:47PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You would have sent state forces over the border to kill policemen?

That's just bat**** crazy. The UK would have been entitled to defend itself, ie attack the Irish Defence Force.

The Curragh would have been bombed to crap.

What he/she is saying is that we could have armed them to fight from within, just like the British armed the Loyalists/Unionists and backed their discriminatory state. There is a difference from us attacking from the south. The British had already lost and feared a guerilla war, because it was unwinable.
We didn't have the balls to finish the job so the one constant in our divisive history, (the prescence of the British) is still here, as is the division.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:49PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You would have sent state forces over the border to kill policemen?

That's just bat**** crazy. The UK would have been entitled to defend itself, ie attack the Irish Defence Force.

The Curragh would have been bombed to crap.

The British sent their forces over the border plenty of times, obviously the soldiers would of been acting as PIRA men, not Irish soldiers.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:50PM

gallag wrote: »

Is this the most stupid post ever? I honestly think that out of the millions of boards posts this has to at least be top 10. Bravo.

Why are your jimmies so rustled?

gallag · 25-02-2013 04:51PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

What he/she is saying is that we could have armed them to fight from within, just like the British armed the Loyalists/Unionists and backed their discriminatory state. There is a difference from us attacking from the south. The British had already lost and feared a guerilla war, because it was unwinable.
We didn't have the balls to finish the job so the one constant in our divisive history, (the prescence of the British) is still here, as is the division.

How do you feel about the majority of people in N.I never wanting to be part of a UI? not then and not now, so you are angry with the irish government for not supporting the murder of civilans and police officers to try to force a UI against the will of the people.

gallag · 25-02-2013 04:51PM

jugger0 wrote: »

The British sent their forces over the border plenty of times, obviously the soldiers would of been acting as PIRA men, not Irish soldiers.

Are you special?

Nodin · 25-02-2013 04:53PM

LordSutch wrote: »

..........
The PIRA were our enemy too you know . . . .

Less of the "our" please.

gallag · 25-02-2013 04:55PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Why are your jimmies so rustled?

You did not even use that right, the "jimmies rustled" only makes sence if some one displays anger or outrage, not mocking a retarted post with a hint of sympathy lol.

Yamanoto · 25-02-2013 04:57PM

gallag wrote: »

Is this the most stupid post ever? I honestly think that out of the millions of boards posts this has to at least be top 10. Bravo.

The eejit below certainly deserves a mention.

You'ze Republicans should run a tighter ship tbh :pac:

Predator_ wrote: »

The English are the real terrorists. The IRA, Hamas, Al Queda etc are freedom fighters.

Fratton Fred · 25-02-2013 04:57PM

jugger0 wrote: »

The British sent their forces over the border plenty of times, obviously the soldiers would of been acting as PIRA men, not Irish soldiers.

No they didn't. The odd time they strayed over the border they were rounded up.

It doesn't matter what they pretended to be, the fact is the ARW going into a foreign country and attacking their armed forces is an act of war.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:57PM

gallag wrote: »

How do you feel about the majority of people in N.I never wanting to be part of a UI? not then and not now, so you are angry with the irish government for not supporting the murder of civilans and police officers to try to force a UI against the will of the people.

How do you feel about the nationalists in NI not getting equal rights? being bullied by the unionist population, corrupt police force and trigger happy para's? I am angry about the Irish government doing nothing when our countrymen needed assistance defending their communities from a hostile population intent on burning them from the province.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 04:58PM

gallag wrote: »

You did not even use that right, the "jimmies rustled" only makes sence if some one displays anger or outrage, not mocking a retarted post with a hint of sympathy lol.

Whens the marching season starting? are ye still allowed sing the famine song?

Fratton Fred · 25-02-2013 04:59PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

What he/she is saying is that we could have armed them to fight from within, just like the British armed the Loyalists/Unionists and backed their discriminatory state. There is a difference from us attacking from the south. The British had already lost and feared a guerilla war, because it was unwinable.
We didn't have the balls to finish the job so the one constant in our divisive history, (the prescence of the British) is still here, as is the division.

No, juger is advocating an invasion of the UK.

gallag · 25-02-2013 05:03PM

jugger0 wrote: »

How do you feel about the nationalists in NI not getting equal rights? being bullied by the unionist population, corrupt police force and trigger happy para's? I am angry about the Irish government doing nothing when our countrymen needed assistance defending their communities from a hostile population intent on burning them from the province.

I feel sad about all that, dark times made worse by both sides, I am happy now that my neighbours/friends that were once down trodden from the catholic community are now an integral and equal citizen of our great country. Great to see the pro UK support from both community's in the north.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 05:03PM

Thomas_I wrote: »

Excuse me? What do you mean?

The quotation header in both your quotes was "iwasfrozen of the British"

gallag · 25-02-2013 05:05PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Whens the marching season starting? are ye still allowed sing the famine song?

You are the gift that keeps giving, you sound pretty bitter? What has made you this way?

Thomas_I · 25-02-2013 05:05PM

gallag wrote: »

How do you feel about the majority of people in N.I never wanting to be part of a UI? not then and not now, so you are angry with the irish government for not supporting the murder of civilans and police officers to try to force a UI against the will of the people.

It´s more some bitterness out of deep-rooted disappointment, I think.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2013 05:06PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Of course it was! its the responsibility of the Irish state to protect the Irish people, the state failed and the people took it upon themselves.

I assume you understand the difference between stae and country and just choose to ignore it. These people were ethnically Irish but they were not Irish citizens. We had no moral duty to protect them.

Happyman42 · 25-02-2013 05:07PM

gallag wrote: »

How do you feel about the majority of people in N.I never wanting to be part of a UI? not then and not now, so you are angry with the irish government for not supporting the murder of civilans and police officers to try to force a UI against the will of the people.

There where plenty who where forced into partition too.
The 'constant' in the history of violence on this island is the prescence of the British. What I am saying is that we didn't finish the job off, and we should have.
The south of Ireland has seen peace, (for what will very soon be a century) when that 'constant' was removed and the mess they left was resolved.
Yes there are those who don't want to be part of a UI, but a UI is the only way the island will be at peace.
The Northern state failed, tragically. It cannot now function without the constant supervision and interaction of the Dublin and London governments and an international agreement.
It is limping along to a UI and many oppurtunities are being wasted because people won't embrace the inevitable.

jugger0 · 25-02-2013 05:08PM

gallag wrote: »

I feel sad about all that, dark times made worse by both sides, I am happy now that my neighbours/friends that were once down trodden from the catholic community are now an integral and equal citizen of our great country. Great to see the pro UK support from both community's in the north.

And would you believe things only got better when the Provos started defending their community, kill us and we will kill you back. You mad sinn fein is in government? Im not too worried about a UI to be honest, as long as my country men aren't being beaten by the RUC, shot by British soldiers,whole estates under siege by blood thirsty unionist mobs then its all good... pity it took all the killing to change your treatment of the Nationalist community.

Sinn Féin,s "Republic Day".

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