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DCG Project 2013

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    A female DCG teacher, I find that hard to envisage! She must be in the minority!

    I've seen a female DCG teacher before, however an attractive DCG teacher is hard to believe! :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    I am reporting you to the SEC...jk


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    You don't have to.
    Not a joke sadly, unlike someone who on a public forum spills the beans.


    Really, you have to wonder about some people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    spurious wrote: »
    You don't have to.
    Not a joke sadly, unlike someone who on a public forum spills the beans.


    Really, you have to wonder about some people.

    Spurious, always a pleasure .. yeah some people across the country could get a fright in august


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I have warned people a number of times that the SEC have already contacted boards about these threads discussing project work, but it's like they don't listen.

    *shakes head*


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 thebigbickman


    Best of luck to everyone on the project :)

    so anyone got any tips for the mocks im awfully f*cked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    Best of luck to everyone on the project :)

    so anyone got any tips for the mocks im awfully f*cked

    As my teacher always used say for JC, and the same applies for the LC, 2 half drawings are worth more than one full drawing. Don't spend all your time trying to get out one drawing perfectly and leave no time for the other, good timing is essential, know when you have to move on with a drawing!


  • Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Found This Fork Sir


    Am I the only one who hasn't the DCG course covered? We have section A and B done, but section C, we just started one of the questions last week, I won't be able to finish the mock paper, I'll have to leave a question out :l


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    You won't be the only one as people spent their time on their project.
    Don't worry. The main thing is to have it covered by June.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    Am I the only one who hasn't the DCG course covered? We have section A and B done, but section C, we just started one of the questions last week, I won't be able to finish the mock paper, I'll have to leave a question out :l

    I wouldn't worry hugely if you don't have it done yet, we only have one our two questions done for section C, but you've plenty of time to finish it for the real thing, not to worry!


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 Heljic


    Plenty of time before the 19th of June to prepare for DCG. Don't dwell on the mock outcome for too long, need to keep going! On the bright side, going to the States the following day. Nice relaxing way to end the Leaving Cert; if the work is put in .. there won't be any need for panicking :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Niiall


    Barster wrote: »
    Anybody have any tips for the project as a whole? , need at least a B2 in the subject need all the help I can get thanks greatly apprecited :D , starting output 1 as we speak ... any design ideas?

    Haha what happened to the 18th January deadline??


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭Barster


    Niiall wrote: »
    Haha what happened to the 18th January deadline??

    Check the date of the post ...thats what happened ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    Niiall wrote: »
    Haha what happened to the 18th January deadline??

    chronologically-challenged? you're not alone don't suffer in silence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    Had my DCG mock today, DISASTER! There was an easy enough question but I had been preparing so much for a hard question that when this easy one came up I didn't know what to do :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭Barster


    Had my DCG mock today, DISASTER! There was an easy enough question but I had been preparing so much for a hard question that when this easy one came up I didn't know what to do :(

    I know the feeling :/ Had mine yesterday , it was exhausting to say the least , constantly drawing and thinking for 3 hours , needless to say my french exam after was terrible. As for DCG it was okay , i got lets say the "jist" of most questions , Slightly annoying though the teachers change the questions to suit what we had covered , meaning it wasnt an actual mock , yeah it was easier but not realistic :/ Drawing can be so hard at times ..:confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 thebigbickman


    What questions did ye get ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    What questions did ye get ?
    I'm not posting it up here for the benefit of people who don't want to know what they are going to have in their mocks but I could PM you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    I'm not posting it up here for the benefit of people who don't want to know what they are going to have in their mocks but I could PM you?

    ever hear of spoiler
    SPOILER!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Or post it, spoilered in the Mocks thread - it would be a novelty amongst the plethora of rubbish posts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    spurious wrote: »
    Or post it, spoilered in the Mocks thread - it would be a novelty amongst the plethora of rubbish posts.

