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tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:29PM

Rightwing wrote: »

So that makes it ok just because the bankers and regulators ruined the country

Well if you're going to blame the Unions it must be

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:32PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Well if you're going to blame the Unions it must be

The unions are holding the government to ransom, I say let them go on strike, bring on the blu flu. We'll meet their threats head on.

kippy · 17-02-2013 10:33PM

Rightwing wrote: »

The unions are holding the government to ransom, I say let them go on strike, bring on the blu flu. We'll meet their threats head on.

The true and bitter posting of a keyboard warrior with absolutely no appreciation of the real world.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:33PM

Rightwing wrote: »

The unions are holding the government to ransom, I say let them go on strike, bring on the blu flu. We'll meet their threats head on.

Good man yourself. You can't beat bravery

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:35PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Good man yourself. You can't beat bravery

Undoubtedly your best post on this debate.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:37PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Undoubtedly your best post on this debate.

Thank you, your nobleness

woodoo · 17-02-2013 10:38PM

Rightwing wrote: »

We'll meet their threats head on.

Whats this we business are you in the government?

road_high · 17-02-2013 10:39PM

kippy wrote: »

The true and bitter posting of a keyboard warrior with absolutely no appreciation of the real world.

Ya think? How's this for real world; the country is running a €12 billion deficit i.e spending far in eXcess of what it can afford. Anyone that points out this (sad) reality appears to be vilified for having some inane vandetta against the PS. I assure you it ain't, people just want to get the public finances sorted so Ireland can recover and not continue to rack up massive debts we cannot afford and will have to pay interest on, robbing spending from future budgets. As PS spending is such a large part of public spending it's utterly unavoidalbr that the pay bill must be reduced further. There isn't any other option.

SB2013 · 17-02-2013 10:39PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Good man yourself. You can't beat bravery

Actually you can. That's a common misconception. Bravery can easily be beaten. A week without emergency services and public utilities would most likely do it.

not yet · 17-02-2013 10:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Rightwing wrote: »

The Public Sector is not a company.
Could you point out a country where the Public Sector actually makes money please?

Plus you have not been proving anything you have just been taking cheap and wild shots at Public Sector workers.

Easy there tiger, you need to go back and have a look at who and what you are quoting.........The attached quote is not mine.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:44PM

road_high wrote: »

Ya think? How's this for real world; the country is running a €12 billion deficit i.e spending far in eXcess of what it can afford. Anyone that points out this (sad) reality appears to be vilified for having some inane vandetta against the PS. I assure you it ain't, people just want to get the public finances sorted so Ireland can recover and not continue to rack up massive debts we cannot afford and will have to pay interest on, robbing spending from future budgets. As PS spending is such a large part of public spending it's utterly unavoidalbr that the pay bill must be reduced further. There isn't any other option.

All that is too bad but to think we can cut their pay again and expect them to work for less and still pay their way from day to day is ridiculous. You can't get a pint from a half-pint glass. If we want Public Services we can't expect workers to work Saturdays and nights for nothing extra. Get real.

road_high · 17-02-2013 10:44PM

SB2013 wrote: »

Actually you can. That's a common misconception. Bravery can easily be beaten. A week without emergency services and public utilities would most likely do it.

That will just prove the state is overburdened with big government. Try this one and roll on mass privatisations and contracting out to the public sector.

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:45PM

woodoo wrote: »

Whats this we business are you in the government?

We as in the public, we're getting tired of these blue flu threats.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:46PM

road_high wrote: »

That will just prove the state is overburdened with big government. Try this one and roll on mass privatisations and contracting out to the public sector.

That's very funny.
Private Sector prison officers and garda. I can't wait to see the pandemonium.

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:47PM

road_high wrote: »

That will just prove the state is overburdened with big government. Try this one and roll on mass privatisations and contracting out to the public sector.

Exactly, only problem is no government in this country has the courage to do that.

not yet · 17-02-2013 10:47PM

Rightwing wrote: »

We as in the public, we're getting tired of these blue flu threats.

Are you forgetting that the 300,000 PS workers have wives, fathers,mothers, etc etc that run into probably 1 million people. So you can stick we the public up you're ...........

SB2013 · 17-02-2013 10:48PM

road_high wrote: »

That will just prove the state is overburdened with big government. Try this one and roll on mass privatisations and contracting out to the public sector.

And you'll very quickly get a massive outflow of skilled workers. Australia and Canada are very appealing to emergency services workers at the moment. A Garda can go to Western Australia and do a 3 month conversion course and earn 70k per year. You might say "Let them go, they'll be replaced." but what will they be replaced with? How much will it cost to replace them? How long will the training take? Will the second choice candidates be good enough to fill the hole?

road_high · 17-02-2013 10:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

All that is too bad but to think we can cut their pay again and expect them to work for less and still pay their way from day to day is ridiculous. You can't get a pint from a half-pint glass. If we want Public Services we can't expect workers to work Saturdays and nights for nothing extra. Get real.

