Magdalene laundry nuns

miss_shadow

There was a time my lecturer told us one day our morals would be tested and it seems that that day has arrived.

I work in a catholic founded hospital. It was run by nuns quite a while ago. the nuns still come to visit a few of the residents as it is partly an old folks home too, that's fine. Doesn't bother me at all, your life and entitled to your own religion.

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

I read a book on the magdalene laundry a few months before and after reading it I have been left disgusted at what went on and at this moment I can barely look at this frail old thing without feeling sick.

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Stheno

miss_shadow wrote: »

There was a time my lecturer told us one day our morals would be tested and it seems that that day has arrived.

I work in a catholic founded hospital. It was run by nuns quite a while ago. the nuns still come to visit a few of the residents as it is partly an old folks home too, that's fine. Doesn't bother me at all, your life and entitled to your own religion.

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

I read a book on the magdalene laundry a few months before and after reading it I have been left disgusted at what went on and at this moment I can barely look at this frail old thing without feeling sick.

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Got offered a job with a company who do drugs tests on animals, and after some thought turned it down.

Witchie

Considered applying for a job in the FAI but since they are a shower of see you next tuesdays I would rather work for the devil.

Jacob T

TLDR

admiralofthefleet

no comment

Lionel Messy

F.uck nuns

Where To

Come show me your hardcore feelings
With your raving meanings
Cause I don´t know the way to groove

I never learned to dance this fast
And I don´t know how to move

When the beats tickin´ hard
And the beats tickin´ low
May I think it is unique

I rather like to dance with you
Like we did
cheek to cheek

Jimoslimos

miss_shadow wrote: »

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

Would that be verified or just gossip/rumour?

If the latter I'd hold my tongue.

Sarky

She'll be dead soon. Why bother doing anything?

smash

Punch her in the kidneys!

RossFixxxed

Be sure you have the right person. Let rip.

Or just be comforted knowing if we do go to hell we won't get near the fires for all the nuns and priests in the way.

eviltwin

I used to work with a racist, in the end I just told the boss I wouldn't have anything to do with that person anymore and the boss was okay with it. If I could have afforded to leave I would have but this was the best compromise. I did try and learn a bit more about why this person felt how they did, thought maybe I could educate them a bit but it was a waste of time. In your shoes I would ask her outright but thats me though, I understand it might not be that easy.

MurdyWurdy

miss_shadow wrote: »

There was a time my lecturer told us one day our morals would be tested and it seems that that day has arrived.

I work in a catholic founded hospital. It was run by nuns quite a while ago. the nuns still come to visit a few of the residents as it is partly an old folks home too, that's fine. Doesn't bother me at all, your life and entitled to your own religion.

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

I read a book on the magdalene laundry a few months before and after reading it I have been left disgusted at what went on and at this moment I can barely look at this frail old thing without feeling sick.

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Applied online for a legit looking PA hob. Got called for an interview and it turned out the job was to be a PA to a dodgy business man who owned loads of strip clubs (and I'd say a brothel or two as well) Once I realised who he was I cancelled the interview and told them I already had found a job. Don't really agree with that line of business.

They then passed my CV to a local strip club and I got a call from them asking me to come in to audition to be a dancer! Well dodgy

The club was one where the strippers swam in fish tanks too!

Odysseus

I often work with people who have committed various acts which most people would deem immoral or often illegal, often both. However, I am there to work with the person, they are entitled to the same amount of respect that any other client would be entitled to.

Of course, I will make judgements, but I talk about them in supervision so that hopefully they do not effect the quality of the service I supply. It doesn't matter if a person experienced abuse or they are the ones that caused the abuse, they are entitled to the same quality service; if I cannot supply that I need to pass the person on to someone who can.

krudler

Odysseus wrote: »

I often work with people who have committed various acts which most people would deem immoral or often illegal, often both. However, I am there to work with the person, they are entitled to the same amount of respect that any other client would be entitled to.

