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Farming Chit Chat

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  • #9242
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭mf240


    Get rid of it alltogether. Let the market dictate the price and let those of us who can hack it rise to the top.

    Let the complainers and whingers either up their game or fall back on the social welfare system and not be sitting on land that should be farmed.

    Let the pen pushers in the department be redeployed to build the reputation of this island and scrutinise every morsel that is imported.


  • #9243
    Juniorhurler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    mf240 wrote: »
    Get rid of it alltogether. Let the market dictate the price and let those of us who can hack it rise to the top.

    Let the complainers and whingers either up their game or fall back on the social welfare system and not be sitting on land that should be farmed.

    Let the pen pushers in the department be redeployed to build the reputation of this island and scrutinise every morsel that is imported.

    I agree with this to a degree. If food was sold at a fair price this would be the best option. I don't see this happening though so distributing it fairly to active farmers would be a good start. Also 10 years without reform is way too long. It should be re-assessed every 3-4 years.


  • #9244
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    I'd say if the SFP was done away with a hell of alot more land would showup for rent around me! I'm finding it harder to buy the whole SFP providing cheap food aspect anymore 2BH, food proportionally makes up considerably less of your disposable income these days anyways, obesity is an ever increasing problem, fueled by cheap unhealthy foods, and this whole horse meat fiasco has shown that cheap highly processed food (like mince/burgers that you don't know whats in) are going to be a total lottery, and at the end of the day the consumer needs to wise up and accept that they need to pay more for food. Food waste has also been shown to be a big big problem these days, in terms of what the consumer buys and then throws away, again fueled by the cheap food, the low value means they are less concerned about wastage.

    But I suppose I'm totally bias considering I'm a food provider in this case!


  • #9245
    bob charles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭bob charles


    As I always said I would love to see SFP gone, but my business would also be gone with it even though I dont claim SFP, beef farming would be finished over night as its such a subsidized system as it currently stands. beef would have to be near €6 to make it pay for everyone in the line


  • #9246
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    bob charles wrote: »
    As I always said I would love to see SFP gone, but my business would also be gone with it even though I dont claim SFP, beef farming would be finished over night as its such a subsidized system as it currently stands. beef would have to be near €6 to make it pay for everyone in the line
    Interesting times ahead alright, many of the farmers lobbying for the flat rate haven't taken into consideration that the winter finishers will not be in the same position financially to give the prices that they're giving now, also they won't be pushing the exporters to pay what they're paying at the moment.
    Probably be less farmers in Farm Assist when the extra SFP pushes them over the threshold, govt will like that,
    When all the un claimed land is taken into account, we won't be getting the colour of €270/ha.
    At harkins meeting in Athlone, one of the guys spouting was my age....I just thought to myself 'what the **** was he doing in the nineties that he's looking for decent SFP.......hadn't he the same chance as I had. All the rubbish farmers mightn't be in the 2000


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  • #9247
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    my seven year old watching a tesco add on telly tonite turned to his mom and said"dont buy anything in tesco-they sell horses in their burgers":D


  • #9248
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Have a f*&ker of a heifer at the minute that is almost impossible to milk! She calved a week or so early, has tiny teats so the clusters wont stay on her, and she kicks non stop, so between the two of theses its taken me 10mins or so last few days to milk anything from her! Kicking bar isn't ideal at all with her, she wasn't too bad with it yesterday, but went mental this morning with it on and went down in the parlour, I had some job taking off the bar then as she couldnt getup with it on. Used a rope around the outside leg across the rump bar then, helped abit but she still kicks like crazy with the other leg. Driving me fecking mental, worst heifer I've had in a long time for poor temperament! Any other suggestions to help keep her calm!
    Vice grip high and tight on tail if not burgers you will miss a start or another problem looking after her. The thoughts of milking her will eventually put you off milking, seriously vice grip let me know how it goes


  • #9249
    Manoffeeling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Manoffeeling


    Juniorhurler wrote: »
    Nobody wants the likes of you to give up your sfp delaval. You earn it by working. It is the ones who earned it ten years ago and do nothing but submit maps now are the problem.

