Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

lima · 08-02-2013 12:53PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Right, so he was nowhere near them.

Your car pumping out toxins is doing more harm to those kids than that cyclist ever will.

1 metre from them is extremely close. Far more risk to them than the 10 seconds of exposure to toxins that the children were exposed to during the crossing of the road.

I wouldn't put my childrens lives at risk by trusting the accuracy of a random cyclist who breaks the law by going through a red light.

By the sounds of it you probably break the law by going through the red lights such as in my example. Next time I see you do that I'll punch you off your bike :mad:

Mycroft H · 08-02-2013 12:55PM

lima wrote: »

1 metre from them is extremely close. Far more risk to them than the 10 seconds of exposure to toxins that the children were exposed to during the crossing of the road.

I wouldn't put my childrens lives at risk by trusting the accuracy of a random cyclist who breaks the law by going through a red light.

By the sounds of it you probably break the law by going through the red lights such as in my example. Next time I see you do that I'll punch you off your bike :mad:

I take it you've never seen a car run a red light? Stand at the Palmerston N4 junction and watch it happen time after time....

08-02-2013 12:55PM

lima wrote: »

1 metre from them is extremely close. Far more risk to them than the 10 seconds of exposure to toxins that the children were exposed to during the crossing of the road.

I wouldn't put my childrens lives at risk by trusting the accuracy of a random cyclist who breaks the law by going through a red light.

By the sounds of it you probably break the law by going through the red lights such as in my example. Next time I see you do that I'll punch you off your bike :mad:

Number of children killed by cyclists in Ireland this year? Last year?

Quantify the danger. Stories on the internet are not evidence of a problem.

Also sounds like you need to deal with your road rage. Punching someone is illegal.

lima · 08-02-2013 12:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Given you have previously thanked a post in this thread that looked forward to running over a cyclist with great satisfaction, I'll take your concern for humanity with a pinch of salt.

And yet again - anecdote. Give me some statistics on the number of pedestrians killed or seriously injured by cyclists in Ireland.

Cars - one of which you are smugly sat inside - killed 46 in 2011.

I don't have a car. I cycle 100% of the time unless I'm going somewhere within 2km, in which case I walk.

My concern for humanity is set aside for people who are innocent, such as children and law-abiders. As a regular cyclist in Dublin for 1 year now (was out of the country before that) I have come to the conclusion that I do not like the majority of cyclists in Dublin as they consistently break the law by going through red lights. Creating a bad rep for all cyclists, even the ones such as myself who has respect for the law.

MrCreosote · 08-02-2013 12:57PM

lima wrote: »

By the sounds of it you probably break the law by going through the red lights such as in my example. Next time I see you do that I'll punch you off your bike :mad:

Good man. You might be waiting a while.

Hope your kids will have a grand time in their risk free world. The old bubble-wrap might get a bit constraining after a while

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 12:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Given you have previously thanked a post in this thread that looked forward to running over a cyclist with great satisfaction, I'll take your concern for humanity with a pinch of salt.

And yet again - anecdote. Give me some statistics on the number of pedestrians killed or seriously injured by cyclists in Ireland.

Cars - one of which you are smugly sat inside - killed 46 in 2011.

As there is no requirement (wrongly) for cycles to have either registrations, insurance or licenses there is no requirement for accident figures involving cyclists and pedestrians to be logged, similarly there is no logging of data involving cyclists colliding with each other, unless they fall and get struck by vehicular traffic. A usual ply by the cycling fraternity to justify their law breaking ways

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:00PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Right, so he was nowhere near them.

Your car pumping out toxins is doing more harm to those kids than that cyclist ever will.

One meter, given the unpredictability of young pedestrians was way too close, what would you have thought if it were a motorbike or car, they would have still been missed by the same distance?

ebbsy · 08-02-2013 01:00PM

Dowse cyclist with water, followed by cattle prod usage.

08-02-2013 01:02PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

As there is no requirement (wrongly) for cycles to have either registrations, insurance or licenses there is no requirement for accident figures involving cyclists and pedestrians to be logged, similarly there is no logging of data involving cyclists colliding with each other, unless they fall and get struck by vehicular traffic. A usual ply by the cycling fraternity to justify their law breaking ways

This is a new one. So there's an epidemic of people being mown down by cyclists but we don't have the statistics because they aren't 'registered'!

Why not just admit that cyclists aren't quite as dangerous as all the "nearly killed me / a dog / a small child / a granny" stories that inevitably pollute these threads?

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a new one. So there's an epidemic of people being mown down by cyclists but we don't have the statistics because they aren't 'registered'!

Why not just admit that cyclists aren't quite as dangerous as all the "nearly killed me / a dog / a small child / a granny" stories that inevitably pollute these threads?

Typical cyclist reaction, it isn't documented so therefore it doesn't happen

08-02-2013 01:06PM

lima wrote: »

I don't have a car. I cycle 100% of the time unless I'm going somewhere within 2km, in which case I walk.

My concern for humanity is set aside for people who are innocent, such as children and law-abiders. As a regular cyclist in Dublin for 1 year now (was out of the country before that) I have come to the conclusion that I do not like the majority of cyclists in Dublin as they consistently break the law by going through red lights. Creating a bad rep for all cyclists, even the ones such as myself who has respect for the law.

Good for you for cycling.

And good for you for stopping at red lights.