Get real? LOL. It is too bad the state is running a massive deficit. PS pay is a huge part of this deficit and anyone with a jot of sense looking at the figures can see its patently obvious more pay cuts are on the cards to reduce the defict down further. If you don't want to hear this or accept that's not much else to say to you. If theie skills are that valuable I'm sure the market will pay handsomely for them elsewhere and they won't loose out on weekend pay etc.

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:49PM

not yet wrote: »

Are you forgetting that the 300,000 PS workers have wives, fathers,mothers, etc etc that run into probably 1 million people. So you can stick we the public up you're ...........

Let's not get carried away with our emotions.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:52PM

not yet wrote: »

Are you forgetting that the 300,000 PS workers have wives, fathers,mothers, etc etc that run into probably 1 million people. So you can stick we the public up you're ...........

Many in the Private Sector will back you to the hilt too.
We know that if you're cut then we are next, especially the places with no Union reps.

road_high · 17-02-2013 10:52PM

SB2013 wrote: »

And you'll very quickly get a massive outflow of skilled workers. Australia and Canada are very appealing to emergency services workers at the moment. A Garda can go to Western Australia and do a 3 month conversion course and earn 70k per year. You might say "Let them go, they'll be replaced." but what will they be replaced with? How much will it cost to replace them? How long will the training take? Will the second choice candidates be good enough to fill the hole?

Off they go. We are not Canada or Aust, we do not have the luxury of their budgets. This is Ireland.
I'm not aware of any mass ouflow of exisiting staff from the PS to these places. It's the poor old recent graduates and people trying to get into the services that have been pushed out as CP1 cushioned the existing staff to the detriment of new recruits.

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:53PM

SB2013 wrote: »

And you'll very quickly get a massive outflow of skilled workers. Australia and Canada are very appealing to emergency services workers at the moment. A Garda can go to Western Australia and do a 3 month conversion course and earn 70k per year. You might say "Let them go, they'll be replaced." but what will they be replaced with? How much will it cost to replace them? How long will the training take? Will the second choice candidates be good enough to fill the hole?

I can't see why they wouldn't be able to. Bring on more garda reservists. There can't be too much involved in setting up a road checkpoint and look for a car with no tax.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:53PM

road_high wrote: »

Get real? LOL. It is too bad the state is running a massive deficit. PS pay is a huge part of this deficit and anyone with a jot of sense looking at the figures can see its patently obvious more pay cuts are on the cards to reduce the defict down further. If you don't want to hear this or accept that's not much else to say to you. If theie skills are that valuable I'm sure the market will pay handsomely for them elsewhere and they won't loose out on weekend pay etc.

Ha ha Private Sector garda and prison officers. There would be great craic in the courts listening to the rumpus.
Not to mention the years it would take to train them.
What do we do in the meantime?

woodoo · 17-02-2013 10:54PM

Rightwing wrote: »

We as in the public, we're getting tired of these blue flu threats.

So how will you meet it head on? What will you do

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:54PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Let's not get carried away with our emotions.

:rolleyes:

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:55PM

woodoo wrote: »

So how will you meet it head on? What will you do

He has a wee army in his back garden. (imaginary)

Rightwing · 17-02-2013 10:56PM

woodoo wrote: »

So how will you meet it head on? What will you do

Absolutely nothing. And that in itself proves we have far too many Gardai etc.

If the county council goes on strike tomorrow, would anyone even know ?

SB2013 · 17-02-2013 10:56PM

road_high wrote: »

Off they go. We are not Canada or Aust, we do not have the luxury of their budgets. This is Ireland.
I'm not aware of any mass ouflow of exisiting staff from the PS to these places. It's the poor old recent graduates and people trying to get into the services that have been pushed out as CP1 cushioned the existing staff to the detriment of new recruits.

Give it time.

Rightwing wrote: »

I can't see why they wouldn't be able to. Bring on more garda reservists. There can't be too much involved in setting up a road checkpoint and look for a car with no tax.

Ah, you're one of those.

road_high · 17-02-2013 10:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Ha ha Private Sector garda and prison officers. There would be great craic in the courts listening to the rumpus.
Not to mention the years it would take to train them.
What do we do in the meantime?

Is there some reason why the state could not contract servcies out to private companies for say Prison services? Nothing is sacred when you are in the hole Ireland's finances are in. This is the way things will head if savings are not relaised.
As long as strict standards and codes of practice are maintained I see no reason why the state cannot do this. I see lots of private ambulance companies around as well. Are we to believe they do less of a job than state ones. I doubt it.

tayto lover · 17-02-2013 10:58PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Absolutely nothing. And that in itself proves we have far too many Gardai etc.

If the county council goes on strike tomorrow, would anyone even know ?

How do you meet something head-on by doing nothing

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