Magdalene laundry nuns

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 03:20PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't buy that, okay the done thing at the time was an unmarried mum didn't keep her baby but that makes no excuse for the violence those women had to endure. That wasn't socially acceptable back then but those nuns didn't care.

And a lot of the nuns approached by their victims in later life showed absolutly no remorse or empathy.

stanley 2 · 17-01-2013 03:21PM

miss_shadow wrote: »

There was a time my lecturer told us one day our morals would be tested and it seems that that day has arrived.

I work in a catholic founded hospital. It was run by nuns quite a while ago. the nuns still come to visit a few of the residents as it is partly an old folks home too, that's fine. Doesn't bother me at all, your life and entitled to your own religion.

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

I read a book on the magdalene laundry a few months before and after reading it I have been left disgusted at what went on and at this moment I can barely look at this frail old thing without feeling sick.

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

relative had abortion have to keep quite about it knowing the suffering she put her child through

gobnaitolunacy · 17-01-2013 03:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

He's right though. People complain about catholic Ireland yet for some reason dont mind nuns or priests who are responsible for crimes against children walking the street. I take it the same people wouldnt mind working with larry Murphy?

Knock yourself out and take them all to court so, with your 'evidence'.

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 03:23PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes and I agree. If I was the op I would say nothing. My post was in relation to societies easy treatment of clerical offenders.

Sound, but in what way would you see society going easy on these offenders?

17-01-2013 03:23PM

eviltwin wrote: »

That wasn't socially acceptable back then but those nuns didn't care.

You know, it kind of was.

Corporal punishment in schools was commonplace and expected. Strangers who had control over vulnerable people in institutions all over Ireland meted out physical punishment with impunity and their right to do so was never questioned.

That is the essence of social acceptability, which isn't to say that I think they cared anyway, obviously not.

They mistreated those in their care mostly because they could, not because they felt they had to, or that it was morally right to, there is no doubt in my mind about that. That they got away with it is a reflection on society as a whole.

eviltwin · 17-01-2013 03:23PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

And a lot of the nuns approached by their victims in later life showed absolutly no remorse or empathy.

Friend of mine was one of those babies, she found a nun who worked there who told her that her birth mother was a prostitute and didn't know the identity of her father, also claimed her records had been destroyed in a fire. It was all lies, she had the records but just didn't want to give them, eventually did and turned out the girls parents were a couple who married after her birth, with all the messing she wasted a year getting the info, by the time she tracked down her birth parents she had missed meeting her father - he died 3 months previously. She'll always blame the nuns for that. She still has to get an apology.

BUBBLE WRAP · 17-01-2013 03:25PM

Odysseus wrote: »

In what way was he a danger to society?

Well, that might have been exaggeration, how ever I really don't see how you would defend a person who saves pictures of girls onto their computer. He needs help if you ask me.

danniemcq · 17-01-2013 03:30PM

I worked for 4 days as a door to door salesman of sorts except we had to call into businesses and try and sell them stuff.

anyway was in Dublin one of these days and the people we sold too in a pub gave us dodgey tenners, but it was to late before we noticed. We rang the head office anyway to see what the standard procedure was and we were told to find an old woman type shop and ask for change and give the tenners to them.

Myself and the guy with me (he was just starting too) said f*ck that and took the hit ourselves.

I worked one more day (needed to pay an ESB bill) and then quit.

On a side note always run a fingernail over the little rectangle at the top of the front of notes at the end of that string of letters.

If its real it will be ridged and easily noticable if fake and also isn't to blatent that you are checking

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 03:30PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Well, that might have been exaggeration, how ever I really don't see how you would defend a person who saves pictures of girls onto their computer. He needs help if you ask me.

Hmm, I would defend him from being seen as a danger, just based on that. If it is causing a problem for him or others then yes maybe he does need to see someone.

There is not a lot of info to make any type of serious call on, however, I would have thought he was quite free to do this?

I can't see it being illegal, is it? If so, what right have we to prevent him?

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 03:32PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Sound, but in what way would you see society going easy on these offenders?

Bredan Smyth's first victims were ignored by the gaurds and files were lost. There are nuns in places like golden bridge who according to victims who lived there, killed babies. I dont see any worthwhile investigation into them taking place.Also some posters used the "shes old and will live with her crimes defense". I cant imagine that sentiment applied to too many other criminals.

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 03:36PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Friend of mine was one of those babies, she found a nun who worked there who told her that her birth mother was a prostitute and didn't know the identity of her father, also claimed her records had been destroyed in a fire. It was all lies, she had the records but just didn't want to give them, eventually did and turned out the girls parents were a couple who married after her birth, with all the messing she wasted a year getting the info, by the time she tracked down her birth parents she had missed meeting her father - he died 3 months previously. She'll always blame the nuns for that. She still has to get an apology.

See that is the real difference. You friend is entitled to seek to have the behaviour addressed. It has nothing to do with the OP, she is there to supply a service to whoever needs it. She is not there to get justice on behalf of other people.

I hope you friend gets that apology, for what that is worth, it can never make up for what happened.

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 03:48PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Friend of mine was one of those babies, she found a nun who worked there who told her that her birth mother was a prostitute and didn't know the identity of her father, also claimed her records had been destroyed in a fire. It was all lies, she had the records but just didn't want to give them, eventually did and turned out the girls parents were a couple who married after her birth, with all the messing she wasted a year getting the info, by the time she tracked down her birth parents she had missed meeting her father - he died 3 months previously. She'll always blame the nuns for that. She still has to get an apology.

