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Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

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  • #152
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Tokenism is the problem surely?RTE get to tick a box saying that Christians were represented in that debate, thanks to David Quinn. Plenty of thoughtful people in the various denominations could discuss the issues without the hatchet job on statistics that Iona usually provide.



    Who do you want to be chosen as the token Christian..?


  • #153
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Sarky wrote: »
    So make it known that despicable arseholes like Quinn and Mullen don't represent you.


    I have no objection to either Ronán or David representing the Life position in media discussions...


  • #154
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Silvio, I think I speak for many here when I say that I eagerly await your appearance on Prime Time. Make it so...

    Well we all know RTE is infiltrated by Liberalista extremists. Surely one of you guys can make 'the call'...;)


  • #155
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    If it's felt by you and others that Christians need to distance themselves from him and the Iona Institute, they'd probably take that as a compliment. It hardly needs to be pointed out that Christians hold a diverse range of opinions on issues.

    You were just after complaining about people like them giving everyone the impression that they represented all Christians by getting all the limelight. Your response it to just let them do it? "Turn the other cheek" does not apply to all cases, you know.


  • #156
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Well we all know RTE is infiltrated by Liberalista extremists. Surely one of you guys can make 'the call'...;)

    Ah yes, curse those liberal extremists. They go around committing violent acts in the na.... Oh, wait, that's extreme conservatives.

    Is there such thing as an extreme liberal? :confused:


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  • #157
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Ah yes, curse those liberal extremists. They go around committing violent acts in the na.... Oh, wait, that's extreme conservatives.

    Is there such thing as an extreme liberal? :confused:

    "Use free speech or else!"


  • #158
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    "Use free speech or else!"

    'I am very disappointed that you are so intolerant but accept you have that right.'


  • #159
    pauldla
    Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Ah yes, curse those liberal extremists. They go around committing violent acts in the na.... Oh, wait, that's extreme conservatives.

    Is there such thing as an extreme liberal? :confused:

    Yes, there is. They are the ones who favour fanatical, uncompromising expressions of progressive social reform. Vermin, in other words. The world would be better off without them, along with tame ducks, dry water, and gentle Tory judges (to paraphrase Brendan Behan).


  • #160
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Sarky wrote: »

    You were just after complaining about people like them giving everyone the impression that they represented all Christians by getting all the limelight. Your response it to just let them do it? "Turn the other cheek" does not apply to all cases, you know.

    I'm not sure what exactly you expect people to do. It's a free society, and given the rapid change in views in such issues as same-sex marriage the Iona Institute are likely to continue to be in demand - on that issue, they represent a constituency in sharp decline. I don't have the resources to do anything other than contact the likes of RTE and Newstalk to suggest that when, for example, gay marriage is discussed it might be useful to ask a representative of Changing Attitudes Ireland to join the discussion. Aside from that,talking about it here or tweeting David Quinn to remind him that he's a bit of a prat is about all I can do. Most people don't have the resources to start a think-tank, or the media connections of David Quinn or John Waters.

    A degree of common sense is needed too. Conor Faughnan of the AA is never off the radio but most people don't assessment that he is representative of everyone who drives a car.


  • #161
    pauldla
    Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    A degree of common sense is needed too. Conor Faughnan of the AA is never off the radio but most people don't assessment that he is representative of everyone who drives a car.

    Benny, I must ask, is this a valid comparison?


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  • #162
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    pauldla wrote: »

    Benny, I must ask, is this a valid comparison?

    It was a bit tongue in cheek, but put it this way, there are certain number of talking heads that get called on to defend a particular interest group or viewpoint. The AA, IBEC, ISME... I'm not suggesting that Iona are in the same category but but it would seem to be common sense that a tiny NGO wouldn't be assumed to be the voice of Christians in Ireland. In fairness, most people here seem to accept that.


  • #163
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Anton Savage - representing for motorists since 2008. Respect.


  • #164
    micho
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭micho


    Galvasean wrote: »
    The closest one I saw was the recent on where they reported that 'over 90% of Irish Catholics believe in God' as if it were some kind of achievement.
    David Quinn was editor of The Irish Catholic for a number of years, he still writes an occassional column for them. With regard to The Iona institute, they constantly issue 'documents quoting social research to re-enforce their agennda, the only problem is that it is always selective and skewed. I don't have a link but I think it was sometime last year that Quinn wrote an article in The Irish Catholic quoting from discredited rersearch in the US, which purportes to link paedaphilia to homosexuality. Similarly research on the life chances and outcomes for children of never married parents is always mis- qouted to show negative outcomes.

    The agemda of this group headed by Quinn is clear, they want public policies, laws and civil society to reflect Roman Catholic social and moral teaching.


  • #165
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    micho wrote: »
    The agemda of this group headed by Quinn is clear, they want public policies, laws and civil society to reflect Roman Catholic social and moral teaching.
    And censorship too. Turns out that it's not censorship when you do it yourself.