Of course, I will make judgements, but I talk about them in supervision so that hopefully they do not effect the quality of the service I supply. It doesn't matter if a person experienced abuse or they are the ones that caused the abuse, they are entitled to the same quality service; if I cannot supply that I need to pass the person on to someone who can.

Supermacs?

cml387

"Let he who is without sin cast the the first stone"

gobnaitolunacy

It's the nun's own business, she has to live out her days with that in the back of her mind. That is, if her mind is still firing on all six cylinders.
You reap what you sow.

Anyway, how do you know she really did this or is it just gossip.

SEPT 23 1989

Taking babies from new mothers

have a long think about that:mad:

Sarky

cml387 wrote: »

"Let he who is without sin cast the the first stone"

*BAM*

Got 'im!

Leftist

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

It's the nun's own business, she has to live out her days with that in the back of her mind. That is, if her mind is still firing on all six cylinders.
You reap what you sow.

Anyway, how do you know she really did this or is it just gossip.

yep. same logic should go to other crimes. Murder, kidnapping (which is essentially what that was). They have to put up with the guilt, locking them away in a prison is just inhumane.

and there are lunatics out there that want that same institution to influence government decisions.

I Heart Internet

miss_shadow wrote: »

There was a time my lecturer told us one day our morals would be tested and it seems that that day has arrived.

I work in a catholic founded hospital. It was run by nuns quite a while ago. the nuns still come to visit a few of the residents as it is partly an old folks home too, that's fine. Doesn't bother me at all, your life and entitled to your own religion.

But we have a nun in for a few weeks
and the news is that she was one of the nuns who used to take the babies from mammy and cart them off to America for adoption. This particular nun changed her name too.

I read a book on the magdalene laundry a few months before and after reading it I have been left disgusted at what went on and at this moment I can barely look at this frail old thing without feeling sick.

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Firstly, i assume if the hospital was "catholic founded" then it is still either operated by a religious order or (far more likely) a board of trustees with a small number of members of that order still represented on the board.

Most importantly, I wouldn't go making some kind of stand based on information you present with the phrase "news is that".

Many nuns would have been known by religious names (often male names) in the past - names they took upon entering the order. As this (along with habits, etc) has fallen out of favour, most nuns now use their own names on a day to day basis.

Bottom line - unless you know for a fact that this woman did bad things, why take a set against her because you read some book?


To answer your question - yes my morals were tested over somehting I did - and I 'fessed up. I'm not telling you what it was though!

Fratton Fred

I exposed myself to a group of nuns once.

Two of them had a stroke................but the others couldn't reach.

sorry, couldn't resist

Mrs OBumble

miss_shadow wrote: »

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Yup: a colleague, who was married to someone I went to school with, had an affair with another colleague. We even found out he was riding her even while the wife was having their 2nd baby.

I had to be polite / professional to both of 'em in the office for well over a year after it all came out.



Re your situation:

1) Who died and made you God, and

2) If you're working in a hospital, you can assume that your patients and their visitor include some right lovely peope (drug dealers, rapists, wife-beaters, murdererd, bankers, thieves, etc) - because they get sick just like anyone else does. Whatever. You're paid to provide healthcare to 'em, not to judge wha they did. Leave the justice system jobs to people who are paid to do 'em.

Get over it.

I'm not interested in defending the clearly indefensible, and what this nun is allegedly responsible for, and indeed the suffering caused in Ireland by the whole CC, comes under that term.

However, to play devils advocate, I think we should look at her supposed acts through the lens of the times they were carried out in.

The catholic church reigned supreme until very recently in this country, and many members of religious orders entered those orders to comply with familial expectation, or to escape crushing poverty, and sometimes because of a sexuality they were taught to be sickeningly ashamed of (in order to hide from the expectation of conventional heterosexual marriage).

You also cannot underestimate the sheer blind faith that nuns and most other Catholics in Ireland had in the status quo, as outlined and promoted by the top brass in the best dresses.