    "plethora" hmm... seems out of context there... anyway ya put up the spoiler dude


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    "plethora" hmm... seems out of context there... anyway ya put up the spoiler dude

    plethora, an excess of

    not really out of context - bang on I'd say.
    Thanks in advance Eurovisionmad (Brighton, April 6th 1974)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    spurious wrote: »
    plethora, an excess of

    not really out of context - bang on I'd say.
    Thanks in advance Eurovisionmad (Brighton, April 6th 1974)

    "relating to blood" - unless there is murder taking place on the mocks thread, I would be hesitant to say it's bang on!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    spurious wrote: »
    plethora, an excess of

    not really out of context - bang on I'd say.
    Thanks in advance Eurovisionmad (Brighton, April 6th 1974)

    have only heard it through junior cert science though so having googled it, I see it is acceptable as "an excess of" - apologies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 thebigbickman


    Please man, thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    Okay I'll post it here with a spoiler here as I don't want to go onto the mocks thread myself for fear of polluting my eyes with something I don't want to see myself ;)
    Okay so for the short questions in Section A, these are all of the top of my head as I had to hand that sheet up, there was a Shortest Distance between two skew lines question, there was a parabola given the point and axis (I think) and it required you to also find the center of curvature at that point, there was pictorial view (which I don't know much about cause we haven't done it yet!) and lastly there was a lamina and you had to locate the traces and show the true angle I think.

    For Section B-1 there's a trimetric projection question of a sort of rounded post box. For B-2 there's and interpenetration of two triangular prisms, one of course is at an angle so you have to do an auxiliary and finally for B-3 there's a lamina question, this is where I messed up so hugely, you're given two planes ABC and BCD and you have to find the dihedral angle, determine the traces and the true shape of ABC, I was so prepared for two planes with no common point to get a plane with two common points put my off hugely and I couldn't remember how to do it! :o

    Now we only have dynamic mechanisms done so far so I'm only sort of describing the others as I see them for C-2 there's a hyperbolic paraboloid based on the Olympic Velodrome, for C-3 it's a tent is as best as I can describe it as! For C-4 it's a fairly standard cam and linkage question, nothing really tough there, and finally for C-5 it's an assembly of a sort of crane pulley block.

    Now these all obviously come with a health warning, my teacher told me afterwards that he also had another paper so he was going to give that to us another time also, so this obviously isn't the only DCG mock paper around the place so don't base your whole exam on it being this paper and if it isn't don't come crying to me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    Okay I'll post it here with a spoiler here as I don't want to go onto the mocks thread myself for fear of polluting my eyes with something I don't want to see myself ;)
    Okay so for the short questions in Section A, these are all of the top of my head as I had to hand that sheet up, there was a Shortest Distance between two skew lines question, there was a parabola given the point and axis (I think) and it required you to also find the center of curvature at that point, there was pictorial view (which I don't know much about cause we haven't done it yet!) and lastly there was a lamina and you had to locate the traces and show the true angle I think.

    For Section B-1 there's a trimetric projection question of a sort of rounded post box. For B-2 there's and interpenetration of two triangular prisms, one of course is at an angle so you have to do an auxiliary and finally for B-3 there's a lamina question, this is where I messed up so hugely, you're given two planes ABC and BCD and you have to find the dihedral angle, determine the traces and the true shape of ABC, I was so prepared for two planes with no common point to get a plane with two common points put my off hugely and I couldn't remember how to do it! :o

    Now we only have dynamic mechanisms done so far so I'm only sort of describing the others as I see them for C-2 there's a hyperbolic paraboloid based on the Olympic Velodrome, for C-3 it's a tent is as best as I can describe it as! For C-4 it's a fairly standard cam and linkage question, nothing really tough there, and finally for C-5 it's an assembly of a sort of crane pulley block.

