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Is "Anonymous" right to expose possible small-minded sick town culture?

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  • #62
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Normally don't really agree with these leaking of things before a court case comes up but that seems pretty amazingly shocking and is a great argument for non-local led policing!
    Madam_X wrote: »
    Yeah.

    In fairness thats not a particularly good example because that case was a bit confusing on the first read in terms of the convictions and description, meaning people probably read it thinking that the rape conviction was handed out to the first guy that she went to the room with because she was too drunk to give consent, where as far as I understand it, it was thought reasonable by the jury that she consented to sex with him (I understand that consent can be withdrawn at anytime obviously) but not the other two lads because she had passed out by that stage. Though I'm not reading through 49 pages of posts because I'm sure probably somebody did say something offensive there
    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Yet another example.

    Because Slapper was used in the OP? Actually genuinely confused by this one
    Edit Ok I see you point after reading on a page or two but haulagebasher (who I presume your refering to) I would really hope was trolling (and was banned)
    emzolita wrote: »
    if this is the story that had the documentary about it it's very hazy. The girl says no in the video, but then later is sitting in her nip rubbing herself, asking the guy to do stuff to her. it's all very strange.

    say thats something different alright can't see a documentary coming out till after court.


  • #63
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    im invisible wrote: »
    i think i saw this film

    I'm not sure if you were jesting or not but in reality, there is apparently some true life films out there (my wife tells me and I vaguely remember them) made for TV which document similar occurrences before.


  • #64
    midlands paranormal researcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭midlands paranormal researcher


    yes


  • #65
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    jill_valentine wrote: »

    It's not just the money though. In a small town, there's a tendency to "protect their own", as if crimes like this don't really count if they're done by people you know. Ah shur, they're good lads really, they just lost the run of themselves/ boys will be boys/ shur his poor father worked with me for years, what'll it do to him?

    I'd say most people on boards would have an idea of how easily and frequently drink driving crashes and stuff like that can be swallowed up in small towns. Because "ah, he was just acting the eejit, he has his whole life ahead of him etc etc."

    And honestly, I can't remember the last thread about a rape conviction in Ireland here where somebody didn't come in with the classic "I'm sure there's more to the story...etc" line within the first few pages.


    Such as this case not so long ago-

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/bouncer-gets-seven-years-for-sex-assault-1978715.html

    The courtroom also witnessed extraordinary scenes as 50 people, mostly middle-aged and elderly men, queued past the press box to shake the hand of the convicted man and hug him after he was brought from the cell to the dock.

    I imagine cases like that in the OP, and the case above, happen a hell of a lot more often than people would like to believe, but they manage to be better covered up is all.


  • #66
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Very interesting piece i hope these guys are jailed. Horrible pricks.


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  • #67
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Fox_In_Socks wrote: »
    I don't know how I feel about this. I read it and yeah, I agree that something needed to be done to expose them. But what if they got their facts wrong and exposed someone who was totally innocent or has the same name as that person in the town?

    It appears that there has been a lot of fact checking and verification done by one site alone.
    It being America, I'm sure this was done alone to cover their backside legally against liable/slander litigation as much as possible.
    They state this themselves quite clearly.

    As the town appears small (although no numbers are given I think) enough, I'm also assuming that those named will be easily distinguishable and locally known.
    (Open to be wrong)

    If there was two people with same names - what they do alone might let people know who is the right person and who is the wrong person.
    Silly example: There could be a 18 year old "Joe Smith" on a football team and another 80 year old "Joe Smith" living on a farm/different area.
    Which one would most people think was involved in a teenage rape and attended a party full of teens with recording mobiles.


  • #68
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    NYT article from Dec 16 2012 - in comparison to Anonymous files see how little is known, how the article is sympathetic towards the boys/team and how its opinion is coloured against the victim and the blogger.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html

    ETA: some more from Jezebel.com on how the story was (not) unfolding before Anonymous.

    http://jezebel.com/5969076/we-wouldnt-know-about-the-steubenville-rape-case-if-it-wasnt-for-the-blogger-who-complicated-things

    Jezebel has a whole series of articles on college/football rapes. It's almost a category in itself. I read it only occasionally and there is always one case or another going on.


  • #69
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Now that its out in the open, find a tree and hang the rapists.

    Then publically flog all the inbreds that covered it up.