    Did this news pass by? Quinn is threatening to sue TCD's student newspaper, The University Times:

    http://trinitynews.ie/university-times-threatened-with-legal-action-over-iona-institute-articles/

    Quinn announced that he felt "personally defamed". And that he objected to the description of his outfit as "discriminatory" -- I thought that was the point of the II?!

    More here:

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/02/07/the-iona-does-not-discriminate-everybody-clear/
    http://www.krank.ie/category/main/iona-institute-threatens-legal-action/


  • #166
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    If he wants to be personally defamed, perhaps we should get #PoisonousC.unt trending on Twitter. :rolleyes:


  • #167
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    robindch wrote: »
    And censorship too. Turns out that it's not censorship when you do it yourself.

    Did this news pass by? Quinn is threatening to sue TCD's student newspaper, The University Times:

    http://trinitynews.ie/university-times-threatened-with-legal-action-over-iona-institute-articles/

    The most interesting bit of that was the Institute
    ...has said that it would prefer to not have to take legal action.

    ..because they know that it would go nowhere, I'd imagine. Threatening to sue a student newspaper over something like this is spiteful and petty-minded.


  • #168
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Ah yes, curse those liberal extremists. They go around committing violent acts in the na.... Oh, wait, that's extreme conservatives.

    Is there such thing as an extreme liberal? :confused:

    The 'liberal' Agenda is indeed extreme.

    Its gross intolerance of people of faith is obsessive.
    The sneering disregard of Conservative, traditional values are nigh on facistic...


  • #169
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Well we all know RTE is infiltrated by Liberalista extremists. Surely one of you guys can make 'the call'...;)

    Odd sort of 'liberalista extremists' when II are never off RTE TV/radio and never ever asked a hard question. When Tubridy soft-soaps disgraced bishops but gives Richard Dawkins dogs abuse. When they broadcast ludicrously wrong numbers of marchers for both the pro-choice and anti-choice marches. When they broadcast the fcuking Angelus every bloody day. There's an agenda at work all right...

    Scrap the cap!



  • #170
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The 'liberal' Agenda is indeed extreme.

    Its gross intolerance of people of faith is obsessive.
    The sneering disregard of Conservative, traditional values are nigh on facistic...

    You could apply this to almost any generation of liberal thinking. Fecking liberals(suffragettes) and their complete disregard of conservative, traditional values. A woman is for the kitchen and lacks the capacity to vote. Fascists the lot of them!

    The Civil Rights movement was also in deep opposition to the traditional, conservative values of the South in America...... Traditional or conservative doesn't mean that they're fair.


  • #171
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    If he wants to be personally defamed, perhaps we should get #PoisonousC.unt trending on Twitter. :rolleyes:


    ...that wouldn't count, afaik. You'd have to say something specific, linked to a criminal offence or action.


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  • #172
    Bobby42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bobby42


    He's constantly portraying himself as the victim and oppressed. Any criticism is seen as bigotry and a "river of bile".

    Yet he tweets this acticle:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100202066/how-did-the-irish-go-from-being-the-pluckiest-and-funniest-people-in-europe-to-the-most-boring-and-self-pitying/

    Which basically says that the magdalene laundries story has been greatly exaggerated and the Irish need to stop moaning.

    Disgusting stuff.


  • #173
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Odd sort of 'liberalista extremists' when II are never off RTE TV/radio and never ever asked a hard question. When Tubridy soft-soaps disgraced bishops but gives Richard Dawkins dogs abuse. When they broadcast ludicrously wrong numbers of marchers for both the pro-choice and anti-choice marches. When they broadcast the fcuking Angelus every bloody day. There's an agenda at work all right...


    Truly, this one post shows the intolerance of the Liberal Agenda...


  • #174
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Truly, this one post shows the intolerance of the Liberal Agenda...

    I've concluded that you're nothing more than meaningless soundbytes. :)


  • #175
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Speaking of Tubs, I'll have to love you and leave you for the Late Late thread soon.

    God bless you all...:)

    *Awaits bile spewing rants* :D


  • #176
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    *Awaits bile spewing rants* :D

    in vain. ;);)


  • #177
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    The 'liberal' Agenda is indeed extreme.

    Its gross intolerance of people of faith is obsessive.
    The sneering disregard of Conservative, traditional values are nigh on facistic...

    Haha - Silvio your trolling is getting better :)

    Conservative traditional values are fine once everybody isn't made partake in the fun.

    The problem with traditional values is that it's not traditional to let people have different viewpoints to yours is it Silvio?


  • #178
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    in vain. ;);)

    ...:p


  • #179
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Haha - Silvio your trolling is getting better :)

    Conservative traditional values are fine once everybody isn't made partake in the fun.

    The problem with traditional values is that it's not traditional to let people have different viewpoints to yours is it Silvio?

    Legitimising abortion, dismantling the concept of marriage and banishing faith education in Irish schools.

    Thats what its like in 'Liberal' Ireland...:(


  • #180
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The 'liberal' Agenda is indeed extreme.

