If Hitler Won the War

FloatingVoter wrote: »

It was just an exaggerated Paris. Speer was an adequate architect and Hitler a failed artist. Making everything bigger doesn't make it better.

True, though Hitler wasn't that bad an artist. Quite competent with architectural subjects actually.

Rebelkell wrote: »

We all would have got a nasty surprise as the nazi's viewed us a step above the Jews on par with the slavs.

And no the nazis didn't regard us as a "step above the Jews on par with the slavs". He had Irish relatives by marriage. Indeed the Nazi propaganda ministry produced quite a few Pro Irish and British movies for German audiences.

Still at least there would be no itinerant gangs driving around the country beating up old people.

Oh FFS Can we have a special Boards godwin regarding Travelers? Call it the Connors maybe.

Difference Engine wrote: »

If Hitler won the war AH wouldn't have a PC brigade to complain about. There'd be no threads about Islam, gay marriage wouldn't be an issue and certainly no immigrants to worry about.

Welfare threads would be a thing of the past (as would most welfare recipients). Mods would actually be the Gestapo instead of just being compared to them.

Cats and beards would be the only topics of the day.

It would be a mods dream really, just there'd be no one left to moderate as all you bleeding heart liberals would have been sent east.

The big thing about all this conjecture is even if he had won, change would happen over time. Its a given. Hell AH wouldnt exist in it's current form is the interweb had been around in 1950's Ireland. Hell it would have been on thin enough ice as late as the 1970's. The Irish media, bad enough as it can be today was heavily controlled by state and church in this country from the get go. Censorship was very strong and basic shíte like divorce etc came very recently to this nation. Nazism would have been a nice enough fit, just like it was in catholic Italy(and Germany), though in both cases lone clerics bravely took stands while the church itself hedged it's bets.

bluecode wrote: »

In fact it was almost impossible for Hitler and Germany to win the war. He completely underestimated the Soviets for a start and he had no regard for the Americans. If he had he would never have gone to war with either of them. Plus he was a crap general who ignored all professional military advice.

Very true. I think they might have won the war or forced a peace if adolf had stood back and let his generals work, though they would have needed a lot of luck. Possible scenario? They near as dammit wipe out the BEF at Dunkirk, don't bother with a battle of Britain and simply corral the UK and try and starve them to the table. Then delay attacking Russia until they have Europe sorted and don't sign any pact with Japan.

Then again militarily their big problem was they were for the most part based around the army and tactical in nature, not strategic. They had good weapons, but not suited to strategic purposes. No long range bombers for a start. Their bombers were almost exclusively engaged as part of infantry support. This was a major disadvantage which became greater with time.

But there is one thing many people don't consider. Hitler was a sick man by 1945, not helped by his quack of a Doctor. He would not have survived much longer anyway even if there wasn't another attempt to kill him.

The thing to remember is that the German military took an oath of loyalty directly to Hitler. When he died so did the oath. Hitler was very careful to keep his cronies at each others throats. So there was no natural successor. There could easily have been a something of a civil war between the SS and the German army led by different factions. Himmler fancied the job. So did Goering and the military generally despised the Nazis. Once released from their oath they would happily have rounded up all the Nazi leadership and shot the lot.

It could have been very messy indeed.

True. IIRC Hitler's idea was the Fuhrer title would pass on, but voted in by a nazi senate. More likely might be that the various local states run by prominent nazis would be a loose collection of mini states vying with each other. Like you I reckon the military would have tried to wrest power for themselves, so a likely leader might have been a general or field marshal. Himmler I reckon wouldn't have lasted long. Outside the SS he was disliked even hated, even within the SS particularly the fighting men on the ground he wasn't respected like other figures. The allies thought him a prick and a joke and they ignored his entreaties to talk in the end game. Goering had been wildly popular before the war. Old war hero and all that, but by 1940 was pretty much ridiculed and increasingly ignored by those around him and his men, plus he was a major morphine junkie so the brain was gone. Rommel would have been a shoe in for the job had he lived. Not a full blown nazi(tho a major follower of hitler), so palatable for the more "liberal" and a well respected military leader loved by his troops, plus liked and admired by his enemies, who might be willing to talk with him.

In the end thank fook this thread is speculation and they failed.