Magdalene laundry nuns

hoodwinked · 17-01-2013 01:25PM

miss_shadow wrote: »

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yup: a colleague, who was married to someone I went to school with, had an affair with another colleague. We even found out he was riding her even while the wife was having their 2nd baby.

I had to be polite / professional to both of 'em in the office for well over a year after it all came out.

mine was something like that,

i found out my neighbor was not only sleeping with a married friend of mine (he is married with a young child) but they are calling themselves boyfriend and girlfriend having a 'relationship' and he is flaunting her around our local pubs and restaurants and shopping centers where his wife or her friends and family could be.

did i keep quiet? kind of, i told them i was having nothing to do with it and i distanced myself from them both since. It's not up to me to let rip, but as its my morals being tested by it i do have the power to stay out of it.

BUBBLE WRAP · 17-01-2013 01:28PM

Where To wrote: »

Come show me your hardcore feelings
With your raving meanings
Cause I don´t know the way to groove

I never learned to dance this fast
And I don´t know how to move

When the beats tickin´ hard
And the beats tickin´ low
May I think it is unique

I rather like to dance with you
Like we did
cheek to cheek

Is that the sorta bass that fills your taxi?

eviltwin · 17-01-2013 01:29PM

Candie wrote: »

How droll.

But no, as I've said its indefensible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand it though.

Your a better person than me so

I can't understand a woman who can beat a pregnant girl, insult her, take her child from her while she is screaming to be allowed to keep him and have nothing but comtempt for her and feel she is getting what she deserves. These women were cold hearted bitches, I hope if there is a hell there is a special part just for them.

Czarcasm · 17-01-2013 01:36PM

miss_shadow wrote: »

Have your morals been tested by someone or a situation and had to keep quiet or did you let rip?

As part of my job customers will often drop in laptops to be fixed. This one guy needed me to do a hard drive recovery on his laptop. There was nothing incriminating on it but there were hundreds of photos of random girls pics off facebook. Turned out he was downloading them off their profiles without these girls knowledge.

I deleted the photos and when he came to collect the laptop I told him I'd permanently erased the photos I'd found and he could find someone else to fix his laptop.

Creep.

padd b1975 · 17-01-2013 01:39PM

curlzy wrote: »

While I can understand your anger OP, you'll just get yourself in trouble if you say anything. My own grandmother was "raised" in an orphanage by the Sisters of "Mercy", (mercy my hole) and I have a very strong dislike of nuns, priests etc but if I bump into them in a professional capacity I act professionally. A rant wouldn't do any good anyways, if they've half a brain they know the horrific things they did, if they don't well sure your rant won't change that.

Just be glad you've never done anything so disgustingly horrific and have to live the rest of your days knowing what you did.

What other options were available?

Aethists of Mercy Orphanage perhaps??

Nah... doubt there was.

Míshásta · 17-01-2013 01:43PM

Giving babies, born out of wedlock, for adoption was seen as the proper thing to do by society at large up to a generation ago. Even girls 'caught out' who had the support of family and close friends didn't keep their babies unless they were going to get married. This was not only the case in Ireland but in other western countries as well. You just can't blame the Church for all society's standards at the time. There was very little state support for unmarried mothers at the time so unless the woman had independent means keeping the baby just wasn't an option. Also women who had babies out of wedlock would have practically little chance of finding another partner.

Agree or disagree with life as it was at the time, that's just how it was.

Some of the Nuns' orders who looked after unmarried pregnant mothers until they had their babies were performing a service that was not available elsewhere.

This is not in any way to excuse any cruel abuses carried out by nuns in Magdalene laundries or in houses for women with problem pregnancies but please don't be so judgemental if you don't know all the facts.

Kichote · 17-01-2013 01:44PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

As part of my job customers will often drop in laptops to be fixed. This one guy needed me to do a hard drive recovery on his laptop. There was nothing incriminating on it but there were hundreds of photos of random girls pics off facebook. Turned out he was downloading them off their profiles without these girls knowledge.

I deleted the photos and when he came to collect the laptop I told him I'd permanently erased the photos I'd found and he could find someone else to fix his laptop.

Creep.

What exactly is the problem? If you look at anybody's fb profile do you not "download their pictures without their knowledge" and do these people not put these pictures up out of their own free will for everyone to download?

Merkin · 17-01-2013 01:44PM

I agree that the Magdelene Laundries were a hotbed of abuse, cruelty and depravity and I think it disgusting that so many of the evil people behind the ill-treatment will never be held accountable.