But in terms of your general concern for road safety, I think you are looking in the wrong place.

Pedestrians killed by cars in 2011: 46
Pedestrians killed by cyclists in 2011: 0

I'm still waiting for those who think cyclists are dangerous to give me any statistics at all to back up that argument.

08-02-2013 01:12PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Typical cyclist reaction, it isn't documented so therefore it doesn't happen

Link to a news story. Any news story.

Or is there some global conspiracy to hush this up?

If you look around btw you will find examples of pedestrians being killed by cyclists (so it does get reported when it happens, despite what you think), but they are pretty unusual occurrences. I think someone was killed on Baggot Street about 10 or 15 years ago.

If concern for the safety of pedestrians is what motivates you, I assume you will join me in calling for an extension of 30kph zones in city centres, increased pedestrianisation, and narrowing our roads / widening footpaths. We could even stick some dedicated cycle lanes in.

How about it?

Ray Palmer · 08-02-2013 01:15PM

Here is a example of junction where a cyclist causes no danger by breaking lights. The red line is the cyclist. The circles the lights and the green line car traffic.

The car would have to cross the bus lane and then go into the cycle lane. There is a possibility of another cyclist coming out but speed and distance make it safely avoidable.

Yes the rules are been broken but no danger. People who don't cycle do not realise stopping and starting vastly increases energy expenditure. So it is tiring to stop and start so people avoid it. The traffic system should cater for this and not just cars.

08-02-2013 01:15PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Typical cyclist reaction, it isn't documented so therefore it doesn't happen

BTW I am not 'a cyclist' I am a human being. I cycle, I walk, I drive. I take my children to school across multiple pedestrian crossings and roads. They have never been mown down by a cyclist or even 'nearly' mown down.

The closest I've come to anything serious was a Dublin Bus(!) breaking a red light and nearly hitting them while we crossed the road.

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:31PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Here is a example of junction where a cyclist causes no danger by breaking lights. The red line is the cyclist. The circles the lights and the green line car traffic.

The car would have to cross the bus lane and then go into the cycle lane. There is a possibility of another cyclist coming out but speed and distance make it safely avoidable.

Yes the rules are been broken but no danger. People who don't cycle do not realise stopping and starting vastly increases energy expenditure. So it is tiring to stop and start so people avoid it. The traffic system should cater for this and not just cars.

You think cycling across three lanes of traffic who have a green light is a sensible thing to do? Darwinism at its best

Edit Make that four lanes if you count the right turn lane southbound

08-02-2013 01:35PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

You think cycling across three lanes of traffic who have a green light is a sensible thing to do? Darwinism at its best

Edit Make that four lanes if you count the right turn lane southbound

Are you going to come back to me with some links?

Knasher · 08-02-2013 01:36PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

You think cycling across three lanes of traffic who have a green light is a sensible thing to do? Darwinism at its best

Edit Make that four lanes if you count the right turn lane southbound

Spook_ie wrote: »

Do please take reading lessons, I believe you can get them at cheaper prices than driving lessons

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The red line is the cyclist.

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Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you going to come back to me with some links?

Deal with you and your assumptions later, I have another Darwinist to deal with here

08-02-2013 01:37PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Deal with you and your assumptions later, I have another Darwinist to deal with here

OK. I can wait all day.

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:38PM

Knasher wrote: »

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Ooops yeah wrong color being looked at

hooradiation · 08-02-2013 01:39PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Deal with you and your assumptions later, I have another Darwinist to deal with here

Is that before or after you figure out the difference between red and green?

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:40PM

Knasher wrote: »

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Ooops yeah wrong color being looked at

However in the absence of a straight through filter, still breaking the law, why not allow buses to do it?

bruschi · 08-02-2013 01:43PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Ooops yeah wrong color being looked at

However in the absence of a straight through filter, still breaking the law, why not allow buses to do it?

can you not see a difference between a bus and someone on a bike? relative to size, capacity, speed and load being carried?

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:57PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Is that before or after you figure out the difference between red and green?

transposed red lights from this view to red line for cyclist...**** happens deal with it

Spook_ie · 08-02-2013 01:58PM

bruschi wrote: »

can you not see a difference between a bus and someone on a bike? relative to size, capacity, speed and load being carried?

No I see a red light being ignored

Mycroft H · 08-02-2013 02:16PM

Because it's just bicycles that break red lights

08-02-2013 02:24PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

transposed red lights from this view to red line for cyclist...**** happens deal with it

OK you've 'dealt' with this particular issue, how about my links?

bruschi · 08-02-2013 02:44PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

No I see a red light being ignored

so you think a bicycle breaking a red light is the same as a bus breaking a red light. yeah, good point alright.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 08-02-2013 02:47PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

Holy persecution complex Batman! Just because a cyclist is being assertive doesn't make it "bullying"

Er...that is what I do.

In a lot of cases the cyclist is being a bully. Motorists are at it too, as well as pedestrians.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 08-02-2013 02:49PM

bruschi wrote: »

so you think a bicycle breaking a red light is the same as a bus breaking a red light. yeah, good point alright.

It's not the same, but both incidents could end up with somebody losing their life. It doesn't have to be the cyclist either. What if a car goes through a green light and swerves to avoid the cyclist and hits a pedestrian or another car?

Just because you are on a bike doesn't make it ok to break the rules of the road.

You can apply the same logic to a moped or a jogger. It's still not ok.

Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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