Tad right wing, but what do you think?

17-02-2013 09:14PM

Nothing gets me more than the "nothing to hide" argument
Christ

Nodin · 17-02-2013 09:15PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Didn't King Herod try to do that?
Every birth had to be registered already here.

...I think that was the 'belly stab' test.

mattjack · 17-02-2013 09:15PM

I'd be in favour of doing what they did in that film Logans Run.

Seachmall · 17-02-2013 09:17PM

twinQuins wrote: »

News to me. Right-wingers may favour lax government involvement in economics but I've never met one that's for less control in people's private lives, quite the opposite.

That's primarily because its a position that has widely been diluted with (Christian) Conservatism (e.g. on topics such as drugs and abortion).

Edit - Nope, ignore this.

Pottler · 17-02-2013 09:19PM

But what about if we want to commit crime? This could be a severe impediment. Personally, bank-robber is my plan B. Your idea would feck that right up, now, wouldn't it.

monkeypants · 17-02-2013 09:19PM

Seachmall wrote: »

The right wing position is strictly libertarian with minimal government involvement and control.

Adolf was a libertarian?

woodoo · 17-02-2013 09:21PM

Chemical Burn wrote: »

All people ENTERING Ireland, even as tourists. Crime does not discriminate between tourists and permanent residents.

I'm not sure it would be practical to ask tourists to give a sample and then have it analysed. But anyone looking to work here or looking for a PPSN should have it done and have to pay for it themselves.

Seachmall · 17-02-2013 09:23PM

monkeypants wrote: »

Adolf was a libertarian?

Ignore everything I've said.

Although he was socialist (left wing), albeit Nationalist (right wing).

Sh1tbag OToole · 17-02-2013 09:24PM

I am not in favour of Big Brother / 1984 style government initiatives or further encroachment of privacy of any kind. Using muslims or paedophiles or "scum" as an excuse does not make it alright. Yes there is a bit of crime around but I don't sit inside with the doors locked quaking in my boots over muslim women hiding stolen goods beneath their veil or other Daily Mail scaremongering to the extend that I want to give up more freedom to the government

Chemical Burn · 17-02-2013 09:24PM

woodoo wrote: »

I'm not sure it would be practical to ask tourists to give a sample and then have it analysed. But anyone looking to work here or looking for a PPSN should have it done and have to pay for it themselves.

Just fingerprinting, like when entering USA.

catallus · 17-02-2013 09:25PM

Maybe we should just concentrate on the people who come to the attention of the police? If a person is convicted of a serious crime perhaps there could be an argument for a permanent record of their unique samples to be kept?

twinQuins · 17-02-2013 09:26PM

Oh , you're one of those people... Hitler was a fascist, fascism is a far right ideology.

Simply because the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in their name no more makes them socilaists then me calling myself a stone makes that true.

Seachmall · 17-02-2013 09:30PM

twinQuins wrote: »

Oh , you're one of those people... Hitler was a fascist, fascism is a far right ideology.

Simply because the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in their name no more makes them socilaists then me calling myself a stone makes that true.

Well Hitler did repeatedly state socialism to be the preferred economic system.

Whether he applied that belief is a different matter, but he did consider the Nazi part to be socialist (presumably because he wasn't a fan of capitalism).

Chemical Burn · 17-02-2013 09:31PM

twinQuins wrote: »

Oh , you're one of those people... Hitler was a fascist, fascism is a far right ideology.

Simply because the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in their name no more makes them socilaists then me calling myself a stone makes that true.

This.

"Democratic" Republic of Congo

"Democratic" Republic of Korea

Deutsche "Demokratische" Republik (DDR), ie, former East Germany

CollardGreens · 17-02-2013 09:32PM

:eek: The're com'en for our guns Billy Earl!!!! Run for your life.......

coolhull · 17-02-2013 10:05PM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

I am not in favour of Big Brother / 1984 style government initiatives or further encroachment of privacy of any kind. Using muslims or paedophiles or "scum" as an excuse does not make it alright. Yes there is a bit of crime around but I don't sit inside with the doors locked quaking in my boots over muslim women hiding stolen goods beneath their veil or other Daily Mail scaremongering to the extend that I want to give up more freedom to the government

Bit if a generalisation, lumping them together, don't you think/

Sh1tbag OToole · 17-02-2013 10:13PM

coolhull wrote: »

Bit if a generalisation, lumping them together, don't you think/

Those are just some of the common boogeymen trotted out to make people give up their civil liberties.

Chemical Burn wrote: »

This.

