At Least 25,000 Attend Anti-Abortion Vigil

LivelineDipso

Let's fact reality here, the turnout was fairly spectacular while 100 Pro-Choice folks held a counter demonstration shows that abortion in Ireland will remain a choice between Aer Lingus and Ryanair for decades to come.

I am Pro-Choice myself, and it seems so are most posters on here. However, the prediction from some here that a handful of holy rollers would show up demonstrates how people on the net really are not representative of the general population.

Ireland is foreign place in many ways.

triple-M

+1 for pro choice

lazygal

Abortions for everyone!!! Or just the women who no longer wish to be pregnant, like most normal countries.

meoklmrk91

Pro-choice myself, Jesus did that many people really turn up? Any links OP?

GalwayGuy2

That is depressing:(

LivelineDipso

Might be as high as 40,000 from some estimates.

triple-M

I reckon abortion would be positive for the country as less babies = less welfare payments for unwanted babies

seven_eleven

Yep, and if you look at all the pictures of it 90% of them are old bitter religious people, some even brought kids a long and made them hold up signs etc. Disgusting.

MagicMarker

In a country of 4 million, 25k gobshítes is unsurprising.

Look at the polls, and you'll see where the majority of people in this country stand on abortion.

otto_26

Well done people of Ireland

COYVB

Sure it's not like religious zealots have anything better to be doing than telling everyone else how to live their lives. A high turnout is hardly a surprise. It was that or mass

LivelineDipso

triple-M wrote: »

I reckon abortion would be positive for the country as less babies = less welfare payments for unwanted babies

It's middle class people who have abortions. Skangers never would as the get extra mickey money and moved up the housing lists more kids they have.

My name is URL

A good 25% of the protestors yesterday aren't even citizens of the RoI. They'd be better off protesting against abortion in their own country, where it's legal already.

otto_26

seven_eleven wrote: »

Yep, and if you look at all the pictures of it 90% of them are old bitter religious people, some even brought kids a long and made them hold up signs etc. Disgusting.

Yep, and if you look at the pro choice march in all the pictures of it 90% of them are old and young bitter non-religious people, some even brought kids a long and made them hold up signs etc. Disgusting. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Am Chile

seven_eleven wrote: »

Yep, and if you look at all the pictures of it 90% of them are old bitter religious people, some even brought kids a long and made them hold up signs etc. Disgusting.

Plus 1-the other day I got a leaflet in the letterbox about yesterdays rally and contact number to book a place on a bus to travel to dublin for the rally-when I looked outside to see who was doing the leaflet drop in my estate-a neighbour in the street around the corner from me, a fellow in his mid 50s whos in a bible study group was doing the leaflet drop go figure-as for the turnout for yesterdays rally while its impressive-the rally for savita in Novemebr drew about 20.000 to 30.000 out that day-anyone who was there will know that.

PseudoFamous

The financial backing was actually disgusting, imo. Printed signs for the protesters, gigantic TV things, buses to bring people from distant towns to the city for free. Rotten. All of this **** is paid for by Americans via the Iona instutute, it's sickening.

Grayson

My name is URL wrote: »

A good 25% of the protestors yesterday aren't even citizens of the RoI. They'd be better off protesting against abortion in their own country, where it's legal already.

Really? Links?

My name is URL

PseudoFamous wrote: »

The financial backing was actually disgusting, imo. Printed signs for the protesters, gigantic TV things, buses to bring people from distant towns to the city for free. Rotten. All of this **** is paid for by Americans via the Iona instutute, it's sickening.

The pro-choice side doesn't go without funding either tbh... Isn't Chuck Feeney a financial backer for them?

maringo

Referendum results stand - that's unless they want another one. Roll on the legislation and get it sorted for once and for all. Looked to me that most of the heads in that demo wouldn't need to worry about having a heathy pregnancy/baby :rolleyes:

galwayrush

Freedom of speech, no harm done. Majority will win, a lot of people who would be pro life personally are also pro choice because common sense tells them that they don't have a right to dictate someone's life choices, which can be traumatic and difficult due to personal circumstances.

otto_26

galwayrush wrote: »

Freedom of speech, no harm done. Majority will win, a lot of people who would be pro life personally are also pro choice because common sense tells them that they don't have a right to dictate someone's life choices, which can be traumatic and difficult due to personal circumstances.

Freedom of speech!! only if it's pro choice on here!! this site stinks of hypocrites...

krudler

amazing what lies and free buses can do

shruikan2553

Who did the counting? A pro life person may include babies on their side while ignoring them on the other or leave out a group of people standing over somewhere else, also this event was publicised as pro life so many pro choice wouldn't be paying attention. Ive seen both sides try to make themselves look better so dont take these numbers too seriously.

