Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

rolexeagle1 · 07-02-2013 01:07PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Where was this hard man attitude when your car was being hit and passenger abused.

My want to come give me one reply was a blow off remark not really an invitation. I wouldn't condone violence, especially in reaction to said incident as that it when things usually get out of hand and people do things they would regret.

rolexeagle1 · 07-02-2013 01:09PM

As I said before i genuinely could see him coming. I also never said I was right, and have admitted I could have been more careful but so could he.

ford2600 · 07-02-2013 01:10PM

"He literally came out of nowhere. I was creeping across the box and still didnt see him."

Insurance companies really love to hear their insured come out with that line.

You didn't check properly. You didn't anticipate cyclist. You were only concered for your safety(trying not to get hit by another car).

Learn your lesson. Admit your wrong and cool down.

Believe me you learned a very cheap lesson.

gobnaitolunacy · 07-02-2013 01:12PM

Cienciano wrote: »

The cyclists can go and pay some road tax before they start complaining

It's called 'Motor Tax' NOT 'Road Tax'.

IK09 · 07-02-2013 01:13PM

I just hate cyclists,i just feel they are unpredictable. i think that they are bound to get hurt on the road. They have no protection. Ye can quote the rules of the road all ye want, we are human and therefore, must allow for human error. So i think there should be cycle lanes everywhere, or no-where.

I also FULLY FULLY believe cyclist should have mirrors

Harry Angstrom · 07-02-2013 01:13PM

srumball wrote: »

IMO cyclists seem to think they own the road, just the other day I was crossing through a yellow box into the petrol station, traffic was back up from the lights (red light) through the box. A cyclist was FLYING down the cycle lane not looking ahead and nearly slammed into the side of the car as I was pulling into the petrol station. He then followed me into the petrol station and began to beat on my car, calling my girlfriend a C**t etc scaring the **** out of her in the car.

Everyone in the petrol station and traffic was watching like WTF is up with this guy. 2 people approached me afterward saying they saw the whole thing and the cyclist was definetly in the wrong, flying down the inside lane not looking ahead at all, when the light infront of him were red and almost causing an accident.

Pretty sure cyclist have to obey the rules of the road also, this would include stopping before the yellow box in traffic? am I wrong.

And how many times a day do you see cyclists breaking red lights/filters etc?? A HELL OF A LOT MORE THEN OTHER VEHICLES!!

Its an absolute joke and then, they come on hear and moan about car users....

No car user had the intention of goin out an causing an accident, purposely breaking lights, road signs etc. But cyclists do ALL the time.

Cyclists more than any other people on the road should be exercising more caution, you are totally exposed for christs sake!

get over yourselves

OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD!

rant over

How about you having a bit of cop on and obeying the rules of the road?? You almost wipe a cyclist off the road because of your carelessness and then you accuse him of breaking the rules??

And yeah, I'm sure EVERY cyclist goes out with every intention of causing an accident. I mean, in a collision between a car and a cyclist, the cyclist will be far more likely to come out of it unscathed than a driver will, right?? :rolleyes:

Irishcrx · 07-02-2013 01:14PM

TBF - I've seen cyclists constantly break red lights , not stop for red lights, edge out in to the middle of the road into oncoming traffic , overtake each other in the cycle lanes while ending up right in the middle of a busy traffic lane.

A lot of them, and I'm not saying all of them don't obey the rules of the road and are a danger to themselves. I felt safer on my motorbike than I did on a pushbike going into work.

I'm constantly on the look out for cyclists doing something stupid when I'm driving , but also everyone should be after all they have the least protection of anyone on the road, your car will be fines they won't be if you hit one regardless of who's fault it is.

OP - If he wasn't coming to a set of lights your in the wrong , he doesn't have to stop to let you turn in.

ford2600 · 07-02-2013 01:16PM

And pedestrians, footpaths every where or no where?
Cattle lanes?
Horse lanes?

IK09 wrote: »

I just hate cyclists,i just feel they are unpredictable. i think that they are bound to get hurt on the road. They have no protection. Ye can quote the rules of the road all ye want, we are human and therefore, must allow for human error. So i think there should be cycle lanes everywhere, or no-where.

I also FULLY FULLY believe cyclist should have mirrors

IK09 · 07-02-2013 01:18PM

ford2600 wrote: »

And pedestrians, footpaths every where or no where?
Cattle lanes?
Horse lanes?