If a relatively inexperienced, closeminded and indoctrinated individual was constantly told that what they were doing was incontrovertibly right, was not just fair and moral, but also was saving the soul of the two people involved (mother and baby) from an eternity suffering agony in hell, I can see why they might believe it. They might believe it in their bones, or they might choose to believe it because it was easier or it suited them, but its not unreasonable to assume they did believe they were doing the right thing in a bad situation.

Now we have evolved as a society and culture to know much better, thankfully. But its very possible that that lamest of reasons and most flimsy of excuses applied to this woman at the time. She probably didn't know any better.

She has to live with that now, and your best option OP is to behave towards her with the respect and dignity that she denied her charges, for your sake if not for hers.

strobe

Candie wrote: »

I'm not interested in defending the clearly indefensible, and what this nun is allegedly responsible for, and indeed the suffering caused in Ireland by the whole CC, comes under that term.

However, to play devils advocate, I think we should look at her supposed acts through the lens of the times they were carried out in.

The catholic church reigned supreme until very recently in this country, and many members of religious orders entered those orders to comply with familial expectation, or to escape crushing poverty, and sometimes because of a sexuality they were taught to be sickeningly ashamed of (in order to hide from the expectation of conventional heterosexual marriage).

You also cannot underestimate the sheer blind faith that nuns and most other Catholics in Ireland had in the status quo, as outlined and promoted by the top brass in the best dresses.

If a relatively inexperienced, closeminded and indoctrinated individual was constantly told that what they were doing was incontrovertibly right, was not just fair and moral, but also was saving the soul of the two people involved (mother and baby) from an eternity suffering agony in hell, I can see why they might believe it. They might believe it in their bones, or they might choose to believe it because it was easier or it suited them, but its not unreasonable to assume they did believe they were doing the right thing in a bad situation.

Now we have evolved as a society and culture to know much better, thankfully. But its very possible that that lamest of reasons and most flimsy of excuses applied to this woman at the time. She probably didn't know any better.

She has to live with that now, and your best option OP is to behave towards her with the respect and dignity that she denied her charges, for your sake if not for hers.

Nuremberg defense, huh? How retro.

strobe

strobe wrote: »

Nuremberg defense, huh? How retro.

How droll.

But no, as I've said its indefensible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand it though.

Madam_X

cml387 wrote: »

"Let he who is without sin cast the the first stone"

Lots of sins carry far more weight than others. I think a person whose only sins are the usual human failings is quite ok to condemn the Magdalene Laundries system.

strobe wrote: »

Nuremberg defense, huh? How retro.

It can be a valid defence though. I don't get why it's often dismissed or why those dismissing it are so sure they wouldn't have crumbled under similar pressure/fear.

krudler

cml387 wrote: »

"Let he who is without sin cast the the first stone"

Sin doesn't exist.

Whack!

Mod

I'll just get this in here now.

If this turns into an anti-catholic/anti-religion/pro-catholic/pro-religion thread, it will be locked.

We'll keep the religious discussion for the appropriate forums.

Ta.

gobnaitolunacy

Leftist wrote: »

yep. same logic should go to other crimes. Murder, kidnapping (which is essentially what that was). They have to put up with the guilt, locking them away in a prison is just inhumane.

and there are lunatics out there that want that same institution to influence government decisions.

Unless you or your family were affected by (alleged) past misdeeds, it's none of your business.
What's the OP supposed to do? Go to the Gardai on foot of what is just 'talk'?

curlzy

While I can understand your anger OP, you'll just get yourself in trouble if you say anything. My own grandmother was "raised" in an orphanage by the Sisters of "Mercy", (mercy my hole) and I have a very strong dislike of nuns, priests etc but if I bump into them in a professional capacity I act professionally. A rant wouldn't do any good anyways, if they've half a brain they know the horrific things they did, if they don't well sure your rant won't change that.

