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Is "Anonymous" right to expose possible small-minded sick town culture?

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  • #32
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Pippa Middleton's Arse wrote: »
    To save me reading lots. What did they expose exactly? Information from where?

    They collected a lot of emails and phone material which exposed it seems, attempts by local people/officials, to keep the matter quiet at first and the culprits out of the courts if possible.


  • #33
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    To be honest I wouldn't even go into the detailed analysis of the town culture etc that was exposed, on a much more basic level Anon has just provided evidence that these people admitted to their vile attack, on camera, with their faces and voices identifiable to anyone who knows them.
    Given that the issue of consent obviously makes it very hard to establish whether a rape was actually a rape, these guys have pretty much sealed their own convictions by going into such detail on camera, and if the court still won't convict them, they'll go through absolute hell on a personal level from their friends etc.

    As I've said before on this subject. Expositions like this wouldn't be necessary if people had any confidence in the legal system to get the job done. It's exactly like when they tried to out the cyberbully who drove some poor girl to suicide - people wouldn't feel the need to resort to vigilantism if they felt the legal system would adequately deal with scumbags.

    Being honest, if someone assaulted me in Dublin I'd much rather put up a video of it on YouTube and utterly ruin my assailants' reputations, rather than taking them to court where they would get a "suspended sentence" (IE, walk away scott free).

    Vigilantism isn't a good thing, but it has a root cause. That cause is the fact that the justice system is SO out of touch with reality and with the times we live in.


  • #34
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Depending on what info they exposed (I think it was a video of some of boys joking about the rape), I'm pretty okay with what they did.
    I normally dislike mob justice but I honestly can't find a reason to be against it.


  • #35
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Pippa Middleton's Arse wrote: »
    Have you examples?
    Yeah.


  • #36
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Mob justice is no justice at all, regardless of whether or not that mob are behind computer screens.

    "Mob justice is better than no justice at all" is a better statement in my view - in Ireland anyway, most criminals get suspended sentences these days, like the girl who glassed a barman a few weeks back so viciously that he needed surgery and had permanent scarring, or like the scumbag who stole my iPhone (I found a news article about him in the Herald, drug addict, stole hundreds of iPhones and got a suspended sentence. Clearly the same guy since the article was about someone who lived in an apartment on Middle Gardiner Street which is exactly where I tracked my iPhone to using "find my iphone", at which point of course the Gardai told me there was little to nothing they could to).

    As I say... Fix the justice system and there'll be no need for vigilantism. Vigilantism only springs up to fill a void, when the general public perceive that the authorities who are supposed to protect them and punish their attackers have utterly failed to do so.


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  • #37
    LiamMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭LiamMc


    Biggins wrote: »
    It seems the raped girl was getting a local unofficial trial too judging by the disgusting words of people in her own home town.

    Ye reap what ye sow!

    You need to re-read the links you posted.
    I'm not shocked you are telling untruths.
    I'm not shocked you are micro-policing the Thread.


  • #38
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    LiamMc wrote: »
    You need to re-read the links you posted.
    I'm not shocked you are telling untruths.
    I'm not shocked you are micro-policing the Thread.

    I'm not shocked that you're not shocked.


  • #39
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Just one section of the site already linked above
    Ever since we launched LocalLeaks in June of 2011, we have received hundreds of leaks. Many of our disclosures have caused us to pause with grief for the victims of corruption or wrong-doing. But nothing has so completely moved the staff of LocalLeaks with such heart-break as this disclosure has.

    When we were presented with the copious body of material that is the source for this disclosure, all the LocalLeaks volunteers began working around the clock to organize, analyze, fact-check, verify – and prepare this disclosure for release.

    First and foremost, our heart and condolences go out to the young lady who was the victim of this brutal and brazen attack, and to her family. We pray that this disclosure can bring them some comfort, and that by bringing a measure of transparency to Steubenville, Ohio perhaps also some REAL justice to the victim of this horrible crime.

    ...Finally, we KNOW from the evidence that there are not only more attackers in this “Rape Crew” out there that need to be apprehended and brought to justice, but we are absolutely certain there are more victims as well. We know of at least three other girls who were drugged and gang raped by “The Rape Crew” last year

    Simply shocking.


  • #40
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    Yes absolutely. Don't see it as trial by internet or mob justice, they exposed the truth by cathering evidence and releasing to a public forum so real justice could be done.

    Anonymous are like a cyber A-team.


  • #41
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    LiamMc wrote: »
    You need to re-read the links you posted.
    I'm not shocked you are telling untruths.
    I'm not shocked you are micro-policing the Thread.

    Untruths?
    Micro-policing?

    The "Report" button is attached to every post if there is something wrong.
    I urge you to use it please.

    The comments by some people in the town seems to be giving the girl a bad name - even saying that it was all her fault.
    It appears those same people were willing to judge her locally (at a much worse level for any victim) and slander her name - but your giving out about others exposing a possible culture of small town corruption?

    Your words shows (maybe wrongly) where your priorities lie.


