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Croke Park II preliminary Talks started today

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    #1412
    Rightwing
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    We need a little shift to the right in this country.

    all the noise about children's allowance. welfare rates, all this would be good if we could afford it.

    How about getting primary principal teachers doing some work? the bill for substitutes runs into tens of millions every year, now surely a principal could sit in the class for the odd day.
    Cut overtime for all public sector, cut the councils, they must be the biggest drain on resources in the whole set up.


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    #1413
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rightwing wrote: »
    We need a little shift to the right in this country.

    all the noise about children's allowance. welfare rates, all this would be good if we could afford it.

    How about getting primary principal teachers doing some work? the bill for substitutes runs into tens of millions every year, now surely a principal could sit in the class for the odd day.
    Cut overtime for all public sector, cut the councils, they must be the biggest drain on resources in the whole set up.

    Yes and close Garda Stations, Hospitals and ... oops I was beaten to it it seems.


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    #1414
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Yes and close Garda Stations, Hospitals and ... oops I was beaten to it it seems.

    closing garda stations is a complete no brainer. get these guys out working. sitting down having a few coffees while the criminals are wreaking havoc around the country. the most overpaid garda force and they've nothing to show for it, apart from allowances for boots etc


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    #1415
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rightwing wrote: »
    closing garda stations is a complete no brainer. get these guys out working. sitting down having a few coffees while the criminals are wreaking havoc around the country. the most overpaid garda force and they've nothing to show for it, apart from allowances for boots etc

    If you think that will work you need your head examined.
    Maybe you could manage to convince many of the old people who live here in North Louth and who used to be visited regularly by their garda and got great peace of mind from it.
    They are now boarding themselves in at night now.

    You seem to have a very bad view of the garda and it reeks of spite. Any time I needed them they were there and very good in dealing with my problem as were the nurses in the now almost defunct Louth County Hospital.


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    #1416
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    If you think that will work you need your head examined.
    Maybe you could manage to convince many of the old people who live here in North Louth and who used to be visited regularly by their garda and got great peace of mind from it.
    They are now boarding themselves in at night now.

    You seem to have a very bad view of the garda and it reeks of spite. Any time I needed them they were there and very good in dealing with my problem as were the nurses in the now almost defunct Louth County Hospital.

    I have a very bad view of people trying to scare the oldies around the country. gardai in this country are very well looked after. we don't need police stations every 4 miles. that was fine in the 1920's. most people have moved on since then, including the criminals, time for the gardai to move too,


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    #1417
    tayto lover
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I have a very bad view of people trying to scare the oldies around the country. gardai in this country are very well looked after. we don't need police stations every 4 miles. that was fine in the 1920's. most people have moved on since then, including the criminals, time for the gardai to move too,

    Yes indeed. We should moved everyone into the towns and cities :D


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    #1418
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Yes indeed. We should moved everyone into the towns and cities :D

    if they felt safer they can move themselves, the state shouldnt be expected to do everything for people. thats the big problem in this country.


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    #1419
    tayto lover
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    if they felt safer they can move themselves, the state shouldnt be expected to do everything for people. thats the big problem in this country.

    Well they do enough for their crony banker and developer friends.
    The people are entitled to the services they pay for. Why pay if they don't get them?


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    #1420
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well they do enough for their crony banker and developer friends.
    The people are entitled to the services they pay for. Why pay if they don't get them?

    you are going off on a wild tangent. the facts are , smaller government, smaller services, we should be looking for a lean government with most things privatised.


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    #1421
    rolliepoley
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    There is one thing i would like to see is a big sweep up in DCC especially in marrowbone lane another example of wasted money they do nothing in there all you have to do is look at the dirt on the streets to figure this out.


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    #1422
    tayto lover
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    you are going off on a wild tangent. the facts are , smaller government, smaller services, we should be looking for a lean government with most things privatised.

    Oh is that right, a tangent ? Was it not you who mentioned coffee and garda shoes?
    When did they close the Seanad as I seem to have missed them carrying out that ?


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    #1423
    Vizzy
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    you are going off on a wild tangent. the facts are , smaller government, smaller services, we should be looking for a lean government with most things privatised.

    Oh that will work alright.
    Remind me again how much extra people are payng for refuse charges since it was effectively privatised ?


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    #1424
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Oh is that right, a tangent ? Was it not you who mentioned coffee and garda shoes?
    When did they close the Seanad as I seem to have missed them carrying out that ?

    :confused: what are you talking about ?


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    #1425
    Rightwing
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    Vizzy wrote: »
    Oh that will work alright.
    Remind me again how much extra people are payng for refuse charges since it was effectively privatised ?

    this is an example of what i'm saying, we are paying for more and getting less. time to scrap the councils. they are wasting humdreds of millions.


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    #1426
    tayto lover
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    :confused: what are you talking about ?

    Read you're posts.


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    #1427
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Read you're posts.

    'your' posts.

    i hope this current government get tough with the unions, unlike the last FF one that has bankrupted the country.