    Now these all obviously come with a health warning, my teacher told me afterwards that he also had another paper so he was going to give that to us another time also, so this obviously isn't the only DCG mock paper around the place so don't base your whole exam on it being this paper and if it isn't don't come crying to me!

    Is it just me or is the DCG exam not easy to predict anyway? Like skew lines just come up everywhere...? Know all your shortest distances etc., dihedral angle, true shapes and you're sorted for half the marks I reckon!?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 thebigbickman


    does anyone know in the assembly question how to do the part ''b''


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    Spurious? I'm slightly curious, when do you report people to the SEC out of curiosity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    He doesn't. The SEC will review this thread and if they report anything of cheating or related, they will give boards.ie a warning and they will have to take action.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    As I've said before - the SEC were already in touch with boards about this sort of thread. Contacting people way above the level of moderator.

    Of course, that doesn't stop anyone who looks at these threads sending an email to the SEC and I know people have.

    It's about basic cop-on really. Don't post anything you wouldn't be happy with the SEC contacting you about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    How are these projects actually marked, our teacher posted of our portfolio with a cd in an envelope.. is that all we needed to put in? and how long does the examiner spend correcting each project out of curiosity?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 koraDCG


    you can find the marking scheme for the projects here.
    http://www.examinations.ie/exam/LC_2013_DCG_Student_Assignment.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    koraDCG wrote: »
    you can find the marking scheme for the projects here.
    http://www.examinations.ie/exam/LC_2013_DCG_Student_Assignment.pdf

    No that's the project brief not the marking scheme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭curly135


    http://www.examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2012/LC562ALP000EV.pdf

    This was last years one, page 23 near the end, it's all there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 koraDCG


    No that's the project brief not the marking scheme.
    you will find the marking scheme on the 3rd or 4th page, it has an outline of what is required in each section, suggested page numbers and the allocated marks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    koraDCG wrote: »
    you will find the marking scheme on the 3rd or 4th page, it has an outline of what is required in each section, suggested page numbers and the allocated marks.

    *sigh* that's like saying the exam paper in Chemistry is the marking scheme, just because they say the marks doesn't make it the marking scheme, what curly135 posted is the marking scheme, and is what the correctors are given to mark a project!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    To be honest I have seen the marking scheme just wondering to what detail is each project analysed? As in will they only spend 10 mins per project or what? Have you guys posted off your projects?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    Eurovisionmad theres no need to be rude about it. Someone posted an answer that wasn't what you were looking for all you had to say was thats not exactly what I wanted thanks anyway.
    If you were that interested it wouln't have been too hard to look up examinations.ie yourself, everyone knows where the marking schemes are.

    If I recall correctly the projects had to be in Athlone or Dublin by last Thursday 28th. They spend a lot longer than 10 mins correcting each one. They read every word of it and go into a lot of detail on deciding marks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    Does anyone have a DCG mock, we didn't do one at all this year there was a mess up and so our teachers just gave us the 2009 paper ..... So if anyone has the mock I would be incredibly grateful if you could email it to me, or better still scan it up here!?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 koraDCG


    Does anyone have a DCG mock, we didn't do one at all this year there was a mess up and so our teachers just gave us the 2009 paper ..... So if anyone has the mock I would be incredibly grateful if you could email it to me, or better still scan it up here!?

    sorry dont have any to scan but you used to be able to buy them on mock.ie with the marking scheme for about €2 a paper i think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    I'll see if I can find mine but I'm afraid you can't do the Section A as I've scribbled and drawn on it. Section B and C are okay except Road Geometry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    I'll see if I can find mine but I'm afraid you can't do the Section A as I've scribbled and drawn on it. Section B and C are okay except Road Geometry.

    You're a life saver! No worries it's section B and C I need practice on anyways! So will I PM you or so you wanna post it up here?

