Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

ghogie91 · 07-02-2013 09:02PM

Idiotic thread is idiotic

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 09:40PM

75% of drivers are idiots!! have reported many for the crap they call driving and will i'm sure report many more!
75% of cyclist are idiots!! need to be reported but not indangered by cars a ton weight that is attempted murder!
75% of pedestrians are idiots cuting out from behind cars/vans and expect to be seen and surley bruno mars on the headphones is not wort gettin run down by bike/car use the correct crossings not the old i have a right to walk in front of moving traffic!

I am a member of all three groups but since a nice lady parked her car on my arm and legss i stick to off road trails!

Whoever said bikes should pay road tax is a muppet its motor tax and maybe im blind but i cant find a motor on my bike!

No one group is innocent but all need to look at the habbits and impact on other people

Grow up and take responsibility! because the next driver who puts me in harms way i wont be letting it go or will i be responsible for my actions.

Grow the Fuxk up.

Rezident · 07-02-2013 09:48PM

srumball wrote: »

IMO cyclists seem to think they own the road, just the other day I was crossing through a yellow box into the petrol station, traffic was back up from the lights (red light) through the box. A cyclist was FLYING down the cycle lane not looking ahead and nearly slammed into the side of the car as I was pulling into the petrol station. He then followed me into the petrol station and began to beat on my car, calling my girlfriend a C**t etc scaring the **** out of her in the car.

Everyone in the petrol station and traffic was watching like WTF is up with this guy. 2 people approached me afterward saying they saw the whole thing and the cyclist was definetly in the wrong, flying down the inside lane not looking ahead at all, when the light infront of him were red and almost causing an accident.

Pretty sure cyclist have to obey the rules of the road also, this would include stopping before the yellow box in traffic? am I wrong.

And how many times a day do you see cyclists breaking red lights/filters etc?? A HELL OF A LOT MORE THEN OTHER VEHICLES!!

Its an absolute joke and then, they come on hear and moan about car users....

No car user had the intention of goin out an causing an accident, purposely breaking lights, road signs etc. But cyclists do ALL the time.

Cyclists more than any other people on the road should be exercising more caution, you are totally exposed for christs sake!

get over yourselves

OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD!

rant over

It sounds like you don't know the rules of the road. You were in the wrong and you could have severely injured the cyclist you cut in front of. Bit of cop on, alright.

Knasher · 07-02-2013 09:49PM

Duck Soup wrote: »

But I know from that perspective that no one ignores the rules of the road with greater regularity than cyclists, particularly in regard to red lights and having lights that work.

I would put money down that you could stand on almost any street in Dublin and see more pedestrians breaking the rules of the road in the space of an hour though jaywalking alone than you would see cyclists in a day.

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 09:53PM

srumball wrote: »

IMO cyclists seem to think they own the road, just the other day I was crossing through a yellow box into the petrol station, traffic was back up from the lights (red light) through the box. A cyclist was FLYING down the cycle lane not looking ahead and nearly slammed into the side of the car as I was pulling into the petrol station. He then followed me into the petrol station and began to beat on my car, calling my girlfriend a C**t etc scaring the **** out of her in the car.

Everyone in the petrol station and traffic was watching like WTF is up with this guy. 2 people approached me afterward saying they saw the whole thing and the cyclist was definetly in the wrong, flying down the inside lane not looking ahead at all, when the light infront of him were red and almost causing an accident.

Pretty sure cyclist have to obey the rules of the road also, this would include stopping before the yellow box in traffic? am I wrong.

And how many times a day do you see cyclists breaking red lights/filters etc?? A HELL OF A LOT MORE THEN OTHER VEHICLES!!

Its an absolute joke and then, they come on hear and moan about car users....

No car user had the intention of goin out an causing an accident, purposely breaking lights, road signs etc. But cyclists do ALL the time.

Cyclists more than any other people on the road should be exercising more caution, you are totally exposed for christs sake!

get over yourselves

OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD!

rant over

Thats a great idea maybe you should apply for your driving test also! you were 100% wrong could have killed the guy and you wander why he gets wound up? if you cant see where you went wrong there is no hope for you!

Chemical Burn · 07-02-2013 09:54PM

Here we go again

irlirishkev · 07-02-2013 10:01PM

Knasher wrote: »

I would put money down that you could stand on almost any street in Dublin and see more pedestrians breaking the rules of the road in the space of an hour though jaywalking alone than you would see cyclists in a day.