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    #1428
    tayto lover
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    'your' posts.

    i hope this current government get tough with the unions, unlike the last FF one that has bankrupted the country.

    I hope the entire Public Sector go on strike and I am a Private Sector worker. Too much corruption in politics.


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    #1429
    Rightwing
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I hope the entire Public Sector go on strike and I am a Private Sector worker. Too much corruption in politics.

    I fully agree with that. A strike would be no harm at all. As for the corruption, the worst part is the vast majority walk away scott free


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    #1430
    Silvio.Dante
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    oscar2 wrote: »
    What's your definition of low paid. I work with people who earn less than 30,000 p.a including shift allowances. Also what overtime bonanza?

    Next year they'll come for your pay so a little bit of solidarity might be in your self interest.


    I received 28K Gross last year as my P60 can confirm and no one hour of OT, milleage or subsistance allowances.

    You dare talk about union solidarity to a member of the CPSU? Thats rich when PSEU and ACHPS members walked passed us two years when we were at the gates with plackards in hand. Then we voted against CP I but the 'collective' of ICTU ignored our mandate and forced us to accept.

    We've had enough of pandering to the bearded cabal. They don't give a stuff for Clerical staff in the CS.

    So we must look after our own self interests. If we get a deal wth a couple of hours extra a week with no effect on increments we'd be mad not to bite the hand off Howlin...


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    #1431
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    'your' posts.

    i hope this current government get tough with the unions, unlike the last FF one that has bankrupted the country.

    Yeah and I hope pigs will fly....

    The government know they cannot ask anymore of the average PS worker, that is why we are hearing the top earners will have to cowboy up, and maybe some allowances being trimmed.

    So in closing all the nasty little people who would gladly see a worker who earns 500 a week take a pay cut will be disappointed...


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    #1432
    sarumite
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    Vizzy wrote: »
    Oh that will work alright.
    Remind me again how much extra people are payng for refuse charges since it was effectively privatised ?

    There could be an argument to make that some people are paying 'extra' because in the past their refuse collection was subsidised via taxation?


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    #1433
    sarumite
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I hope the entire Public Sector go on strike and I am a Private Sector worker. Too much corruption in politics.

    :confused: What does corruption in politics have to do with hoping the public sector go on strike.


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    #1434
    Silvio.Dante
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I hope the entire Public Sector go on strike and I am a Private Sector worker.

    I certainly don't. We, low paid clerical officers who never got a taste of the high life of the OT gravy train, can't afford to go on strike...


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    #1435
    Geuze
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    Further cuts to existing PS pensions need to be considered.


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    #1436
    Good loser
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    They should definitely get rid of flexi-time. Staff could run up 1 1/2 days off per month; that's eighteen days off per year - in addition to holidays.

    If they can work that up they should not object to extra hours per week.


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    #1437
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Good loser wrote: »
    They should definitely get rid of flexi-time. Staff could run up 1 1/2 days off per month; that's eighteen days off per year - in addition to holidays.

    If they can work that up they should not object to extra hours per week.


    Why not have both..? An extra 2 hours a week long with flexi...


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    #1438
    Gumbo
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    Good loser wrote: »
    They should definitely get rid of flexi-time. Staff could run up 1 1/2 days off per month; that's eighteen days off per year - in addition to holidays.

    If they can work that up they should not object to extra hours per week.

    I must of missed than in my contract. You can work up one day a month in my place and its in lieu of being paid OT. You get rid of that and people with be working their strict hours. Ie.its 5pm, I'm off now, bye. No room to stay an extra hour to get something finished etc


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    #1439
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    Good loser wrote: »
    They should definitely get rid of flexi-time. Staff could run up 1 1/2 days off per month; that's eighteen days off per year - in addition to holidays.

    Why? It wouldn't save money. The purpose of the exercise is to save money, so the government should concentrate on trying to get the unions to do things that will save money. Why would anyone be so silly as to waste time on irrelevant trivial things that won't help the government save money?




    Did I mention the need to save money? :rolleyes:


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    #1440
    Rightwing
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    not yet wrote: »
    Yeah and I hope pigs will fly....

    The government know they cannot ask anymore of the average PS worker, that is why we are hearing the top earners will have to cowboy up, and maybe some allowances being trimmed.

    So in closing all the nasty little people who would gladly see a worker who earns 500 a week take a pay cut will be disappointed...

    Maybe the average PS worker should give the private sector a go, see how long they'll last before reality cruelly bites.


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    #1441
    Rightwing
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    green_beret wrote: »
    ultimatley the PS will get a sweet deal by most peoples stadards, they are too important to all political parties to ignore

    i always find it amusing how much coverage anything involving the PS gets, from goverment negotiations to tales of people who claim to be struggling , apparently its worthy of 24-7 top of the hour news and endless media discussion, you dont see that across the water on bbc or sky

    Exactly, we have a pathetic media here. If the garda loses the boot allowance, it would be headlines. Panic the people, the poor garda won't be able to go on the beat.


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