Footpaths - yes(urban walking areas) just dont walk on a road with no verge, with a 100kph limit
Cattle lanes? Horse lanes? - dont be an idiot

rubadub · 07-02-2013 01:19PM

srumball wrote: »

No car user had the intention of goin out an causing an accident, purposely breaking lights, road signs etc. But cyclists do ALL the time.

So otherwise 'normal' people get on a one of these 2 wheel devices and then head out with the intention of causing an accident? that is quite worrying.

I have heard comments like this before, perhaps you should contact your local TD and see about banning these mysterious contraptions. They appear to alter the brain chemistry of people who use them and turn them into law breaking suicidal lunatics.

Have you ever used one of these crazy devices yourself? maybe as a child? were you overcome by suicidal tendencies or disregard for other peoples safety? Were you back to normal after you got off it?

ford2600 · 07-02-2013 01:21PM

So every road in country should have a footpath? Really?

IK09 wrote: »

Footpaths - yes
Cattle lanes? Horse lanes? - dont be an idiot

IK09 · 07-02-2013 01:23PM

Sorry edited ^

tommythecat · 07-02-2013 01:24PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

TBF -

I'm constantly on the look out for cyclists doing something stupid when I'm driving

And being a motorist as well, When I commute on my bike I am constantly on the look out for motorists doing something stupid which they invariably do. While not condoning breaking red lights on a bike the amount of motorists i see blantantly driving through red lights at high speeds through busy junctions is astounding and a damn sight worse than someone on a bike checking and crossing when the road is clear

spoofilyj · 07-02-2013 01:25PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

TBF - I've seen cyclists constantly break red lights , not stop for red lights, edge out in to the middle of the road into oncoming traffic , overtake each other in the cycle lanes while ending up right in the middle of a busy traffic lane..

Cyclists are entitled to overtake as any other user is, the road is not just for cars! In fact cyclists are legally entitled to cycle two abreast.

Irishcrx wrote: »

A lot of them, and I'm not saying all of them don't obey the rules of the road and are a danger to themselves. I felt safer on my motorbike than I did on a pushbike going into work.

True but on my daily commute a lot of motorists excelerate towards amber and red lights and go through illegally, Ass holes are ass holes regardless of what vehicle they are in control of.

Irishcrx wrote: »

I'm constantly on the look out for cyclists doing something stupid when I'm driving , but also everyone should be after all they have the least protection of anyone on the road, your car will be fines they won't be if you hit one regardless of who's fault it is.

All cyclists are on the look out for motorists doing something stupid all the time, as its very rarely the motorist that gets injured.

I'm sick of these threads, all road users need to be responsible for their own actions and be more considerate and careful of other road users.

At various times during the day I am a cyclist, motorist and pedistrian. Its not like different road users are seperate species we're all people and a little consideration goes a long way.

hardCopy · 07-02-2013 01:28PM

IK09 wrote: »

I just hate cyclists,i just feel they are unpredictable. i think that they are bound to get hurt on the road. They have no protection. Ye can quote the rules of the road all ye want, we are human and therefore, must allow for human error. So i think there should be cycle lanes everywhere, or no-where.

I also FULLY FULLY believe cyclist should have mirrors

Or you could just, you know, look out for cyclists.

Some cyclists do have mirrors but they're pretty pointless since bikes don't have blind spots. Bikes also don't kill people when they change lanes without looking.

They're not really unpredictable at all, when cars stop in a traffic jam cyclists continue to filter. Just assume there is always the possibility of a cyclist moving through stationary cars and watch out for them.

ford2600 · 07-02-2013 01:28PM

But it's ok on an 80km/h road?

What qualifies as an urban area? Sign up at end of footapth "No walking in countryside on road"?

IK09 wrote: »

Footpaths - yes(urban walking areas) just dont walk on a road with no verge, with a 100kph limit
Cattle lanes? Horse lanes? - dont be an idiot

seamus · 07-02-2013 01:30PM

srumball wrote: »

He literally came out of nowhere.

Awesome. You should have asked him where he got his cloaking device/time machine/teleporter from, that could be really useful.

IK09 · 07-02-2013 01:32PM

ford2600 wrote: »

But it's ok on an 80km/h road?

What qualifies as an urban area? Sign up at end of footapth "No walking in countryside on road"?

What qualifies as an urban area?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area

allibastor · 07-02-2013 01:50PM

srumball wrote: »

IMO cyclists seem to think they own the road, just the other day I was crossing through a yellow box into the petrol station, traffic was back up from the lights (red light) through the box. A cyclist was FLYING down the cycle lane not looking ahead and nearly slammed into the side of the car as I was pulling into the petrol station. He then followed me into the petrol station and began to beat on my car, calling my girlfriend a C**t etc scaring the **** out of her in the car.