Polls show pro choice is the majority ad that is what will matter in the end, not how many people a side could gather up and offer a free trip to dublin for when they had nothing better to do. Im starting to get fed up of these gatherings/pissing contests and wish we would just vote and shut up both sides.

Biggins

Considering (despite the personal feelings of Enda Kenny on the matter) FG will probably bring in the smallest amount of legislation possible so that abortions can happen in limited circumstances - how will FG handle Terence Flanagan, a Dublin North East TD?

What about him?

He was part of that rally.
He objects (religious reasons) to what FG is doing - but yet he is going to have to vote with the government - and if he don't will we see him kicked out, equally as punished as others previous that have defied the government?

My name is URL

Grayson wrote: »

Really? Links?

No official links on the numbers, but that's from talking to people who were present yesterday. Buses were running from a few towns in the North.

COYVB

otto_26 wrote: »

Freedom of speech!! only if it's pro choice on here!! this site stinks of hypocrites...

I think you'll find freedom of speech is fine, it's people dictating how others should live their lives based on their religious beliefs where the line gets drawn.

McSheez

seven_eleven wrote: »

Yep, and if you look at all the pictures of it 90% of them are old bitter religious people, some even brought kids a long and made them hold up signs etc. Disgusting.

From the photos I saw there was still a decent turnout of young girls, I can only hope that it's a lack of balanced information that brought them there and that they'll eventually realise what decade we're living. I think anyone who turns up to an Anti abortion rally with their kids needs a good slap. At least most of em will be dead in 20 years and our kids won't have to worry about this ****e.

galwayrush

otto_26 wrote: »

Freedom of speech!! only if it's pro choice on here!! this site stinks of hypocrites...

Pro choice does not necessarily mean pro abortion, it means people can make up their own mind , make a choice that suits personal circumstances.
Abortion won't be compulsary so no need for the millitant pro lifers to worry about it.

mikom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDyUhI1ArPo

Biggins

There is one small bit of good news:

Organisers of the rally are planning to collect 100,000 signatures for a pledge never to vote again for Fine Gael if abortion legislation is introduced.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1198096.ece

So assuming that there will be legislation of some kind, where there be that many or even half not voting for FG?

Great news!

COYVB

galwayrush wrote: »

Pro choice does not necessarily mean pro
Abortion won't be compulsary so no need for the millitant pro lifers to worry about it.

This is the most baffling thing about it. Bringing in a Pro Choice law for abortion would in no way change anything about the way Pro Life people go about their day to day lives. They'd still be against abortion, and that's absolutely fine, because nobody would force or encourage them to have them - that's where the CHOICE bit comes in. It's always really confused me how they don't get that.

Allowing other people to do things that your religion doesn't allow doesn't have any affect on those who follow that religion. None at all.

padd b1975

Am Chile wrote: »

Plus 1-the other day I got a leaflet in the letterbox about yesterdays rally and contact number to book a place on a bus to travel to dublin for the rally-when I looked outside to see who was doing the leaflet drop in my estate-a neighbour in the street around the corner from me, a fellow in his mid 50s whos in a bible study group was doing the leaflet drop go figure-as for the turnout for yesterdays rally while its impressive-the rally for savita in Novemebr drew about 20.000 to 30.000 out that day-anyone who was there will know that.

Not according to those who organised it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/savita-demonstration-leinster-house-674695-Nov2012/

Organisers put the numbers in attendance at about 2,000, though Gardaí declined
to estimate the numbers in attendance until after the event had concluded.

Boombastic

My friend had an aborted baby's brain transplanted in to their head and new testicles, hurray for abortions

galwayrush

Some lyrics from a Rush song spring to mind...


That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...

chillywilly

Biggins wrote: »

There is one small bit of good news:


http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1198096.ece

So assuming that there will be legislation of some kind, where there be that many or even half not voting for FG?

Great news!

Im pro-choice but I would happily sign that petition

newmug

I'm pro choice too. I believe we should have the choice to legally kill others and get away with it, eg. your boss, politicians etc. It doesn't mean people are going to go out and do it, but you should have the option to make up your own mind:rolleyes:

WindSock

I would have loved it now if the Holy Spirit descended on them all and magically made them all pregnant.

TomoBhoy

galwayrush wrote: »

Pro choice does not necessarily mean pro abortion, it means people can make up their own mind , make a choice that suits personal circumstances.
Abortion won't be compulsary so no need for the millitant pro lifers to worry about it.

