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At Least 25,000 Attend Anti-Abortion Vigil

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  • #422
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    ScumLord wrote: »
    China and India have a culture that promotes male children. We don't so that's not going to become an issue, Irish parents don't care if they have a boy or a girl.

    I'm assuming that "gendercide" in the UK is a continuation of that culture.

    Yes, but this is the first time in those communities that it has been seen.


  • #423
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »

    No.
    Why not? Are you not worried about unborn children being taken elsewhere to be killed?


  • #424
    e_e
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    Saw somebody on Saturday with a "U2 WERE ONCE UNBORN!" placard.

    That's a pretty good unintentional pro-choice argument I'd say! :pac:


  • #425
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    St.Spodo wrote: »

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpWKJoIN_wE


    This gives an indication of the scale of the march.

    No figures though. Which is what I asked about.

    There's also no guarantee that all there are pro-choice. Heck as a pro-life person hearing of Savita made me very annoyed at how the HSE didn't intervene.

    One doesn't have to be pro-choice to regard that as horrendous.


  • #426
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Min wrote: »
    Yes, but this is the first time in those communities that it has been seen.
    I wonder how much that has to do with the upsurge in extremist religions that are around these days?


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  • #427
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    lazygal wrote: »
    Would Jesus be in favour of rape victims being forced to remain pregnant? Or is he a bit iffy on whether raped suicidal children should give birth against their wishes? Is it a grey area?

    Clearly he's in favor of it... as is his father:

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
    - God
    Deuteronomy 22:28

    What a c*nt...


  • #428
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    smash wrote: »
    And this is why the phrase "pro-life" annoyed me so much. It automatically suggests that pro-choice means anti-life.

    As an atheist, I'm going to start telling people that I'm "pro-truth" or "pro-reality" and see how the theists react to it.


    No, it doesn't, but one could take the oppositie to mean that but pro-life don't call pro-choice the anti-life brigade.
    Pro-choice is about giving the woman the choice of having an abortion.
    This is why both have different names, pro-choice do not call themselves pro-abortion for the simple reason they are not advocating all pregnancies be aborted.
    Pro-life is about doing what is necessary to protect the lives of all.

    As a Catholic, I am pro-truth and dealing with the reality in our lives. No one has a monopoly on this.


  • #429
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Min wrote: »
    No, it doesn't, but one could take the oppositie to mean that but pro-life don't call pro-choice the anti-life brigade.
    Pro-choice is about giving the woman the choice of having an abortion.
    This is why both have different names, pro-choice do not call themselves pro-abortion for the simple reason they are not advocating all pregnancies be aborted.
    Pro-life is about doing what is necessary to protect the lives of all.

    As a Catholic, I am pro-truth and dealing with the reality in our lives. No one has a monopoly on this.

    What should happen to the women that have abortions?


  • #430
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I wonder how much that has to do with the upsurge in extremist religions that are around these days?

    For China and India, I don't know.


  • #431
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    smash wrote: »

    Clearly he's in favor of it... as is his father:

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
    - God
    Deuteronomy 22:28

    What a c*nt...
    So he'd want 14 year old ms x to marry her rapist. I'm waiting for someone to tell me this quote is all out of context now. I'm also glad I'm not mixed up in that nonsense.


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  • #432
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    philologos wrote: »
    No figures though. Which is what I asked about.

    There's also no guarantee that all there are pro-choice. Heck as a pro-life person hearing of Savita made me very annoyed at how the HSE didn't intervene.

    One doesn't have to be pro-choice to regard that as horrendous.

    Of course! half of them must have been pro-lifers who were only in the crowd to ask directions on how to get away from there!


  • #433
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Min wrote: »
    No, it doesn't, but one could take the oppositie to mean that but pro-life don't call pro-choice the anti-life brigade.

    Are you back peddling? Your exact words were "pro-choice are concerned about allowing some life to be terminated."

    Min wrote: »
    As a Catholic, I am pro-truth
    Hardly... I mean, you believe in a sky fairy.


  • #434
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Min wrote: »
    Legal abortion with the myth of it being safe abortion. Wouldn't you rather be poor than having a legal abortion in the belief it will be 100% a safe abortion and ending up in hospital for months.

    All procedures carry risks, if you didn't know that already you do now.

    But by your reasoning, nobody should have a child here either seeing as it's not 100% safe and it'd be a "myth" that Ireland is a safe place to give birth.

    Of course that's nonsense and you're just being dishonest, so we can ignore this little gem of yours.


  • #435
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    What should happen to the women that have abortions?

    They should get proper medical care and any other help they need. Not what the pro-choice IFPA were telling them which was to conceal their abortions.


  • #436
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    lazygal wrote: »
    Why not? Are you not worried about unborn children being taken elsewhere to be killed?

    People have the right to free travel and what they do in their destination is the responsibility of the electorate and law makers of that country, not me.


  • #437
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Min wrote: »


    No, it doesn't, but one could take the oppositie to mean that but pro-life don't call pro-choice the anti-life brigade.
    Pro-choice is about giving the woman the choice of having an abortion.
    This is why both have different names, pro-choice do not call themselves pro-abortion for the simple reason they are not advocating all pregnancies be aborted.
    Pro-life is about doing what is necessary to protect the lives of all.