"Democratic" Republic of Congo

"Democratic" Republic of Korea

Deutsche "Demokratische" Republik (DDR), ie, former East Germany

Democratic People's republic of Korea
People's Republic of China (The P should really be Party's)

Real people's democracies don't feel the need to put that kind of thing in their name.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 17-02-2013 10:13PM

socialism = good
hitler = bad

therefore hitler could not have been a socialist

it's pretty ****ing simple in fairness

catallus · 17-02-2013 10:15PM

I think the actual word "socialist" had different connotations pre-WWII, it developed a different meaning in the 50's USA when it became conflated with the idea of Communism by the anti-communists for whatever reasons. Just because the Nazis had it in the name of their party should be seen from that perspective; anyway the Nazis usually styled themselves more on what they were against; They were against Bolshevism and Jews, and they designed themselves around that, aswell as Mussolini's fascists.

Anyway, the more I think about it the more I think we should allow a permanent database of convicted criminals.

hames · 17-02-2013 10:19PM

It's better to try and think of left and right as moving around a sphere symbolising our political paradigm.

If you go far enough on the left, you'll bump into the right.
If you go far enough on the right, you'll bump into the left.

If you're on the posterior surface of the sphere you're probably on the loony scale, with ideas that belong both on the right and left.
If you're on the anterior surface of the sphere, your ideas can be more plainly deciphered as 'right' or 'left' relative to the starting point.

twinQuins · 17-02-2013 10:23PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

socialism = good
hitler = bad

therefore hitler could not have been a socialist

it's pretty ****ing simple in fairness

What's with the push in recent years to either say Hitler was a socialist or that fascism is left-wing?
I've never seen a historical analysis of the era that says anything of the sort; seems to be historical revisionism by those with an obvious agenda.

3ndahalfof6 · 17-02-2013 10:23PM

The PRICK test should be done before the child is conceived.

kingsenny · 17-02-2013 10:31PM

Have you been brainwashed by some new cult? Your ideas are completely warped and a tad racist

Prodigious · 17-02-2013 10:33PM

hames wrote: »

For example, if this surveillance were around in somewhere like Iran (or 1950s Ireland), would it have been used to prosecute two men engaging in consensual sex? If it had been used in such an invasive way, would gay rights ever have been established?

Exactly!

Mr. CooL ICE · 17-02-2013 10:37PM

If you could implement this in a way that it could never, ever be exploited any use other than crime prevention, then you might be on to something. But best of luck figuring out a way of doing that

666irishguy · 17-02-2013 10:40PM

I don't see the big deal. Mobile phones, internet etc can already tell them where you are or were with a bit of digging. Having DNA on file for everybody might not be such a bad thing. People always bring the most extreme point of view against such things. Shows how little faith we have in our country to uphold democracy.

3ndahalfof6 · 17-02-2013 10:44PM

Enternoww wrote: »

Hard to tell really.

I agree, but I do hope he will understand sometime, and relate it to his siblings.

Cool Mo D · 17-02-2013 10:52PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

The DNA would help with crimes etc, and if there comes a time that it's cheap and easy to screen blood for genetic illnesses and allergies etc, then having a database would be dead handy.

Having a DNA database of the whole country to solve crimes would end up either being useless, or putting a whole load of innocent people in jail. DNA testing is not 100% accurate, and if you start running fishing expeditions of testing DNA samples against 4.6 million people at a time, you'll get loads of false positive matches every time.

DNA evidence is only suitable to pick the guilty party from a short list of suspects who have evidence to place them near a crime scene.

catallus · 17-02-2013 10:56PM

Cool Mo D wrote: »

Having a DNA database of the whole country to solve crimes would end up either being useless, or putting a whole load of innocent people in jail. DNA testing is not 100% accurate, and if you start running fishing expeditions of testing DNA samples against 4.6 million people at a time, you'll get loads of false positive matches every time.

DNA evidence is only suitable to pick the guilty party from a short list of suspects who have evidence to place them near a crime scene.

Sounds like it could be potentially very useful. It obviously couldn't be used as the only form of evidence. It wouldn't be much good in the vast majority of rape cases either, most rapists are known to the victim. But for the minority of instances where the attacker was unknown then it also could be a useful tool, even just to link separate attacks.

CollardGreens · 17-02-2013 10:59PM

Having a DNA database of the whole country to solve crimes would end up either being useless, or putting a whole load of innocent people in jail. DNA testing is not 100% accurate, and if you start running fishing expeditions of testing DNA samples against 4.6 million people at a time, you'll get loads of false positive matches every time.

So no more Dr. Phil shows whar we find out who the Baby Deddy is?

Tad right wing, but what do you think?

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