HOWEVER, there is no way in hell that you can have an issue with this old nun when everything you think you know is based entirely on conjecture and speculation. In one sentence you're saying she helped with the adoption of babies to the States, then that there "is news" (which means a rumour essentially) of her having been involved and in the next sentence you mention that you've read a book on the Magdelene Laundries.

You can't base a one-woman with-hunt on assumptions and scant knowledge of an extremely complex and disturbing topic. To take a "stand" on this would be foolish in the extreme and I wouldn't go about victimizing anyone based on gossip and what the "news" is.

BUBBLE WRAP · 17-01-2013 01:46PM

Kichote wrote: »

What exactly is the problem? If you look at anybody's fb profile do you not "download their pictures without their knowledge" and do these people not put these pictures up out of their own free will for everyone to download?

Are you having a laugh??

Sarky · 17-01-2013 01:58PM

Míshásta wrote: »

You just can't blame the Church for all society's standards at the time.

Given the level of influence the church had in shaping society at the time, yes you bloody can.

Boombastic · 17-01-2013 02:02PM

Be professional in your work. You are there to provide healthcare, not moral judgement. If you can't be professional about it, maybe your in the wrong job.

Rented Mule · 17-01-2013 02:02PM

Sarky wrote: »

She'll be dead soon. Why bother doing anything?

Because these people need to pay for their crimes against the children/women of Ireland.

LivelineDipso · 17-01-2013 02:04PM

Another factor is this nun was a member of a mind control cult. She was programmed to do such things by the psychopathic cult leaders: the TDs, the bishops and cardinals.

The Irish Catholic church was a very different beast here than in other countries. The entire population of the 26 counties was obstensibly trapped within a Jonestown style situation from the 1930's-70's.

She may well be a victim of the Holy Catholic Ireland cult too. Forced into the nuns by her rural family.

Hindsight is 20/20.

hoodwinked · 17-01-2013 02:06PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

Because these people need to pay for their crimes against the children/women of Ireland.

who are these people exactly?

i ask as if you see a nun or priest walking down the street how do you know if they are guilty of these crimes?

Kichote · 17-01-2013 02:07PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Are you having a laugh??

I find it strange that someone who claims to fix laptops would be outraged that someone saved freely available images from the internet onto their hard drive. Maybe it was just the browser cache they were in but even if they werent I don't see the problem. Would he be outraged if I saved one of his boards posts to a .txt file?

Hannibal Smith · 17-01-2013 02:11PM

nuns got away with a lot. priests have been dragged over hot coals over their abuses (and rightly so)...but I dont remember hearing of any nuns being held accountable individually for the abuses they carried out?

some vague recollection is coming to my mind of one particular nun who may have gone to prison...but I'm not sure.

I don't why nuns haven't been convicted of anything.

If I was certain this nun carried out abuses all my senses would be telling me give her the same treatment she doled out to the vulnerable in her care.

if all she did was hand the babies over...she was just doing her job.

Leftist · 17-01-2013 02:12PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Unless you or your family were affected by (alleged) past misdeeds, it's none of your business.
What's the OP supposed to do? Go to the Gardai on foot of what is just 'talk'?

like I said and same to this post, does the same logic applies to other crimes?

If a man kidnaps a child on the street, is it 'none of our business' if we are not related to them?

Outrageous logic.

gobnaitolunacy · 17-01-2013 02:35PM

Leftist wrote: »

like I said and same to this post, does the same logic applies to other crimes?

If a man kidnaps a child on the street, is it 'none of our business' if we are not related to them?

Outrageous logic.

What are you? The Simon Weisenthal of nuns?

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 02:47PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

What are you? The Simon Weisenthal of nuns?

He's right though. People complain about catholic Ireland yet for some reason dont mind nuns or priests who are responsible for crimes against children walking the street. I take it the same people wouldnt mind working with larry Murphy?

strobe · 17-01-2013 02:55PM

Candie wrote: »

How droll.

But no, as I've said its indefensible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand it though.

Oh I agree, and I actually agree with most of your other post. Just amused by the parallels.

I Heart Internet · 17-01-2013 02:56PM

curlzy wrote: »

While I can understand your anger OP, you'll just get yourself in trouble if you say anything..... A rant wouldn't do any good anyways, if they've half a brain they know the horrific things they did, if they don't well sure your rant won't change that.

Just be glad you've never done anything so disgustingly horrific and have to live the rest of your days knowing what you did.

This is all assuming the lady in question is guilty of anything at all, except being a nun and living in Ireland where some people have convinced themselves that all priests, nuns and brothers are guilty of carrying out abuse.