Everyone in the petrol station and traffic was watching like WTF is up with this guy. 2 people approached me afterward saying they saw the whole thing and the cyclist was definetly in the wrong, flying down the inside lane not looking ahead at all, when the light infront of him were red and almost causing an accident.

Pretty sure cyclist have to obey the rules of the road also, this would include stopping before the yellow box in traffic? am I wrong.

And how many times a day do you see cyclists breaking red lights/filters etc?? A HELL OF A LOT MORE THEN OTHER VEHICLES!!

Its an absolute joke and then, they come on hear and moan about car users....

No car user had the intention of goin out an causing an accident, purposely breaking lights, road signs etc. But cyclists do ALL the time.

Cyclists more than any other people on the road should be exercising more caution, you are totally exposed for christs sake!

get over yourselves

OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD!

rant over

To be fair, and I am unsure of your own case, But as said before, If the cars are stopped in a jam, or indeed the road is free and you pull out but a cyclist is in the cycle lane, they are in the right. I have had this discussion with a guard before, he pulled out of a junction and hit me. He got out and gave out to me, His partner in the car asked him to return to the vehicle. got out and told me infact I was right, If you are in the cycle lane and have no red lights to stop you, you have right of way on the road.

the amount of car drivers who pull out of junctions or turn into them just because they see no car is shocking. the turn down near dorset college is bad, people just assume to pull in without looking.

Also people in cars who think that the cycle lane is there for you to pull in and take a call is a danger to all.

hardCopy · 07-02-2013 01:56PM

allibastor wrote: »

the amount of car drivers who pull out of junctions or turn into them just because they see no car is shocking. the turn down near dorset college is bad, people just assume to pull in without looking.

Roundabouts are lethal to cyclists for the same reason.

Cyclist arrives at the roundabout, all clear to the right, enter the roundabout, pass the first exit, car arrives from the left and blows straight through without noticing the cyclists.

Many drivers appear to have difficulty seeing anything smaller than a car, or maybe they just drastically underestimate the speed of a push-bike (anywhere from 15-50kph on the flat for me and I'm not fast)

allibastor · 07-02-2013 02:08PM

srumball wrote: »

Again had you been there i'm sure you would be denouncing his own reckless endangerment.

Also haven't seen anybody defending the fact that many more cyclists proceed through red lights then motorists, introducing more danger to themselves

If i may also add, I am a cyclist in Dublin of 1 year.

There is a piss poor system of cycle lanes and footpaths, where the cyclist is expected to stay in the bus lane or what ever. Sometimes the safest thing for a cyclist to do is go slowly through a red light to get ahead of the cars or to move to a lane quicker.

Just this morning my choice was this, Stay in a bus lane to avoid a cab, to do this I had to cycle through broken glass which left my wheel in tatters.

my other choice wss to stay in the car lane and to block up the road as my top speed is around 15mph on the bike. I dont think the car users would be happy with this. if it safer for me to cross the road slowly at a red light when there is no traffic coming I will do this. And to be fair I dont think many cyclists will go through a red light at full speed as common sense still works when your on a bike. Though I did manage to see a lady putting on her full make up while driving today, that was some feat.

rambutman · 07-02-2013 02:14PM

i did exactly what you did OP about 2 years ago - cutting across a yellow box where the vehicle closest the yellow box was a bus so i had crap visibility. The cyclist coming down the inside went straight into the front of my van and was luckily not too badly injured in that he walked away later. I was 100% in the wrong and would have not argued that point. I got interviewed in the garda station about it later and the garda put it like this "you're liable because you were in the wrong but we're not doing you for dangerous driving because we can see how it could have happened".

Tell ya one thing i won't be making that mistake again

I cycle everywhere by the way, and on the way to work in the morning at every single red light along the way i see a motorist scooting through just after the light goes red - it seems being in a rush in the morning justifies this behaviour..............along the same route i see the occasional cyclist jumping the red light.
Consequences of your actions are a factor to be considered IMHO - if you behave like this on a bike more than likely you'll will hurt yourself in case of 4uck up..............do the same in a car and chances are you'll kill/hurt someone else - i don't think ya can really compare the two

Sh1tbag OToole · 07-02-2013 02:15PM

Thread 1: Blah blah blah, cyclists are terrible, scum of the earth
Thread 2: Blah blah blah, motorists are terrible, scum of the earth
Thread 3: Rabble Rabble Rabble, smelly people on buses and trains

I'll never understand militant <mode of transportation> fanboyism

hatrickpatrick · 07-02-2013 02:17PM

Blisterman wrote: »

So essentially one cyclist acted like an asshole, so you've now decided that all cyclists are to blame?