Jaywalking, as it's called elsewhere, is not a crime here. But I know what you're getting at.

Duck Soup · 07-02-2013 10:02PM

Knasher wrote: »

I would put money down that you could stand on almost any street in Dublin and see more pedestrians breaking the rules of the road in the space of an hour though jaywalking alone than you would see cyclists in a day.

I would never claim that there aren't some majorly dumb and dangerous pedestrians who cause accidents. I live near the city centre, so the traffic is constant enough that people habitually go to the crossing points as they're only places where you can get across. I suspect the further you go away from constant heavy flows of traffic, the more jaywalking there is.

But two things to note. I can't agree that in the balance of road offensiveness, pedestrians habitually break the rules of the road more than cyclists. Both do it, neither is blameless, but just from observation, most pedestrians cross where there is a crossing; most cyclists don't stop at red lights.

The other thing to note is that jaywalking is not a fineable criminal offense in Ireland, whereas breaking a red light is - 2 points and €80 fine.

irlirishkev · 07-02-2013 10:05PM

Everyone hates cyclists. It really gets tiresome.

I cycle to/from work every day. I obey every rule of the road. If I come to a red light and know it's going to be a long wait, I'll get off the bike and walk with the pedestrian crossing. I still get dirty looks from pedestrians as I cross with them on foot - because I'm wheeling a bike.

Chemical Burn · 07-02-2013 10:06PM

Cienciano wrote: »

The cyclists can go and pay some road tax before they start complaining

+1, I know I said "Here we go again" in one of my previous posts on this thread, for that, I apologize, OP. It's just that these threads then to attract staunch opinion from both sides and usually results in bans / infractions / warnings etc, but I do fully agree, cyclists are the bane of my life, both when innocently trying to cross a pedestrian crossing and a cyclists comes like a bat out of hell through red light or when I am driving. Advice OP, get a dash cam, next time one of these "people" tries to blame you, go to the Gardaí, let the cyclists talk crap all they want and try to blame you, after they have exhausted all their bull****, whip out the video and put the "person" to shame

Capt'n Midnight · 07-02-2013 10:11PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Would be very difficult to find ANY laws relating to cycling that are enforced in any kind of meaningful way, time for registrations, 3rd party liability and licenses for cyclists

Because regulation works in other countries ?
Because it will provide some benefits for the costs and not just be about revenue collection ?

You need a license to operate cars and cars need license plates because it will continue to move if the driver makes a mistake and a tonne of metal can do a lot of damage to people.

Bikes slow down / fall over if the operator stops doing what they are doing. The number of third party fatalities is less than that for pedestrians. When pedestrians need a license THEN you can insist on cyclists needing one, and people on horseback, but lets start with joggers who jog on the road.

And yes you can sue a cyclist , with motor cars it's so likely it's mandatory for insurance.

opti0nal · 07-02-2013 10:18PM

Chemical Burn wrote: »

Advice OP, get a dash cam, next time one of these "people" tries to blame you, go to the Gardaí,

A tamper-proof one one that also records speed would be advisable, that way he can prove he's not one of the 78% of motorists who deliberately break speed limits.

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 10:19PM

Chemical Burn wrote: »

+1, I know I said "Here we go again" in one of my previous posts on this thread, for that, I apologize, OP. It's just that these threads then to attract staunch opinion from both sides and usually results in bans / infractions / warnings etc, but I do fully agree, cyclists are the bane of my life, both when innocently trying to cross a pedestrian crossing and a cyclists comes like a bat out of hell through red light or when I am driving. Advice OP, get a dash cam, next time one of these "people" tries to blame you, go to the Gardaí, let the cyclists talk crap all they want and try to blame you, after they have exhausted all their bull****, whip out the video and put the "person" to shame

You do know motor tax is based on emissions?.......now where would a bicycle get emissions from?.....oh oh wait we'l tax people walking also and wheelchairs all big producers of emissions!

oh and how many cyclists have killed car drivers as opposed to cyclists killed by cars? easy come on here and talk bs about dashcams but you may just hang your self cyclists have right away and can ride two abrest, so maybe you should think before you waffle about dashcams :rolleyes:

yoyo93 · 07-02-2013 10:24PM

I think there should be more regulations with regards to cyclists. A lot of them are teenagers, myself include, don't really know/understand a lot of the rules of the road. I guess it would be quite hard to fix this problem but there should be more of an effort to fix it.