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  • #42
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If it didn't go public, then a lot of this would have never seen the light of day. Sure, two people would still be sent to trial, but what of the people that tried to cover it up? If Anon didn't step in, then they would have all gotten away with it scot-free. At least now there's a chance that they'll be investigated.

    While I think the likes of the war on Scientology was just a fools-errand (that didn't achieve anything), this is where Anon really proves themselves as a potential "force for good".

    They (the individuals involved) can be a force for good without all the cloak and dagger stuff & anarchist image they try so hard to live up to. And tbh, as long as they identify themselves as a part of "Anon" (whatever that is) then they won't be viewed as a force for good by those with the actual power to enforce the law and hand out justice. Members of "Anon" are wanted by police forces all over the world for their own criminal activities.


  • #43
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Pippa Middleton's Arse wrote: »

    Have you examples?

    Madam_X wrote: »
    Yeah.


    Yet another example.


  • #44
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Biggins wrote: »
    Just one section of the site already linked above

    Simply shocking.


    the actions of Anonymous here have been excellent! it seems that this story has already been picked up by major news outlets all over.hopefully the scumbag in this case will get a good dose of reality from all this exposure and it'll ruin their lives.This in turn will make other would-be scumbags reconsider carrying out any such actions.Very sad for the girl involved but at least she doesn't have to suffer the dirty smirks of the scumbags involved alone in silence-the whole world now knows what they are like.


  • #45
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Biggins wrote: »
    I hear what your saying but it apparently was a local bunch of people under the banner of "Anonymous" that went further because the legal authorises in the small town were apparently part and parcel of the silence attempts - including people at the sheriff's office.

    I could be wrong but I think in THIS case, Anonymous felt (given the material they had took time to gather - you will find some of it on the above links to download) that the authorities there could not be trusted - thus the exposure was made of them.

    That's it, it says in the files that the mother of one of the boys involved (her house was one of the scenes of the assault) was a local prosecutor and she bullied the family of the victim into dropping the case when they showed up in her office.

    Lots of other connections like this one.


  • #46
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Lisha wrote: »
    After watching tallafornia last week I thought I could not be shocked or horrified any more
    I was wrong
    Ffs what do these boys lack in life that they think it is ok to abuse some one for their sick pleasure . And to watch others violate her too
    Any efforts to punish those who commit such crimes is of course right ( as long as within the law etc)
    I can't imagine how what those boys parents are feeling
    Of course the victim Deserves the most thought. I hope she recovers as well as possible

    They basically did what was done to that Indian girl on the bus, just spared her the rod and posted about her on the internet instead.


  • #47
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Reading some of the details just about the investigating Sheriff and how some evidence went missing/deleted is depressing reading indeed.
    I suspect that sooner or later the very Sheriff's department might be under investigation given the huge publicity the matter has now received.

    Anon' gave until January first, those involved to help out or come forward.
    Its appears such people didn't so they then exposed the more hidden aspects of the raped girl case.

    Its horrible to think that there is more suffering victims out there.


  • #48
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Biggins wrote: »
    I hear what your saying but it apparently was a local bunch of people under the banner of "Anonymous" that went further because the legal authorises in the small town were apparently part and parcel of the silence attempts - including people at the sheriff's office.

    I could be wrong but I think in THIS case, Anonymous felt (given the material they had took time to gather - you will find some of it on the above links to download) that the authorities there could not be trusted - thus the exposure was made of them.

    Well if people are held to account due to the help of whoever it is, then all's good I suppose. I still wouldn't condone it as a form of justice though, or hope to see the likes of it become more common in future. Innocent people will undoubtedly get hurt if faceless and unknown people are seen to be considered as judge, jury & executioners.


  • #49
    Random_Person
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭Random_Person


    mhge wrote: »
    They basically did what was done to that Indian girl on the bus, just spared her the rod and posted about her on the internet instead.

    Exactly. They deserve all the attention, if not more, that the case in India received.

    It's sick to think that sociopaths such as these are covered for in society today and for what? Money? Each person mentioned in that link should be charged for something because they way I see it every single one of them is involved in some way. You'd think that the parents or even the goddamn sheriff would step in, see something is wrong and do something about it without thinking about themselves.

    The worst one is the lawyer parent like what type of a person is that? Her son is involved in something that sickening and she not only helps to cover it up and keep her precious son out of jail but threatens the parents of the victim and warns them not to follow up on any action etc. that she'll "drag them through the mud"? She should have any power/authority she has revoked.

    Watching that video of the guy beaming with pride about how the girl was dead, deader than anything is completely and utterly disgusting. He goes on for 12 whole minutes with no remorse, no empathy for the girl and it seems that he's in some way proud of it. If he isn't locked up, which is most definitely should be, there is something truly wrong with the world we live in. Admitting all that in a 12 minute video is simply sick but hey, if the town can make a bit of money and the only consequence is a girl getting drugged, gang raped and then urinated on, who cares?

    Scum, the lot of them. The "Rape Gang", the lawyer parent, the coach, the sheriff and anyone else involved. Makes me sick and I HOPE they all get what they most certainly deserve. If the internet is good for anything it's that things like this can spread and scum can be exposed for what they really are. It seems like it might just do too considering there has already an "Occupy Steubenville" Rally and more of them to come. Plus the story has already been picked up by CNN and The Huffington Post.