Do you apply this logic to people's races or nationalities?

Alright how's this for you then: I walk up Dame Street every morning for college and I have NEVER seen a cyclist stop at the red lights where Dame St meets George's St, almost every single morning I see a cyclist to through those lights while people have a green man and are trying to cross.

I'm not exaggerating, I have NEVER seen a cyclist stop when those lights are red. Bastards.

ThisRegard · 07-02-2013 02:19PM

srumball wrote: »

was just a rant, before this gets out of hand Mod should lock it, going nowhere

I think your problem is not that it's going nowhere, it's that it going places where you don't want it. You realise you were in the wrong and are sad you're not getting a million Thanks to your post.

And to the poster with his strange request that cyclists should have mirrors, how do they prevent people pulling across in front of them or side swiping them ?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm not exaggerating, I have NEVER seen a cyclist stop when those lights are red. Bastards.

You most definitely are.

Anyway, good to see that boards is, if anything, reliable for the oul cyclist threads.

Cienciano · 07-02-2013 02:33PM

tommythecat wrote: »

What an idiotic thing to say. I pay road tax for my car but i commute via bike so stick that in your pipe and schmoke it.

awec wrote: »

There is no such thing as road tax ffs.

super_furry wrote: »

What's road tax?

MrScootch wrote: »

Intelligent response there. Well done.

How about pedestrians crossing the road, people on horseback, farmers moving livestock?

kylith wrote: »

It's motor tax, not road tax. Show me where the motor on a pushbike is.

Well, he'd just had the shock of his life, what with a car pulling directly in front of him and nearly causing an accident in which he could have been seriously injured. While I would never condone the use of violence or vulgarity, I can't really blame the guy.

listermint wrote: »

I pay more road tax than you. I also Cycle. Does that mean i can complain twice as much ? or 3 times as much depending on what junker you are driving.

rofl rofl

Logical_Bear wrote: »

retarded post is retarded...its a motor tax by the way sheesh

Cabaal wrote: »

Great!
In that case so can motorists....since they pay MOTOR tax.

Until they pay road tax i guess they can't complain either.

lertsnim wrote: »

It is possible to own a car and a bicycle you know.

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

It's called 'Motor Tax' NOT 'Road Tax'.

Wow, 10 and counting! Do any cyclist have a sense of humour?

07-02-2013 02:34PM

tommythecat wrote: »

And being a motorist as well, When I commute on my bike I am constantly on the look out for motorists doing something stupid which they invariably do. While not condoning breaking red lights on a bike the amount of motorists i see blantantly driving through red lights at high speeds through busy junctions is astounding and a damn sight worse than someone on a bike checking and crossing when the road is clear

Yep.

What is more dangerous - the acceleration to get through the orange/just gone red light in a car, or a cyclist establishing that his or her way is clear and then breaking a light?

Most cyclists break red lights the same way pedestrians do. They have to take that approach, otherwise they would be dead. This seems to infuriate motorists largely because they can't do it themselves.

I drive and cycle in Dublin and whilst there's plenty of annoying cyclists out there, they aren't going to kill me when I'm driving. The reverse isn't true. Anyone who cycles has to be constantly on guard against motorists behaving like idiots.

gobnaitolunacy · 07-02-2013 02:36PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Wow, 10 and counting! Do any cyclist have a sense of humour?

Surprisingly enough, I drive mostly. I just have a low tolerance for misinformation.:D

beans · 07-02-2013 02:36PM

Everyone does things they wish they hadn't when the adrenaline starts pumping after an incident. The cyclist shouldn't have shouted at you, and you shouldn't have posted this thread. We've all learned something here.

Irishcrx · 07-02-2013 02:37PM

tommythecat wrote: »

And being a motorist as well, When I commute on my bike I am constantly on the look out for motorists doing something stupid which they invariably do. While not condoning breaking red lights on a bike the amount of motorists i see blantantly driving through red lights at high speeds through busy junctions is astounding and a damn sight worse than someone on a bike checking and crossing when the road is clear

I agree with you , I'm just saying that while someone in a car has a chance when they do something stupid, your far more likely to be killed on a bike.

Sure the best rule I was ever thought when learning to drive the motorbike was by an instructor and it saved me from near misses a lot.

' Look at the cars around you and anticipate the most stupid thing they could do....then expect them to do it'

Served me well.

Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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