With regards to that guy who started the thread, you sound completely at fault and that cyclist was probably having a bad day or he's just a prick!

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 10:34PM

yoyo93 wrote: »

I think there should be more regulations with regards to cyclists. A lot of them are teenagers, myself include, don't really know/understand a lot of the rules of the road. I guess it would be quite hard to fix this problem but there should be more of an effort to fix it.

With regards to that guy who started the thread, you sound completely at fault and that cyclist was probably having a bad day or he's just a prick!

I'm all for education of riders and to stop light juping and other bad habbits, but the problem then is with dangerous drivers who feel its ok to use cycle lanes and try force bikes into the hard shoulder or parked cars!

How do you educate drivers who think its there "right" to force bikes into dangerous postions?

Work needs to be done on both sides but the road death stats speak volumes of the standard of drivers in ireland a fair chunk who never took a driving test but can lecture everyone on how bike riders are trying to kill them!

As i said before work is need on both sides! i'm trying to get my life back on track after a dangerous driver nearly killed me so this is a raw nerve with me.

Sh1tbag OToole · 07-02-2013 10:40PM

yoyo93 wrote: »

I think there should be more regulations with regards to cyclists. A lot of them are teenagers, myself include, don't really know/understand a lot of the rules of the road. I guess it would be quite hard to fix this problem but there should be more of an effort to fix it.

With regards to that guy who started the thread, you sound completely at fault and that cyclist was probably having a bad day or he's just a prick!

When did more regulation ever fix anything? Regulation is just to make people's life a misery and keep The Man in control.

Worst is these unruly youthes putting feckin' enjines on their feckin' bikes because they won't spend the money on a car with modern safety features like airbags and a quiet exhaust. I can't even listen to liveline when they're going past with the noise off them it's terrible.

the groutch · 07-02-2013 10:42PM

Summary of this and all similar threads:

SOME drivers are dicks
SOME motorcyclists are dicks
SOME cyclists are dicks
SOME pedestrians are dicks

Knasher · 07-02-2013 10:44PM

irlirishkev wrote: »

Jaywalking, as it's called elsewhere, is not a crime here. But I know what you're getting at.

It was made a crime over here under the Road Traffic Regulations, S.I. No. 182/1997.

Chemical Burn · 07-02-2013 10:51PM

imurdaddy wrote: »

You do know motor tax is based on emissions?.......now where would a bicycle get emissions from?.....oh oh wait we'l tax people walking also and wheelchairs all big producers of emissions!

oh and how many cyclists have killed car drivers as opposed to cyclists killed by cars? easy come on here and talk bs about dashcams but you may just hang your self cyclists have right away and can ride two abrest, so maybe you should think before you waffle about dashcams :rolleyes:

But they are also using roads paid for by tax payers (which most cyclists probably aren't, let's face it). They should contribute.

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 10:56PM

Chemical Burn wrote: »

But they are also using roads paid for by tax payers (which most cyclists probably aren't, let's face it). They should contribute.

What a sad thing to say so people commuting on bikes are going where? early morning dole spin?

And lets get a link to show most cyclists dont pay tax? and do you think all motor tax recived goes to road upkeep? or to the fat bankers?

Has to be by far the worst argument made on the thread! well done.

come back when you have that link! :rolleyes:

Motor tax pays for emmisions put out by cars/buses etc! thats why its based on cc/emmisions at least try get the fact before posting

Keep_Her_Lit · 07-02-2013 11:12PM

Chemical Burn wrote: »

But they are also using roads paid for by tax payers (which most cyclists probably aren't, let's face it). They should contribute.

Please substantiate this claim, if you can. Then we'll see if we can "face it".

In any case, even if some cyclists aren't tax payers, so what? Most publicly funded services aren't used by those funding them in direct proportion to their contributions. Life just ain't fair, eh?

For example, as a tax paying cyclist who very rarely avails of public (or private) health services, I have no objection to a proportion of my income being used to cover the enormous health costs arising from the sedentary and stress-prone lifestyles which are the result of over reliance on cars.