    That could be you when you hit 50 and the chaps all gone, and you sick to the hole of lambing ewes with that German virus thing or maybe you bought a hard calving bull and can't face anymore, or maybe bad sowing and harvest conditions. Yeah maybe when you get enough hardship you might say to yourself, "I'll have more out of it if I lodge the maps and spend nothing".

    No point in being a busy fool.


  • #9250
    farmerjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭farmerjack


    delaval wrote: »
    Vice grip high and tight on tail if not burgers you will miss a start or another problem looking after her. The thoughts of milking her will eventually put you off milking, seriously vice grip let me know how it goes

    +1 on the vice grips only job, clamp it on leave her for a minute and then attach the cluster, it's saving me a lot of hassle this year.


  • #9251
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Manoffeeling wrote: »
    That could be you when you hit 50 and the chaps all gone, and you sick to the hole of lambing ewes with that German virus thing or maybe you bought a hard calving bull and can't face anymore, or maybe bad sowing and harvest conditions. Yeah maybe when you get enough hardship you might say to yourself, "I'll have more out of it if I lodge the maps and spend nothing".

    No point in being a busy fool.
    You have a good point there , its hard to blame anyone that has a good sfp for not wanting to give it up when they worked to get it in the first place .
    Its also hard to blame new comers to farming , that want the old system taken apart and give them a fair chance at making a go of it themselves .
    Two different people trying to look out for themselves , it wont be an easy fix to keep everyone happy no matter what we are given .


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  • #9252
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    farmerjack wrote: »
    +1 on the vice grips only job, clamp it on leave her for a minute and then attach the cluster, it's saving me a lot of hassle this year.
    think i might try that, had a total fooker in this morning, tightened up the row, she was kicking with her two feet, no one around to hold her tail, didnt help that the cow behind her is a lunatic-very nervous- either


  • #9253
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭mf240


    We had a heifer like that two years ago. She was suprisingly tasty.


  • #9254
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭mf240


    Manoffeeling wrote: »
    That could be you when you hit 50 and the chaps all gone, and you sick to the hole of lambing ewes with that German virus thing or maybe you bought a hard calving bull and can't face anymore, or maybe bad sowing and harvest conditions. Yeah maybe when you get enough hardship you might say to yourself, "I'll have more out of it if I lodge the maps and spend nothing".

    No point in being a busy fool.

    I can see your point but take any other business model, say a small hardware shop in a local town. The owner has worked hard all his life and wants to retire, now he can sell it, lease it or give it to a son or daughter.
    If he was able to fill in a form that meant he could recieve an income because he worked hard 20 years ago he could just leave the shop there as a hobby and open for a couple of hours a day.
    This would mean that new blood would be kept out and the shop would be unproductive(ring any bells?)


  • #9255
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    mf240 wrote: »
    I can see your point but take any other business model, say a small hardware shop in a local town. The owner has worked hard all his life and wants to retire, now he can sell it, lease it or give it to a son or daughter.
    If he was able to fill in a form that meant he could recieve an income because he worked hard 20 years ago he could just leave the shop there as a hobby and open for a couple of hours a day.
    This would mean that new blood would be kept out and the shop would be unproductive(ring any bells?)
    I don't think scrapping the SFP or leveling it is going to be the magic wand that you think its going to be, is there many farms capable of being taken over from a 55yr old by a thirty something and the owner been given €25000/yr that he needs to live and when he gets to 66, himself and the missus can get €20000/yr pension and can amuse himself on his farm without pressure.....just giving an older persons point of view


  • #9256
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    lovely day here, hope i dont shoot myself in the foot by saying spring is here


  • #9257
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    mf240 wrote: »
    I can see your point but take any other business model, say a small hardware shop in a local town. The owner has worked hard all his life and wants to retire, now he can sell it, lease it or give it to a son or daughter.
    If he was able to fill in a form that meant he could recieve an income because he worked hard 20 years ago he could just leave the shop there as a hobby and open for a couple of hours a day.
    This would mean that new blood would be kept out and the shop would be unproductive(ring any bells?)