That's a sad story twin. I hope your friend finds peace and that bitch finds hell. I heard a survivor talkong about how the nuns used to tell her she would end up in a room with a red lamp (working as a prostitute).

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 03:49PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Knock yourself out and take them all to court so, with your 'evidence'.

Tell that to the victims and see how many teeth you have left after that!

BUBBLE WRAP · 17-01-2013 03:49PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Hmm, I would defend him from being seen as a danger, just based on that. If it is causing a problem for him or others then yes maybe he does need to see someone.

There is not a lot of info to make any type of serious call on, however, I would have thought he was quite free to do this?

I can't see it being illegal, is it? If so, what right have we to prevent him?

Ah for get it! I'm not going to explain common sense to an adult.

gobnaitolunacy · 17-01-2013 03:51PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Tell that to the victims and see how many teeth you have left after that!

It's up to the victims and people with real evidence to seek justice, not you with fairy stories.

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 03:55PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

It's up to the victims and people with real evidence to seek justice, not you with fairy stories.

Looking at this post I can see how people turned a blind eye to abuse in Ireland, it didnt affect them.

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 03:57PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Ah for get it! I'm not going to explain common sense to an adult.

Fair enough if you can't stand over it, but it is not common sense.

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 04:05PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Bredan Smyth's first victims were ignored by the gaurds and files were lost. There are nuns in places like golden bridge who according to victims who lived there, killed babies. I dont see any worthwhile investigation into them taking place.Also some posters used the "shes old and will live with her crimes defense". I cant imagine that sentiment applied to too many other criminals.

I take what you mean about the early investigations. Would it be fair to say that about any reports made today? I don't know, which is why I'm asking.

Have certain issues like the ones you name been avoided, or it is a case of too little evidence, too long ago etc?

I know about some of the things that when on in such places, from people I have worked with. So I'm not defending any of it.

Personally I would apply that to a lot of crimes, if people are that long away from it. But that is a personal opinion. I would still support a person who was effected by such behaviour in wanting the people brought to court, if that is what they wish. I have too many people pushed into bringing things to court when they did not want to.

Morph the Cat · 17-01-2013 04:08PM

I got offered some TV editing work with Physics Live - turned it down.

humanji · 17-01-2013 04:19PM

Morph the Cat wrote: »

I got offered some TV editing work with Physics Live - turned it down.

Psychics Live or Physics Live? I'd definitely have problems working with the former, but I don't have much of a problem with physics.

Morph the Cat · 17-01-2013 04:22PM

humanji wrote: »

Psychics Live or Physics Live? I'd definitely have problems working with the former, but I don't have much of a problem with physics.

Psychics Live - haha.

I Heart Internet · 17-01-2013 04:48PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Looking at this post I can see how people turned a blind eye to abuse in Ireland, it didnt affect them.

You're right to be vigilant but a lot of your stories steddyeddy seem to be "she said" or "I heard" type.

Evidence isn't a dirty word. Rather than assuming everyone is guilty and treating them all the same, focus on gathering the evidence.

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 05:11PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

You're right to be vigilant but a lot of your stories steddyeddy seem to be "she said" or "I heard" type.

Evidence isn't a dirty word. Rather than assuming everyone is guilty and treating them all the same, focus on gathering the evidence.

Actually I didnt mention any stories in relation to the magdelines. I only know what I see on the news or official reports. Nr did I assume everyone is guilty.

I Heart Internet · 17-01-2013 05:28PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually I didnt mention any stories in relation to the magdelines. I only know what I see on the news or official reports. Nr did I assume everyone is guilty.

steddyeddy wrote: »

There are nuns in places like golden bridge who according to victims who lived there, killed babies.

steddyeddy wrote: »

I heard a survivor talkong about how the nuns used to tell her she would end up in a room with a red lamp (working as a prostitute).

steddyeddy wrote: »

He's right though. People complain about catholic Ireland yet for some reason dont mind nuns or priests who are responsible for crimes against children walking the street.

I may be wrong, but the top two quotes came across as "I heard" stories - especially the killing babies one. And the last quote certainly came across as blaming all priests and nuns for crimes against children.

This is way off topic though.

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 07:22PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I may be wrong, but the top two quotes came across as "I heard" stories - especially the killing babies one. And the last quote certainly came across as blaming all priests and nuns for crimes against children.

This is way off topic though.

Ah right well in this case it refers to the cloyne and ryan reports. The cloyne reports also deal with "lost files".

gbee · 17-01-2013 07:33PM

miss_shadow wrote: »

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

I'd have mixed views. Essentially the girls attending the laundries had committed a grievous crime against their religion and the laundry was their prison and the nuns the evil and vicious guards.

Behind that was an even more evil institution which slave worked these girls who were actually paying their way in paid laundry work and who were also paid by the state for their keep. The girls would know none of this, and naturally their babies fetched shocking prices, all this money going to the evil organisation.

The nuns themselves had sworn obedience and I believe that they thought they were doing their calling's work, though a few seem to have been overenthusiastic in the execution of those duties, so I'd have a quandary.

Squ · 17-01-2013 07:38PM

miss_shadow wrote: »

There was a time my lecturer told us one day our morals would be tested and it seems that that day has arrived.

I work in a catholic founded hospital. It was run by nuns quite a while ago. the nuns still come to visit a few of the residents as it is partly an old folks home too, that's fine. Doesn't bother me at all, your life and entitled to your own religion.

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

I read a book on the magdalene laundry a few months before and after reading it I have been left disgusted at what went on and at this moment I can barely look at this frail old thing without feeling sick.

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

While theres nothing in your post to suggest anything untoward, i cannot help but wonder why you would post it in after hours..

Magdalene laundry nuns

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