Croke Park II preliminary Talks started today

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Do people really know how much the PS do in this country, The wage bill has decreased by approx 3 billion in the past 4 years and still people pontificate about the allowances and golden fcuking pensions.

Someone who has worked 40 years in the PS gets on average 400e per week as a pension, now I can hear the same old sh1te from the same old bunch about being a great pension, and yes it is ok, but for that they will have paid contributions for 40 years for that same pension.........

Now here comes the part most people choose to ignore, yes I said ''choose'' simply because if it does not fit the agenda of some people they ''choose'' to ignore it

The same person who worked for 40 years will be means tested for the state pension, this same pension is paid to someone who would never have worked a day in their life, yet someone who pays taxes all their life will only get approx 80e of this. So the real value of their golden pension is really 400 less the 146e they lose in state pension = 256e. interesting eh.............

Vizzy

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Do people really know how much the PS do in this country, The wage bill has decreased by approx 3 billion in the past 4 years and still people pontificate about the allowances and golden fcuking pensions.

Someone who has worked 40 years in the PS gets on average 400e per week as a pension, now I can hear the same old sh1te from the same old bunch about being a great pension, and yes it is ok, but for that they will have paid contributions for 40 years for that same pension.........

Now here comes the part most people choose to ignore, yes I said ''choose'' simply because if it does not fit the agenda of some people they ''choose'' to ignore it

The same person who worked for 40 years will be means tested for the state pension, this same pension is paid to someone who would never have worked a day in their life, yet someone who pays taxes all their life will only get approx 80e of this. So the real value of their golden pension is really 400 less the 146e they lose in state pension = 256e. interesting eh.............

Interesting maybe,but it doesn't suit me so I will ignore it

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

Maybe the average PS worker should give the private sector a go, see how long they'll last before reality cruelly bites.

They might be entitled to say the same thing.
I wonder how many are cut out for the prison service, garda or nursing. I wouldn't do it for one.
The grass is always greener on the other side.

Silvio.Dante

Rightwing wrote: »

Maybe the average PS worker should give the private sector a go, see how long they'll last before reality cruelly bites.

Real mature...:rolleyes:

earlyevening

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Now here comes the part most people choose to ignore, yes I said ''choose'' simply because if it does not fit the agenda of some people they ''choose'' to ignore it

The same person who worked for 40 years will be means tested for the state pension, this same pension is paid to someone who would never have worked a day in their life, yet someone who pays taxes all their life will only get approx 80e of this. So the real value of their golden pension is really 400 less the 146e they lose in state pension = 256e. interesting eh.............

Probably should ignore it because it's not factually correct.
The contributory OAP received by somebody who paid PRSI is not means tested.
The non contributory OAPension IS means tested. That might be received by somebody who never worked or some farmers etc

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earlyevening wrote: »

Probably should ignore it because it's not factually correct.
The contributory OAP received by somebody who paid PRSI is not means tested.
The non contributory OAPension IS means tested. That might be received by somebody who never worked or some farmers etc

Ah but you see public servants pay a reduced PRSI, So in fact are not due the full contributory pension...........

But as always with people of a certain agenda, don't let FACTS stand in you're way.

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

They might be entitled to say the same thing.
I wonder how many are cut out for the prison service, garda or nursing. I wouldn't do it for one.
The grass is always greener on the other side.

I believe public sectors workers should be paid fairly, but I can't see the need for about 15 council workers digging up footpaths that don't need to dug up. That's the type of waste that needs to be hit.

Good loser

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Ah but you see public servants pay a reduced PRSI, So in fact are not due the full contributory pension...........

But as always with people of a certain agenda, don't let FACTS stand in you're way.

Hey, hold on there. This increases the benefit of working in the public service - over your earlier statement. Plus you were wrong about the non contributary pension - as it's means tested. Why not acknowledge that?

kippy

Good loser wrote: »

Hey, hold on there. This increases the benefit of working in the public service - over your earlier statement. Plus you were wrong about the non contributary pension - as it's means tested. Why not acknowledge that?

Pre 1995 only.

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Rightwing wrote: »

I believe public sectors workers should be paid fairly, but I can't see the need for about 15 council workers digging up footpaths that don't need to dug up. That's the type of waste that needs to be hit.

You my friend are better off going back to the 80s with that type of trash talk.

Rightwing

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You my friend are better off going back to the 80s with that type of trash talk.

Hopefully the IMF & troika will also go back to the 80's and impose austerity on where it's needed. We can't be borrowing for councils to be squandering hundreds of millions on footpaths etc

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

Hopefully the IMF & troika will also go back to the 80's and impose austerity on where it's needed. We can't be borrowing for councils to be squandering hundreds of millions on footpaths etc

You continually change the direction of your attacks.
Now it's the council workers who are the target of your attention.
I am beginning to think you are not a serious poster.

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Rightwing wrote: »

Hopefully the IMF & troika will also go back to the 80's and impose austerity on where it's needed. We can't be borrowing for councils to be squandering hundreds of millions on footpaths etc[/

And I hope you suffer savage pay cuts in whatever job you happen to do........