Exactly, We already have over 4,000 women per year having to travel for whatever reason to the UK, we are still going to have the same deal if X is finally enacted, I'd love to know how many American Dollars helped them buy their so fashionable banners, I hate people who are Not Irish detacting our needs as a nation, woman are not merely incubators.

Pumpkinseeds

I firmly believe that abortion should be available to women who want it. If a woman finds herself pregnant and wants to keep the baby she has the legal right and support to do so. If a woman becomes pregnant and chooses to have an abortion she should have the legal right and support to have an abortion in this country. Pro-life supporters have the right to freedom of speech but it is high time that they stopped being able to deny a woman the right to end her pregnancy, regardless of her reasons.

If I became pregnant I would have no hesitation in going to England to have an abortion. No woman in this country should be forced to go abroad to seek an abortion in order to appease anybody's sense of morality. Church and State should be entirely seperate entities.

It's high time the Pro-life people put their disgusting placards and propaganda into the dust bin of history where it belongs and stop thinking that because abortion isn't legal in this country that it isn't happening.

COYVB

newmug wrote: »

I'm pro choice too. I believe we should have the choice to legally kill others and get away with it, eg. your boss, politicians etc. It doesn't mean people are going to go out and do it, but you should have the option to make up your own mind:rolleyes:

What a well thought out, intelligent and relevant point.

chughes

How about an Irish solution to an Irish problem?

Introduce abortion on demand but the only agency that can be licenced to carry out the procedures is the HSE.

As with all HSE procedures, there will be an 18 month waiting list for the procedure to be carried out.

newmug

COYVB wrote: »

What a well thought out, intelligent and relevant point.

Exactly, just like yours. Just replace the words boss and politicians with the unborn.

Am Chile

padd b1975 wrote: »

Not according to those who organised it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/savita-demonstration-leinster-house-674695-Nov2012/

The march for Savita I refer to took place on a saturday-the protest you re refering to in that link took place on a weeknight outside the dail.

dvpower

MagicMarker wrote: »

In a country of 4 million, 25k gobshítes is unsurprising.

Look at the polls, and you'll see where the majority of people in this country stand on abortion.

This is the biggest turnout I've seen for a protest since the Iraq war protest. I don't think they can be written off as gob****es.

Bad Santa

WindSock wrote: »

I would have loved it now if the Holy Spirit descended on them all and magically made them all pregnant.

I do hope you're not speaking of the school.

For a start, they're all too young to have sex.

COYVB

newmug wrote: »

Exactly, just like yours. Just replace the words boss and politicians with the unborn.

My point was perfectly well thought out. Your boss is not essentially a parasite that cannot survive without living off your body for a gestation period. Your boss is not wholly dependent on you for its survival. Your boss probably won't result in your death if you have a medical condition that disagrees with him being your boss.

Grayson

COYVB wrote: »

This is the most baffling thing about it. Bringing in a Pro Choice law for abortion would in no way change anything about the way Pro Life people go about their day to day lives. They'd still be against abortion, and that's absolutely fine, because nobody would force or encourage them to have them - that's where the CHOICE bit comes in. It's always really confused me how they don't get that.

Allowing other people to do things that your religion doesn't allow doesn't have any affect on those who follow that religion. None at all.

Not quite. I don't think that ritual sacrafice is ok, and I certainly wouldn't be happy with a family of aztecs doing it.

The same with abortion. I'm pro choice, but I can fully understand why someone who's pro life would be adamantly against it.

It boils down to when an actual human life is created. They believe at conception. I believe it's later. I'm not sure when, I just know that at the early stages it's definitely not a human being, it's just a collection of cells.

BUT, if I believed that it was a baby, then i would have to accept that abortion is murder. And there's no way I could support someone elses right to do that.

Randall Floyd

Where were these 25k people when the carers needed support outside the Dail? It's a strange country at times.

mikom

Bad Santa wrote: »

I do hope you're not speaking of the school.

For a start, they're all to young to have sex.

In English, please.
You know I don't speak Spanish.

COYVB

Grayson wrote: »

The same with abortion. I'm pro choice, but I can fully understand why someone who's pro life would be adamantly against it.

They're perfectly entitled to be against it, nobody is saying they aren't. But are they perfectly entitled to force their religious beliefs (and these ARE religious beliefs for the most part) upon people who want no part in their religion?

Bad Santa

mikom wrote: »

In English, please.

You know I don't speak Spanish.

Espero que no estés hablando de la escuela.

Para empezar, están todos a los jóvenes a tener relaciones sexuales.