  • #70
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    mhge wrote: »
    NYT article from Dec 16 2012 - in comparison to Anonymous files see how little is known, how the article is sympathetic towards the boys/team and how its opinion is coloured against the victim and the blogger.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html

    Chilling. Genuinely chilling.
    He said that online photographs and posts could ultimately be “a gift” for his client’s case because the girl, before that night in August, had posted provocative comments and photographs on her Twitter page over time. He added that those online posts demonstrated that she was sexually active and showed that she was “clearly engaged in at-risk behavior.”


  • #71
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Chilling. Genuinely chilling.

    Yes, and note how NYT repeats it without a word of comment, while there is plenty of innuendo towards the girl and the blogger.


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  • #72
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    mhge wrote: »
    NYT article from Dec 16 2012 - in comparison to Anonymous files see how little is known, how the article is sympathetic towards the boys/team and how its opinion is coloured against the victim and the blogger.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html

    Thanks.

    That one article alone exposes the bad thinking there was previously to Anon' exposing the issue further.

    One example from your link:
    This season, the coach, who is used to winning, had to do without Mays and Richmond. But others who were at the parties and might have witnessed the suspected assault continued to play on the team. Saccoccia, a 63-year-old who brims with bravado, was the sole person in charge of determining whether any players would be punished.

    Saccoccia, pronounced SOCK-otch, told the principal and school superintendent that the players who posted online photographs and comments about the girl the night of the parties said they did not think they had done anything wrong. Because of that, he said, he had no basis for benching those players.

    I read the above alone with incredulity.
    No basis for benching his players?
    They were only present at a possible rape, maybe witnessed it, maybe could have given evidence and/or spoke up for the girl, done or said anything previously?

    ...But no, the team must be able to play on!
    Some things continue to bewilder me at times...

    I mean what the hell!
    What about posting under-age sexual related pics?
    I think that alone might be illegal enough to warrant something by the coach?

    The latter parts of that article are certainly biased towards the team - its all it goes on about at one stage.
    How just the team might be effected!
    What about the victim?

    I suppose what can one expect - the paper posted about the rape of the girl into its sports section - not even into its very news section!
    Depressing mentality.


  • #73
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    We were raped and it is being covered up :(

    Damn politicians!


  • #74
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Biggins wrote: »

    No basis for benching his players?
    They were only present at a possible rape, maybe witnessed it, maybe could have given evidence and/or spoke up for the girl, done or said anything previously?

    ...But no, the team must be able to play on!
    Some things continue to bewilder me at times...

    I mean what the hell!
    What about posting under-age sexual related pics?
    I think that alone might be illegal enough to warrant something by the coach?

    You're shocked by the coach's attitude! Allegedly he is as bad as all the rest involved in this disgusting incident.
    Coach Saccoccia’s motto to his boys is: “lie till you die”. The moment he became aware of the gang rape he attempted to hold off sheriff deputies when they seized the telephones and other electronic items belonging to the perpetrators, meanwhile encouraging his “boys” to delete everything.


  • #75
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    up for anything wrote: »
    You're shocked by the coach's attitude! Allegedly he is as bad as all the rest involved in this disgusting incident.

    Sadly indeed so.


  • #76
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    up for anything wrote: »
    You're shocked by the coach's attitude! Allegedly he is as bad as all the rest involved in this disgusting incident.

    It is an amazing experience to read the NYT article with the Anonymous who's who in hand. You get a glimpse of how the media operate. I would expect better from NYT.


  • #77
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    I know of an incident where two boys from a well-known Dublin rugby-playing school gave a girl some sort of animal sedative (one of the boys father is a vet) and raped her at a party.


  • #78
    jluv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭jluv


    Having lived in the USA for nearly 20 years,while I'm shocked and appauled by what happened to this girl,I'm not shocked by the "cover up". It seemed the be all and end all to be a "jock". For parents it is bragging rights plus scholarships to the best colleges which would otherwise cost a fortune. For schools it means funding and again bragging rights. It really is just like the movies where girls will always want to be the girlfriend of the captain of the team. Social media has IMO for once been a positive to highlight this injustice and hopefully send a message that indeed this type of behavior is not above the law and can no longer be covered up to "save the reputation of the "jock" or the school.
    On wondering why they did this? Perhaps because they've been adored,pandered to and led to believe that they can do no wrong as long as they play good football,they simply believed it..


  • #79
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    jluv wrote: »
    On wondering why they did this? Perhaps because they've been adored,pandered to and led to believe that they can do no wrong as long as they play good football,they simply believed it..

    Also from what the files say it is suspected that she was not the only victim, there could be a few others before her. It's likely that nothing happened afterwards and they got bolder.


  • #80
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Biggins wrote: »
    Is "Anonymous" right to expose possible small-minded sick town culture?