    If Anon are good for anything, it's this. I sincerely hope each and everyone involved in this sick case are show for what they really are.


  • #50
    ITS_A_BADGER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭ITS_A_BADGER


    Jesus H Christ, that is terrible, Its the stuff that you would imagine would be in a novel, The whole town basically covering up the gangrape and protecting the fukkin football team and telling the girl its here fault for being drunk when she was givin a date rape drug. Honestly this is just a westernized version of what went on in india minus the iron bar and the beatings. It just goes to show again that people are arseholes, when there is money at stake, people will protect the money rather than acknowledge the awful truth and expose the animals for what they are and shame their whole hometown. Yes i agree wholeheartedly that anon did the right thing here and show up the town for what it is


  • #51
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    The Honorable Jane Hanlin is a Prosecuting Attorney for Jefferson County and the mother of Big Red football player Charlie Keenan, who is suspected of being a member of “The Rape Crew”.

    When the family of the victim went to file the charges, Jane Hanlin was present. She strongly discouraged them from filing. Hanlin frightened not only the victim, but the parents as well.

    localleaks.blogs.ru

    If this turns out to be true this nasty maggot needs to go to jail. If the justice system starts failing people and protecting the privileged then it's time for people to start doing shit like this and exposing small-town perversion.

    I know if that was my daughter I'd be off to the gun store (if justice didn't prevail).


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  • #52
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    My name is URL wrote: »
    ...Innocent people will undoubtedly get hurt if faceless and unknown people are seen to be considered as judge, jury & executioners.

    I certainly agree that in most cases, the above rings very true.
    In this one case it looks like Anon' very, very much indeed has been right to do what they did.
    Especially when they now know of more possible victims.
    (I'm fairly sure they have provided this possible additional information to someone that they think will chase it up - I hope they have.)


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolutely. This is disgusting behaviour but the attempt to cover it up is even worse.

    Even in some parts of Ireland I've seen school kids get away with everything because they were on the school GAA or basketball teams.


  • #54
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    ITS_A_BADGER wrote: »
    Jesus H Christ, that is terrible, Its the stuff that you would imagine would be in a novel, The whole town basically covering up the gangrape and protecting the fukkin football team and telling the girl its here fault for being drunk when she was givin a date rape drug. Honestly this is just a westernized version of what went on in india minus the iron bar and the beatings. It just goes to show again that people are arseholes, when there is money at stake, people will protect the money rather than acknowledge the awful truth and expose the animals for what they are and shame their whole hometown. Yes i agree wholeheartedly that anon did the right thing here and show up the town for what it is

    It's not just the money though. In a small town, there's a tendency to "protect their own", as if crimes like this don't really count if they're done by people you know. Ah shur, they're good lads really, they just lost the run of themselves/ boys will be boys/ shur his poor father worked with me for years, what'll it do to him?

    I'd say most people on boards would have an idea of how easily and frequently drink driving crashes and stuff like that can be swallowed up in small towns. Because "ah, he was just acting the eejit, he has his whole life ahead of him etc etc."

    And honestly, I can't remember the last thread about a rape conviction in Ireland here where somebody didn't come in with the classic "I'm sure there's more to the story...etc" line within the first few pages.


  • #55
    JupiterKid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,960 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Yes. Absolutely yes. Name and shame.


  • #56
    emzolita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭emzolita


    if this is the story that had the documentary about it it's very hazy. The girl says no in the video, but then later is sitting in her nip rubbing herself, asking the guy to do stuff to her. it's all very strange.


  • #57
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    emzolita wrote: »
    if this is the story that had the documentary about it it's very hazy. The girl says no in the video, but then later is sitting in her nip rubbing herself, asking the guy to do stuff to her. it's all very strange.

    :confused:


  • #58
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    emzolita wrote: »
    if this is the story that had the documentary about it it's very hazy. The girl says no in the video, but then later is sitting in her nip rubbing herself, asking the guy to do stuff to her. it's all very strange.

    You mean "A Question of Consent"? It's not related to that at all.


  • #59
    Biggins
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    emzolita wrote: »
    if this is the story that had the documentary about it it's very hazy. The girl says no in the video, but then later is sitting in her nip rubbing herself, asking the guy to do stuff to her. it's all very strange.

    There is that aspect which could be viewed by some but remember about the actual age of the girl and additionally the state she was in when the rape supposedly took place.

    1. She was legally much under age and
    2. She was unconscious (this was even video commented upon by one person I believe) and thus in no state to say "Yes" or "No".


  • #60
    Lone Stone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    I just read all that on the website there, thats seriously messed up stuff but it shows the power of the internet and how it should be used for the good of people, and it should be kept that way. Anonymous ftw.


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  • #61
    Fox_In_Socks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Fox_In_Socks


    I don't know how I feel about this. I read it and yeah, I agree that something needed to be done to expose them. But what if they got their facts wrong and exposed someone who was totally innocent or has the same name as that person in the town?


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