    There's a lot assumptions, presumptions and if's in that post. TBH if someone can outline a coupled payment system to me that doesn't lead to inflated land and cattle prices as guys are chasing either or both in order to meet some sort of coupled quota requirement so's that they can draw their full SFP I'd probably support it. But having been through it before where a bullocks premium status was far more important than his grading potential and where tillage guys were paying stupid money for land that wasn't good enough for set-a-side I'm in no rush back to it. The current system is a bit like democracy it's absolutely the worst possible system apart from all of the other models that were tried.

    I guarantee you that within 18 months of a coupled system being introduced, certainly after the second application date for SFP has passed, guys will be still bitching about armchair farmers, the bastards, rooking active farmers with extortinate rents and they'll be after resurecting another insult, that of chequebook farmers aimed mainly at larger dairy farmers who keep insisting on pay these rates for ground for cattle because they can "afford" it due to all of the cash they are making at dairying.

    BTW I understand younger guys frustration, I've been there and remember well the feeling that the whole system was stacked against me. I'm not yet forty (just) so I'm not really talking about oul gods time either. If there's going to be change it eeds to be a biy better thought out than some flat rate coupled accident looking for someplace to happen.


  • #9258
    1chippy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭1chippy


    whelan1 wrote: »
    lovely day here, hope i dont shoot myself in the foot by saying spring is here
    I said that too this morning until i had to load 12 bullocks into a trailer to put onto some fresh ground.After an hour of chasing and shouting we got them moved. Then got a bull caught in a gate and of course had the car so no tools and finally found a hacksaw to cut a bar out so just in and the better half had a good feed for me so only starting to calm down a bit.


  • #9259
    td5man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭td5man


    whelan1 wrote: »
    lovely day here, hope i dont shoot myself in the foot by saying spring is here
    No comment :D


  • #9260
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    was looking at the farming weather there, its looking good:D


  • #9261
    td5man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭td5man


    whelan1 wrote: »
    was looking at the farming weather there, its looking good:D
    :rolleyes: :cool:


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  • #9262
    whitebriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    whelan1 wrote: »
    was looking at the farming weather there, its looking good:D
    Certainly great drying in the next 7 days with a strong very cold ese wind.
    No growth though with harsh night frosts inland especially from midweek onwards and daytime temps in the East and midlands only about 5c at best by then.
    Soil temps will take a severe knocking.


  • #9263
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    whitebriar wrote: »
    Certainly great drying in the next 7 days with a strong very cold ese wind.
    No growth though with harsh night frosts inland especially from midweek onwards and daytime temps in the East and midlands only about 5c at best by then.
    Soil temps will take a severe knocking.
    badly needed here to dry out the land a bit


  • #9264
    Manoffeeling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Manoffeeling


    Great deheydrating conditions around here. It would dry the dung in a dog as a fella says.


  • #9265
    Chiliroses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭Chiliroses


    It will be great to get some dry weather for a change, this rain is tough on sheep!


  • #9266
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    Chiliroses wrote: »
    It will be great to get some dry weather for a change, this rain is tough on sheep!

    Feck the sheep, it's tough on me !


  • #9267
    Richk2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Richk2012


    Noticed 2 cows this week back in heat after being inseminated 12 days and 8 days beforehand .

    One of these has came bulling 3 times in the last month . Just back from the yard and i see her standing again .
    They were proper strong standing heats each and every time.

    Il contact the vet in the morning .

    Any advice expierence .???? Would cysts on the ovaries cause irregular cycling?
    Was thinking Receptal after i inseminate her???


  • #9268
    Juniorhurler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    Just been out on the John Deere there mowing a strong paddock. I.e. cut the lawn with the ride on. Never marked the ground.


  • #9269
    Chiliroses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭Chiliroses


    bbam wrote: »
    Feck the sheep, it's tough on me !
    ah but you'd feel sorry for them in their sodden woolly coats :)


  • #9270
    whitebriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    whelan1 wrote: »
    badly needed here to dry out the land a bit
    Who are you telling!
    I record rain on my part of the east coast and it's at 220.6mm since january 1 :eek: That's almost 9 inches and over a quarter of what I'd expect here in a full normal year.


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  • #9271
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    At least we can stop standing the cows off. Both them and ourselves sick of it. Went to see maiden heifers today all looking well and ground surprisingly good despite all rain, was on the verge of housing them. Calving hectic at the moment so dry few days a bonus will worry about growth later


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