Just be glad you've never done anything so disgustingly horrific and have to live the rest of your days knowing what you did.

hoodwinked

miss_shadow wrote: »

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yup: a colleague, who was married to someone I went to school with, had an affair with another colleague. We even found out he was riding her even while the wife was having their 2nd baby.

I had to be polite / professional to both of 'em in the office for well over a year after it all came out.

mine was something like that,

i found out my neighbor was not only sleeping with a married friend of mine (he is married with a young child) but they are calling themselves boyfriend and girlfriend having a 'relationship' and he is flaunting her around our local pubs and restaurants and shopping centers where his wife or her friends and family could be.

did i keep quiet? kind of, i told them i was having nothing to do with it and i distanced myself from them both since. It's not up to me to let rip, but as its my morals being tested by it i do have the power to stay out of it.

BUBBLE WRAP

Where To wrote: »

Come show me your hardcore feelings
With your raving meanings
Cause I don´t know the way to groove

I never learned to dance this fast
And I don´t know how to move

When the beats tickin´ hard
And the beats tickin´ low
May I think it is unique

I rather like to dance with you
Like we did
cheek to cheek

Is that the sorta bass that fills your taxi?

eviltwin

Candie wrote: »

How droll.

But no, as I've said its indefensible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand it though.

Your a better person than me so

I can't understand a woman who can beat a pregnant girl, insult her, take her child from her while she is screaming to be allowed to keep him and have nothing but comtempt for her and feel she is getting what she deserves. These women were cold hearted bitches, I hope if there is a hell there is a special part just for them.

Czarcasm

miss_shadow wrote: »

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

As part of my job customers will often drop in laptops to be fixed. This one guy needed me to do a hard drive recovery on his laptop. There was nothing incriminating on it but there were hundreds of photos of random girls pics off facebook. Turned out he was downloading them off their profiles without these girls knowledge.

I deleted the photos and when he came to collect the laptop I told him I'd permanently erased the photos I'd found and he could find someone else to fix his laptop.

Creep.

padd b1975

curlzy wrote: »

While I can understand your anger OP, you'll just get yourself in trouble if you say anything. My own grandmother was "raised" in an orphanage by the Sisters of "Mercy", (mercy my hole) and I have a very strong dislike of nuns, priests etc but if I bump into them in a professional capacity I act professionally. A rant wouldn't do any good anyways, if they've half a brain they know the horrific things they did, if they don't well sure your rant won't change that.

Just be glad you've never done anything so disgustingly horrific and have to live the rest of your days knowing what you did.

What other options were available?

Aethists of Mercy Orphanage perhaps??



Nah... doubt there was.

Míshásta

Giving babies, born out of wedlock, for adoption was seen as the proper thing to do by society at large up to a generation ago. Even girls 'caught out' who had the support of family and close friends didn't keep their babies unless they were going to get married. This was not only the case in Ireland but in other western countries as well. You just can't blame the Church for all society's standards at the time. There was very little state support for unmarried mothers at the time so unless the woman had independent means keeping the baby just wasn't an option. Also women who had babies out of wedlock would have practically little chance of finding another partner.

Agree or disagree with life as it was at the time, that's just how it was.

Some of the Nuns' orders who looked after unmarried pregnant mothers until they had their babies were performing a service that was not available elsewhere.

This is not in any way to excuse any cruel abuses carried out by nuns in Magdalene laundries or in houses for women with problem pregnancies but please don't be so judgemental if you don't know all the facts.

Kichote

Czarcasm wrote: »

As part of my job customers will often drop in laptops to be fixed. This one guy needed me to do a hard drive recovery on his laptop. There was nothing incriminating on it but there were hundreds of photos of random girls pics off facebook. Turned out he was downloading them off their profiles without these girls knowledge.

I deleted the photos and when he came to collect the laptop I told him I'd permanently erased the photos I'd found and he could find someone else to fix his laptop.

Creep.

What exactly is the problem? If you look at anybody's fb profile do you not "download their pictures without their knowledge" and do these people not put these pictures up out of their own free will for everyone to download?