The OP asked about moral dilemas. The moral dilema here is wether or not to allow prejudice to decide that this lady is guilty based on (from what the OP tells us is) nothing more than rumour.

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 03:08PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

He's right though. People complain about catholic Ireland yet for some reason dont mind nuns or priests who are responsible for crimes against children walking the street. I take it the same people wouldnt mind working with larry Murphy?

Yes I would, I have worked with people who have committed some very nasty acts. I am not paid to judge them, I am there to supply a service, if I can't do that I am in the wrong job.

As the OP works in a medical area, then the same should apply to her.

miss_shadow · 17-01-2013 03:09PM

Míshásta wrote: »

Giving babies, born out of wedlock, for adoption was seen as the proper thing to do by society at large up to a generation ago. Even girls 'caught out' who had the support of family and close friends didn't keep their babies unless they were going to get married. This was not only the case in Ireland but in other western countries as well. You just can't blame the Church for all society's standards at the time. There was very little state support for unmarried mothers at the time so unless the woman had independent means keeping the baby just wasn't an option. Also women who had babies out of wedlock would have practically little chance of finding another partner.

Agree or disagree with life as it was at the time, that's just how it was.

Some of the Nuns' orders who looked after unmarried pregnant mothers until they had their babies were performing a service that was not available elsewhere.

This is not in any way to excuse any cruel abuses carried out by nuns in Magdalene laundries or in houses for women with problem pregnancies but please don't be so judgemental if you don't know all the facts.

But hmm they could have been a bit nicer to the inmates. Given support, if this happened to me no doubt I'd be fu ked up for life, and maybe it was unfortunate to have a baby out of wedlock the least these assholes could have done is release their adoptive files to the people that so desperately want them.

BUBBLE WRAP · 17-01-2013 03:12PM

Kichote wrote: »

I find it strange that someone who claims to fix laptops would be outraged that someone saved freely available images from the internet onto their hard drive. Maybe it was just the browser cache they were in but even if they werent I don't see the problem. Would he be outraged if I saved one of his boards posts to a .txt file?

That is completely different, that chap was obviously a prev and a danger to society!

eviltwin · 17-01-2013 03:12PM

miss_shadow wrote: »

But hmm they could have been a bit nicer to the inmates. Given support, if this happened to me no doubt I'd be fu ked up for life, and maybe it was unfortunate to have a baby out of wedlock the least these assholes could have done is release their adoptive files to the people that so desperately want them.

Good point, its easy to say it was the times etc but many of these women are still making life difficult for the women whose babies were taken and to the children of these women, they seem to have learned very little about compassion in the intervening years.

17-01-2013 03:13PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Your a better person than me so

I can't understand a woman who can beat a pregnant girl, insult her, take her child from her while she is screaming to be allowed to keep him and have nothing but comtempt for her and feel she is getting what she deserves. These women were cold hearted bitches, I hope if there is a hell there is a special part just for them.

Actually I couldn't agree more. I can't understand it either, but I think its important we see it in the context of what they thought was right at the time.

I'm not saying that people didn't know it was wrong, but that most people were pretty powerless in the face of the prevailing mores as dictated by the biggest social force in the country at the time, and an organisation to which they belonged and pledged their complete obedience.

I Heart Internet · 17-01-2013 03:14PM

Any more facts to inform your moral dilemma OP?

If it's just office rumour with a dash of "read a book recently" thrown in then isn't there a chance you could be wronging this person?

eviltwin · 17-01-2013 03:16PM

Candie wrote: »

Actually I couldn't agree more. I can't understand it either, but I think its important we see it in the context of what they thought was right at the time.

I'm not saying that people didn't know it was wrong, but that most people were pretty powerless in the face of the prevailing mores as dictated by the biggest social force in the country at the time, and an organisation to which they belonged and pledged their complete obedience.

I don't buy that, okay the done thing at the time was an unmarried mum didn't keep her baby but that makes no excuse for the violence those women had to endure. That wasn't socially acceptable back then but those nuns didn't care.

steddyeddy · 17-01-2013 03:18PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Yes I would, I have worked with people who have committed some very nasty acts. I am not paid to judge them, I am there to supply a service, if I can't do that I am in the wrong job.

As the OP works in a medical area, then the same should apply to her.

Yes and I agree. If I was the op I would say nothing. My post was in relation to societies easy treatment of clerical offenders.

Odysseus · 17-01-2013 03:19PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

That is completely different, that chap was obviously a prev and a danger to society!

In what way was he a danger to society?

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