StinkyMunkey · 07-02-2013 11:15PM

I notice the way alot of people just cant get their head around the fact the cyclist was in the wrong. Witnesses at the scene agreed with the OP and said they seen it unfold. Sure the OP could be lying, but why would he bother, just to get sympathy in AH....!

I think we all agree that motorists in Ireland are not the best and have bad habits.

I think we can all agree that pedestrians like to play chicken with traffic. I was heading home through fairview the other night and a group of lads thought playing with traffic was a great laugh, they actually where PLAYING with traffic at 1am. I dont like playing chicken with pedestrians while im on my motornike, it makes me cranky.

And i think we can all agree that cyclists should stop at a red light.

If some guy who was in the wrong came up to my wife and called her a cnut, id be none to pleased and probably either be arrested or get a good kicking.

PC CDROM · 07-02-2013 11:16PM

Keep_Her_Lit wrote: »

Please substantiate this claim, if you can. Then we'll see if we can "face it".

In any case, even if some cyclists aren't tax payers, so what? Most publicly funded services aren't used by those funding them in direct proportion to their contributions. Life just ain't fair, eh?

For example, as a tax paying cyclist who very rarely avails of public (or private) health services, I have no objection to a proportion of my income being used to cover the enormous health costs arising from the sedentary and stress-prone lifestyles which are the result of over reliance on cars.

I'd enjoy driving over you when you break a red.

lima · 07-02-2013 11:18PM

As I said, for all those clyclists who go through red lights, you can have an accident for all I care, it's completely your own fault and you are breaking the law, no matter how many excuses you make for it.

You'll see me laughing at the red light with no injuries.

lima · 07-02-2013 11:20PM

BostonB wrote: »

Er hes not justifying it? Look at the context of the comment. Hes explaining why some do it, and why it doesn't cause as many accidents that you might assume it would. Which was the question asked.

Eh it's still breaking the law and dangerous, no matter how many excuses people have for it.

glic71rods46t0 · 07-02-2013 11:21PM

Mugser wrote: »

Hmmmmmm, a tonne- tonne and a half of metal with ABS, Airbags and numerous other safety systems to protect the driver/passengers... V's 10-15kgs of bike with a fully exposed pilot where the only safety system was probably his helmet???
Only one winner there as far as I can see. Get over yourself and open your eyes.
A few weeks ago a car drove in on top of me into a cycle lane, close enough for me to land a right thump on the car door... the driver had the cheek to accuse me of criminal damage:eek::eek: D***head!!

You landed a right thump on the car door eh! Well done sir - your parents must be very proud!

irlirishkev · 07-02-2013 11:24PM

Knasher wrote: »

It was made a crime over here under the Road Traffic Regulations, S.I. No. 182/1997.

When?
And what's the actual law on it? Got a link?

glic71rods46t0 · 07-02-2013 11:30PM

the groutch wrote: »

Summary of this and all similar threads:

SOME drivers are dicks
SOME motorcyclists are dicks
SOME cyclists are dicks
SOME pedestrians are dicks

Sounds like you have been involved in lots of these threads - why bother contributing if you have already achieved the nirvana state of knowing the above?

Knasher · 07-02-2013 11:31PM

irlirishkev wrote: »

When?
And what's the actual law on it? Got a link?

Sometime in 1997
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html
Scroll down to section 46, paraphrasing, it is illegal to cross a road within 15 meters of a traffic crossing except via the traffic crossing when the light facing you is green.

imurdaddy · 07-02-2013 11:34PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

I notice the way alot of people just cant get their head around the fact the cyclist was in the wrong. Witnesses at the scene agreed with the OP and said they seen it unfold. Sure the OP could be lying, but why would he bother, just to get sympathy in AH....!

I think we all agree that motorists in Ireland are not the best and have bad habits.

I think we can all agree that pedestrians like to play chicken with traffic. I was heading home through fairview the other night and a group of lads thought playing with traffic was a great laugh, they actually where PLAYING with traffic at 1am. I dont like playing chicken with pedestrians while im on my motornike, it makes me cranky.

And i think we can all agree that cyclists should stop at a red light.

If some guy who was in the wrong came up to my wife and called her a cnut, id be none to pleased and probably either be arrested or get a good kicking.

Because he turned across a cycle lane without due care and nearly killed a member of the public! 100% wrong, the the bike has right away. how do you not grasp that? would you turn across the left hand lane without checking around you? read the rules of the road.

Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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