    Once again thank you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    Sorry for bringing this thread again but my question probably doesn't deserve a thread all to its own :P

    Does anyone know for definite if gears are on the syllabus? My teacher says it isn't after looking at Curriculum Online. T4.ie says differently however so I don't have a clue. Examinations.ie is absolutely hopeless with things like this too - they really should have the syllabi readily available on it, or else I'm just a crap researcher :P

    I'm after spending the whole weekend learning as it's in the book and now I know it fairly well so it'll be time wasted if it's not on the syllabus!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    kingcobra wrote: »
    Sorry for bringing this thread again but my question probably doesn't deserve a thread all to its own :P

    Does anyone know for definite if gears are on the syllabus? My teacher says it isn't after looking at Curriculum Online. T4.ie says differently however so I don't have a clue. Examinations.ie is absolutely hopeless with things like this too - they really should have the syllabi readily available on it, or else I'm just a crap researcher :P

    I'm after spending the whole weekend learning as it's in the book and now I know it fairly well so it'll be time wasted if it's not on the syllabus!
    Syllabus is on education.ie. as far as I can remember.
    Gears is part of the dynamic mechanisms chapter which is one of the 5 options.

    I would presume ye are not covering that option if your teacher said its not needed

    So it's on the syllabus but you don't have to cover it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    seavill wrote: »
    Syllabus is on education.ie. as far as I can remember.
    Gears is part of the dynamic mechanisms chapter which is one of the 5 options.

    I would presume ye are not covering that option if your teacher said its not needed

    So it's on the syllabus but you don't have to cover it

    Thanks for the reply. The syllabus on education.ie is the same one on t4.ie and yes that does say that 'gear profiles' are on the course.

    We're doing Dynamic Mechanisms as one of our options and Actually we did cover involute gears fairly briefly at the start of 6th year but not epicycloidal gears and when I was going through them at the weekend I couldn't understand how to them so I asked the teacher, who didn't completely understand them either. He then checked the syllabus on Curriculum Online to see if epicycloidal gears were on the course and as it turns out gears weren't mentioned on it at all.

    But the syllabus on t4.ie and education.ie seems more credible than the one on Curriculum Online so I think I'll continue studying them. Thanks for the help! ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 bigt132


    I was just about to ask the exact same question about whether gear questions can come up or not, we're doing dynamics mechanisms but we didn't cover any type of gear questions. My teacher said that they take ages to do and that it'd be very harsh on us if a gears question were to come up, should I just not bother with them or would I be better off trying to learn them myself? Are they that hard?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    bigt132 wrote: »
    I was just about to ask the exact same question about whether gear questions can come up or not, we're doing dynamics mechanisms but we didn't cover any type of gear questions. My teacher said that they take ages to do and that it'd be very harsh on us if a gears question were to come up, should I just not bother with them or would I be better off trying to learn them myself? Are they that hard?

    They haven't come up before but sure they could always solely have a gears question within the Dynamic Mechanisms question (whereas usually you have a Cam and then a link to do etc.) and there could be two gears in the question which will fill up the 35 minutes you have.

    I would say it's pretty likely they won't come up but I'm still going through them because if they do come up and I don't know them, that's a heap load of marks gone :pac: I found writing out my own notes on it kind of helped and making up a mnemonic can help with remembering all the stuff needed. Once you know that the question isn't too bad


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 bigt132


    kingcobra wrote: »
    They haven't come up before but sure they could always solely have a gears question within the Dynamic Mechanisms question (whereas usually you have a Cam and then a link to do etc.) and there could be two gears in the question which will fill up the 35 minutes you have.

    I would say it's pretty likely they won't come up but I'm still going through them because if they do come up and I don't know them, that's a heap load of marks gone :pac: I found writing out my own notes on it kind of helped and making up a mnemonic can help with remembering all the stuff needed. Once you know that the question isn't too bad

    Thanks, yeah I'm just gonna attempt to teach it to myself, although it definitely looks like the toughest part of dynamic mechanisms! :L


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Leaving Cert Student


    Does anyone have any predictions for the paper?


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