    Yes, yes and yes again.


  • #81
    A_Sober_Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Yes of course...

    By any standard, the actions of the rapists and the town in general is criminal and immoral, anyone involved should be punished to the fullest extend of the law


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  • #82
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    mhge wrote: »
    Jezebel has a whole series of articles on college/football rapes. It's almost a category in itself. I read it only occasionally and there is always one case or another going on.

    College rape and its association with bro culture is scary stuff, and weirdly under the radar even as rape reporting goes. The following stuff refers to fraternities, but a lot of it would seem relevant to football teams and the like too -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_rape
    Fifty-five to seventy percent of gang rape perpetrators belong to fraternities. Eighty-six percent of off-campus attempted rape or sexual assaults are at fraternity houses.[11] College gang rape tends to be perpetrated by middle- to upper-class men.[12]

    There are higher incidents of gang rape within fraternities for many reasons: peer acceptance, alcohol use, the acceptance of rape myths and viewing women as sexualized objects, as well as the highly masculinized environment. The Neumann study found that fraternity members are more likely than other college students to engage in rape.[11] Part of the prevalence of fraternity rape may be due to the fact that some colleges do not have complete control over the privately-owned fraternity houses
    Twenty-five percent of American college males admitted to sexual coercion in some form.[1] Another study done by the National Institute of Justice estimated that one-fifth to one-fourth of women in college are victims of sexual assault


  • #83
    Higher
    Site Banned Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭Higher


    Gyalist wrote: »
    I know of an incident where two boys from a well-known Dublin rugby-playing school gave a girl some sort of animal sedative (one of the boys father is a vet) and raped her at a party.

    I'm sure you do :rolleyes:


  • #84
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    Higher wrote: »
    I'm sure you do :rolleyes:

    Whether you choose to believe it or not does not alter the fact that it happened. You'd no doubt prefer to believe that these things only happen in other countries.


  • #85
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Gyalist wrote: »
    Whether you choose to believe it or not does not alter the fact that it happened. You'd no doubt prefer to believe that these things only happen in other countries.

    Have you been to the Gardaí with your information?


  • #86
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    up for anything wrote: »
    Have you been to the Gardaí with your information?

    No. How would that work? "I'm here to report a suspected rape on a person who doesn't want to press charges". The girl in question hasn't even told her parents what happened to her.


  • #87
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Gyalist wrote: »
    No. How would that work? "I'm here to report a suspected rape on a person who doesn't want to press charges". The girl in question hasn't even told her parents what happened to her.

    "Dear Sir/Madam.

    I believe a crime has been committed against a person.
    I think the persons parents are unaware of the crime and the victim wishes this to remain that way.
    Meanwhile the terrible culprits are getting away with their actions.
    Is there anything you can do discreetly to look into or resolve the matter?"

    ...Or words to that effect!

    I would not only be thinking of the girl as a victim - I would also be mindful of any future ones which might be created by my inaction!
    ...Maybe my daughter or equally, someone elses daughter.


  • #88
    Steodonn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Steodonn


    Is the girl under-age ?

    If yes its an offence not to report it


  • #89
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    Biggins wrote: »
    "Dear Sir/Madam.

    I believe a crime has been committed against a person.
    I think the persons parents are unaware of the crime and the victims wishes this to remain that way.
    Meanwhile the terrible culprits are getting away with their actions.
    Is there anything you can do discreetly to look into or resolve the matter?"

    ...Or words to that effect!

    I would not only be thinking of the girl as a victim - I would also be mindful of any future ones which might be created by my inaction!

    I'd have no legal standing as anything I reported would be hearsay. I was told of the incident by her best friend.
    Steodonn wrote: »
    Is the girl under-age ?

    If yes its an offence not to report it

    No, she had just completed her LC.


  • #90
    skyfall2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭skyfall2012


    I saw a report like this about 10 years ago some college kids in the US raping and recording the rape, they had a party which 2 call girls were invited to, one of the call girls left after a while but the other one did drugs with them and well the images I saw still haunt me today. It was so depraved.


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  • #91
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Gyalist wrote: »
    I'd have no legal standing as anything I reported would be hearsay. I was told of the incident by her best friend.

    I honestly understand the position you were/are in.
    Its a tough one.
    The only thing I can add is that a clue the Gardi might further gain by even speaking to someone, might put them on track further with any prior cases which might have occurred.
    Any more even trails of possible evident is better than nothing at all.

    Again, I understand the position you was/is in so I cannot throw stones when I haven't been in your predicament.


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