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Rightwing wrote: »

Hopefully the IMF & troika will also go back to the 80's and impose austerity on where it's needed. We can't be borrowing for councils to be squandering hundreds of millions on footpaths etc

Oh, and you need to get an adult to supervise you're access to the internet.

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

You continually change the direction of your attacks.
Now it's the council workers who are the target of your attention.
I am beginning to think you are not a serious poster.

I'm not attacking anyone, simply highlighting the inefficiencies in the PS and showing that the likes of the gardai aren't as deprived as they would have us believe.

Rightwing

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Rightwing wrote: »

Hopefully the IMF & troika will also go back to the 80's and impose austerity on where it's needed. We can't be borrowing for councils to be squandering hundreds of millions on footpaths etc[/

And I hope you suffer savage pay cuts in whatever job you happen to do........

If my company was losing money hand over fist I'd expect to take big pay cuts, that's the way it works. Welcome to the real world public sector.

Gumbo

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Ah but you see public servants pay a reduced PRSI, So in fact are not due the full contributory pension...........

But as always with people of a certain agenda, don't let FACTS stand in you're way.

I pay full PRSI in my PS job. Pre 1995 staff don't I believe.

Geuze

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Ah but you see public servants pay a reduced PRSI, So in fact are not due the full contributory pension...........

But as always with people of a certain agenda, don't let FACTS stand in you're way.

PS workers hired pre April 1995 pay PRSI class D and are not entitled to a State Pension.

PS workers hired after April 95 pay full PRSI class A and are entitled to a State Pension.

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

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If my company was losing money hand over fist I'd expect to take big pay cuts, that's the way it works. Welcome to the real world public sector.

The Public Sector is not a company.
Could you point out a country where the Public Sector actually makes money please?

Plus you have not been proving anything you have just been taking cheap and wild shots at Public Sector workers.

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

Rightwing wrote: »

The Public Sector is not a company.
Could you point out a country where the Public Sector actually makes money please?

Plus you have not been proving anything you have just been taking cheap and wild shots at Public Sector workers.

Normally when a country is bankrupt like we are, PS workers can expect cuts. What part of this do they not understand? Money isn't there to be paying them the highest wages in Europe. That's the reality. No point blaming the government. They are bust. I'm not saying I'm happy with it, it's just the way it is.

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

Normally when a country is bankrupt like we are, PS workers can expect cuts. What part of this do they not understand? Money isn't there to be paying them the highest wages in Europe. That's the reality. No point blaming the government. They are bust. I'm not saying I'm happy with it, it's just the way it is.

Yes indeed but that is not the point you have been making all along. You have been telling them that they are poor workers, lazy etc.

Rightwing

I never said they are poor workers, nor did I say they are lazy workers.

There are many lazy workers in the PS, and many good workers there. Same applies to the private sector.

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

I never said they are poor workers, nor did I say they are lazy workers.

There are many lazy workers in the PS, and many good workers there. Same applies to the private sector.

So should the good worker be punished for the failings of the lazy worker?

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

So should the good worker be punished for the failings of the lazy worker?

They should be sacked, but alas the unions would hold the country to ransom.

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

They should be sacked, but alas the unions would hold the country to ransom.

I was never in a Union where I worked in Ireland but I wish I had been. It took the Unions to get the rights that workers now enjoy but you are probably too young to remember those days.
I was in the ASLEF Union for London Transport for a few years while working there. The workers would have had little or no rights if it wasn't for the Union.
Be careful of what you wish for.

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

I was never in a Union where I worked in Ireland but I wish I had been. It took the Unions to get the rights that workers now enjoy but you are probably too young to remember those days.
I was in the ASLEF Union for London Transport for a few years while working there. The workers would have had little or no rights if it wasn't for the Union.
Be careful of what you wish for.

So it's fine that the unions will allow lazy workers

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

So it's fine that the unions will allow lazy workers

No it's not but they prevent people being victimised or blamed in the wrong.
Even a lazy worker has rights when it comes to the bit. Even criminals have rights. When people can just blame and sack nobody is safe.

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

No it's not but they prevent people being victimised or blamed in the wrong.
Even a lazy worker has rights when it comes to the bit. Even criminals have rights. When people can just blame and sack nobody is safe.

We'll just conviently forget that the unions themselves are also on the gravy train, like the poor IMO chap who only got €9m in entitlements, he had to relinquish about €10m

tayto lover

Rightwing wrote: »

We'll just conviently forget that the unions themselves are also on the gravy train, like the poor IMO chap who only got €9m in entitlements, he had to relinquish about €10m

Didn't the Bankers and Regulator get similar treatment for ruining the country?
Aren't we paying their huge lump sums and pensions.
I would rather target the guilty than the poor council worker for cuts any day.

Rightwing

tayto lover wrote: »

Didn't the Bankers and Regulator get similar treatment for ruining the country?
Aren't we paying their huge lump sums and pensions.
I would rather target the guilty than the poor council worker for cuts any day.

So that makes it ok just because the bankers and regulators ruined the country