    Its gross intolerance of people of faith is obsessive.
    The sneering disregard of Conservative, traditional values are nigh on facistic...

    Ah yes, damn us liberal types for wanting equality for all. Women in the kitchen, etc.

    And of course, we should pass off our responsibility to teach our children morals to an organisiation that has covered up physical and sexual abuse, cause that worked so well in the past.

    Incidentally, just so you're not tripping over yourself with glee Silvio, thinking you've gotten me riled up, I'm just stating facts here in a calm fashion.


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  • #181
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Legitimising abortion, dismantling the concept of marriage and banishing faith education in Irish schools.

    Thats what its like in 'Liberal' Ireland...:(

    Imagine living in a country that is in the 21st century, upholds its own Constitution and treats all it's citizens equally. Oh wouldn't it be luvverly.


  • #182
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    dismantling the concept of marriage
    Yes or no: Did allowing interracial marriage dismantle the concept of marriage? Cause I'm sure it was the same right-wing loons arguing such when that was being legalised.


  • #183
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    Legitimising abortion, dismantling the concept of marriage and banishing faith education in Irish schools.

    Thats what its like in 'Liberal' Ireland...:(

    In a liberal Ireland nobody would be forced to partake in abortions, gay marriages and would be free to teach their children anything they like.

    However, in your 'traditional' land... ;)


  • #184
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Yes or no: Did allowing interracial marriage dismantle the concept of marriage?.

    Of course not. Silly question...:rolleyes:


  • #185
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Of course not. Silly question...:rolleyes:

    Well then, how is this different? All we're looking for is that two people that love each other can get ****ing married. Seriously, substitute the word "interracial" for "gay/homosexual" in your argument, and tell me that sits okay with you.


  • #186
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Yes or no: Did allowing interracial marriage dismantle the concept of marriage? Cause I'm sure it was the same right-wing loons arguing such when that was being legalised.

    Let's be fair. These are a completely different set of right-wing loons. But they do all sound the same because they're using the same arguments.

    That said, I think allowing women to be regarded as equals in marriage instead of being the property of the man has done more to dismantle "traditional" marriage than anything else in the history of the institution.

    I miss the days when a woman's value could be measured in livestock... :(


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  • #187
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    And as for locking up "fallen women" in concentration camps/laundries...
    That's a good tradition that we should continue ;)


  • #188
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Well then, how is this different? All we're looking for is that two people that love each other can get ****ing married. Seriously, substitute the word "interracial" for "gay/homosexual" in your argument, and tell me that sits okay with you.

    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?


  • #189
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?

    Incorrect. It varies by country.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #190
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?

    You mean the institution of marriage as practiced by - amongst others - the RCC.

    Marriage has generally been between a man and women or man and woman. More rarely its been between a woman and men or those of the same gender. Some cultures have/had no formal bonds at all. Marriage wasn't a sacrament and didn't require a priest until around the mid 1500's. It's therefore a young institution.


  • #191
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    Incorrect. It varies by country.


    Well the Right to Travel is there for anyone who wishes to avail of it...:)


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  • #192
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Well the Right to Travel is there for anyone who wishes to avail of it...:)

    As is the right to amend existing legislation to recognise same-sex marriages. I think it's about time Ireland grew up and removed the "Right to Travel" as an excuse to put off doing what's necessary.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #193
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    As is the right to amend existing legislation to recognise same-sex marriages. I think it's about time Ireland grew up and removed the "Right to Travel" as an excuse to put off doing what's necessary.

    Good luck with that...


  • #194
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Truly, this one post shows the intolerance of the Liberal Agenda...

    You have paid me a great compliment Silvio, one that I am not worthy of, but thanks anyway :)

    Scrap the cap!



  • #195
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Well the Right to Travel is there for anyone who wishes to avail of it...:)

    You'd rather force parents watch their children emigrate to find a place where they can live as equals than offer them that right here?


  • #196
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,854 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Good luck with that...

    It's inevitable that it will happen here. There are no good reasons that a civilized society shouldn't allow for it.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #197
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?

    Can you justify this statement WITHOUT religion?


  • #198
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Can you justify this statement WITHOUT religion?

    and in any case, what we are talking about is civil marriage. Religion should butt out.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #199
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Good luck with that...

    Those evil liberalistas tend to win over time. Idiotic and archaic views such as that of David Quinn or John Waters are not shared by most people in Ireland . ;)


  • #200
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Those evil liberalistas tend to win over time. Idiotic and archaic views such as that of David Quinn or John Waters are not shared by most people in Ireland . ;)

    What kind of hat are liberalistas meant to wear? I would be horrified if I inadvertently wore the wrong one. :eek:


  • #201
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What kind of hat are liberalistas meant to wear? I would be horrified if I inadvertently wore the wrong one. :eek:

    A fedora, I personally go all out and dress like Jack Nicholson in Chinatown. (Nose plaster and all) Then I nefariously plot to take over the world and destroy marriage... T'is like The Pinky and Brain with cheap suits.


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