    As a Catholic, I am pro-truth and dealing with the reality in our lives. No one has a monopoly on this.
    I think Catholic and truth are mutually exclusive terms, given the Church used mental reservation to tell lies by any other name. No one had a monopoly on any woman's uterus, regardless of your beliefs.


  • #438
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »

    People have the right to free travel and what they do in their destination is the responsibility of the electorate and law makers of that country, not me.
    So you're only concerned about the unborn in Ireland?


  • #439
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Min wrote: »
    They should get proper medical care and any other help they need.

    And they most certainly should not be abused and shouted at by pro-lifers outside the clinic!


  • #440
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    hooradiation wrote: »
    All procedures carry risks, if you didn't know that already you do now.

    But by your reasoning, nobody should have a child here either seeing as it's not 100% safe and it'd be a "myth" that Ireland is a safe place to give birth.

    Of course that's nonsense and you're just being dishonest, so we can ignore this little gem of yours.

    I do know,that is why I was surprised to see someone talk about legal and safe abortion.

    Ireland is safer than most countries to have a baby.


  • #441
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    smash wrote: »
    Hardly... I mean, you believe in a sky fairy.

    Cut out the religion bashing.


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  • #442
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    lazygal wrote: »
    So you're only concerned about the unborn in Ireland?

    You know right well that I didn't say that, nor did I even imply it. I said I had no say in the abortion laws of other countries.


  • #443
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Min wrote: »
    Ireland is safer than most countries to have a baby.

    But it's not 100% safe, now is it?
    Perhaps you can use this information and your quoted statement above to see why your objection to the description of "safe" abortion is utter nonsense.


  • #444
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Min wrote: »
    I do know,that is why I was surprised to see someone talk about legal and safe abortion.

    Ireland is safer than most countries to have a baby.

    A distorted figure due to a couple of thousand women a year traveling across to england


  • #445
    maximoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭maximoose


    Min wrote: »
    Jesus would be in favour of the 10 commandments.

    Do not kill.

    Jesus wouldn't see the need for an abortion cuz the victim wouldn't be a victim at all, but a lucky bride to be!
    God-Deuteronomy 22:28 wrote:
    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

    Such compassion.


  • #446
    Loafing Oaf
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    philologos wrote: »
    Heck as a pro-life person hearing of Savita made me very annoyed at how the HSE didn't intervene.

    One doesn't have to be pro-choice to regard that as horrendous.

    And if it was concluded that Ireland's abortion laws were responsible for that failure to intervene, would you be in favour of reforming them?


  • #447
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    smash wrote: »
    Are you back peddling? Your exact words were "pro-choice are concerned about allowing some life to be terminated."



    Hardly... I mean, you believe in a sky fairy.

    I didn't back peddle, you deduced something which hadn't being implied. Pro-choice are concerned about allowing some life to be terminated, not all unborn life, to them it depends on the mind of the woman.

    If you don't want to show respect to me, then I won't engage you. So if I don't reply you will now know why. It is not hard to show respect to people who have different beliefs/no belief or different views. That is being pro-realist.


  • #448
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    philologos wrote: »
    No figures though. Which is what I asked about.

    There's also no guarantee that all there are pro-choice. Heck as a pro-life person hearing of Savita made me very annoyed at how the HSE didn't intervene.

    One doesn't have to be pro-choice to regard that as horrendous.

    This article suggested 15-17,000 http://www.wsm.ie/c/huge-pro-choice-never-again-march-savita-dublin. The Gards rather ludicrously suggested 6,000, which is a fact that simply cannot co-exist with that that a similar-sized street held 25,000 people on Saturday.

    The March for Savita was organised by pro-choice groups with a view to the ruling of the X Case enshrined in legislation. The speakers were unmistakably pro-choice and the general crowd reaction was overwhelmingly favourable. I'd be inclined to think most people were aware of the premise of the march.


  • #449
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »

    And if it was concluded that Ireland's abortion laws were responsible for that failure to intervene, would you be in favour of reforming them?

    I'm not in Ireland, but I think the X Case being legislated for is a good thing provided the suicide clause is on the basis of a psychologists assessment.

    St.Spodo - the WSM seem to give bigger numbers for their own protests and smaller for those they disagree with. Hardly objective.


  • #450
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    hooradiation wrote: »
    But it's not 100% safe, now is it?
    Perhaps you can use this information and your quoted statement above to see why your objection to the description of "safe" abortion is utter nonsense.

    I never said it was.

    It was not I who said about legal and safe abortion. Notice you didn't have an issue with that person.


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  • #451
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    This article suggested 15-17,000 http://www.wsm.ie/c/huge-pro-choice-never-again-march-savita-dublin. The Gards rather ludicrously suggested 6,000, which is a fact that simply cannot co-exist with that that a similar-sized street held 25,000 people on Saturday.

    The March for Savita was organised by pro-choice groups with a view to the ruling of the X Case enshrined in legislation. The speakers were unmistakably pro-choice and the general crowd reaction was overwhelmingly favourable. I'd be inclined to think most people were aware of the premise of the march.

    Garda figures 10k to 12k people.


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