Merkin

I agree that the Magdelene Laundries were a hotbed of abuse, cruelty and depravity and I think it disgusting that so many of the evil people behind the ill-treatment will never be held accountable.

HOWEVER, there is no way in hell that you can have an issue with this old nun when everything you think you know is based entirely on conjecture and speculation. In one sentence you're saying she helped with the adoption of babies to the States, then that there "is news" (which means a rumour essentially) of her having been involved and in the next sentence you mention that you've read a book on the Magdelene Laundries.

You can't base a one-woman with-hunt on assumptions and scant knowledge of an extremely complex and disturbing topic. To take a "stand" on this would be foolish in the extreme and I wouldn't go about victimizing anyone based on gossip and what the "news" is.

BUBBLE WRAP

Kichote wrote: »

What exactly is the problem? If you look at anybody's fb profile do you not "download their pictures without their knowledge" and do these people not put these pictures up out of their own free will for everyone to download?

Are you having a laugh??

Sarky

Míshásta wrote: »

You just can't blame the Church for all society's standards at the time.

Given the level of influence the church had in shaping society at the time, yes you bloody can.

Boombastic

Be professional in your work. You are there to provide healthcare, not moral judgement. If you can't be professional about it, maybe your in the wrong job.

Rented Mule

Sarky wrote: »

She'll be dead soon. Why bother doing anything?

Because these people need to pay for their crimes against the children/women of Ireland.

LivelineDipso

Another factor is this nun was a member of a mind control cult. She was programmed to do such things by the psychopathic cult leaders: the TDs, the bishops and cardinals.

The Irish Catholic church was a very different beast here than in other countries. The entire population of the 26 counties was obstensibly trapped within a Jonestown style situation from the 1930's-70's.

She may well be a victim of the Holy Catholic Ireland cult too. Forced into the nuns by her rural family.

Hindsight is 20/20.

hoodwinked

Rented Mule wrote: »

Because these people need to pay for their crimes against the children/women of Ireland.

who are these people exactly?

i ask as if you see a nun or priest walking down the street how do you know if they are guilty of these crimes?

Kichote

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Are you having a laugh??

I find it strange that someone who claims to fix laptops would be outraged that someone saved freely available images from the internet onto their hard drive. Maybe it was just the browser cache they were in but even if they werent I don't see the problem. Would he be outraged if I saved one of his boards posts to a .txt file?

Hannibal Smith

nuns got away with a lot. priests have been dragged over hot coals over their abuses (and rightly so)...but I dont remember hearing of any nuns being held accountable individually for the abuses they carried out?

some vague recollection is coming to my mind of one particular nun who may have gone to prison...but I'm not sure.

I don't why nuns haven't been convicted of anything.

If I was certain this nun carried out abuses all my senses would be telling me give her the same treatment she doled out to the vulnerable in her care.

if all she did was hand the babies over...she was just doing her job.

Leftist

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Unless you or your family were affected by (alleged) past misdeeds, it's none of your business.
What's the OP supposed to do? Go to the Gardai on foot of what is just 'talk'?

like I said and same to this post, does the same logic applies to other crimes?

If a man kidnaps a child on the street, is it 'none of our business' if we are not related to them?

Outrageous logic.

gobnaitolunacy

Leftist wrote: »

like I said and same to this post, does the same logic applies to other crimes?

If a man kidnaps a child on the street, is it 'none of our business' if we are not related to them?

Outrageous logic.

What are you? The Simon Weisenthal of nuns?

steddyeddy

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

What are you? The Simon Weisenthal of nuns?

He's right though. People complain about catholic Ireland yet for some reason dont mind nuns or priests who are responsible for crimes against children walking the street. I take it the same people wouldnt mind working with larry Murphy?

strobe

Candie wrote: »

How droll.

But no, as I've said its indefensible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand it though.

Oh I agree, and I actually agree with most of your other post. Just amused by the parallels.