Enterprise Generator Van Enters Service

Jamie2k9 · 14-09-2012 04:31PM

There are 4 compatible generator vans now

Thats good I thought only 3 were done.

Plus 10 more lying around...

They will be crushed soon.....

Losty Dublin · 14-09-2012 04:58PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Have NI/IE done any forward planning for Belfast services. There are 4 enterprise sets of which 3 are used. Have they kept another Gen Van for the future if the fourth set was to be used to increase services.

There is only 3 sets for traffic. The so called 4th set is just the spare carriages.

Chrisplayfair · 14-09-2012 05:38PM

From what i've been told it seems that if the van fails on the Enterprise the HEP on the locomotive cannot provide power for the train as the electric wiring is different and won't pass through the van....

goingnowhere · 14-09-2012 07:14PM

The gen van as two generators, so even if you lose one the fact the train power system a dual bus system means most systems stay working

LXFlyer · 15-09-2012 04:39PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Have NI/IE done any forward planning for Belfast services. There are 4 enterprise sets of which 3 are used. Have they kept another Gen Van for the future if the fourth set was to be used to increase services.

The remaining set is effectively a maintenance spare. Were it to be in full time use there would be scope for carrying out any maintenance on the rest of the rolling stock.

Any additional services would have to be provided by alternative rolling stock, such as 22K sets.

Jamie2k9 · 09-10-2012 12:52AM

EGV 89613 now in service, spotted it yesterday.

Jamie2k9 · 30-10-2012 02:52PM

Anyone know whats the problem with the entreprise over the last week or so. A set failing everday or being delayed up to an hour. Are the EGV causing problems or is it the set that hasn't one yet.

bikeman1 · 30-10-2012 03:02PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Anyone know whats the problem with the entreprise over the last week or so. A set failing everday or being delayed up to an hour. Are the EGV causing problems or is it the set that hasn't one yet.

206 + 7 DDs and no van noted on the 20:50 Belfast last night and this worked into Dublin on the 06:50 this morning. So if there is a problem it seems to be with the van sets.

Losty Dublin · 30-10-2012 03:37PM

bikeman1 wrote: »

206 + 7 DDs and no van noted on the 20:50 Belfast last night and this worked into Dublin on the 06:50 this morning. So if there is a problem it seems to be with the van sets.

It is more likely to be locomotive relatedl; there has been a few sit downs on the Dublin-Cork services inside the last few weeks.

Jamie2k9 · 30-10-2012 03:44PM

It is more likely to be locomotive relatedl; there has been a few sit downs on the Dublin-Cork services inside the last few weeks.

The ICR havn't being great recently either a lot of faults/failures to. IR have loads of problems at once then nothing for weeks. I did see around 5 201's at the shed in Heuston late last week so must be related. Good to hear the EGV are not causing any problems.

Jamie2k9 · 25-12-2012 08:03PM

All 3 EGV are now in service since Sunday according to IRN.

Captain Chaos · 26-12-2012 12:21PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All 3 EGV are now in service since Sunday according to IRN.

That's good, there were two failures last week. 227 failed at Connolly but hauled the set to Belfast empty which means the fault was with the DD stock and not the loco. 208 failed at Belfast so 112 dragged it to Connolly where an 071 dragged it over to Inchicore for attention.

CIE · 26-12-2012 04:51PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

That's good, there were two failures last week. 227 failed at Connolly but hauled the set to Belfast empty which means the fault was with the DD stock and not the loco. 208 failed at Belfast so 112 dragged it to Connolly where an 071 dragged it over to Inchicore for attention.

Still remains funny how HEP works everywhere else on the globe except Ireland. Do the leprechauns sabotage the HEP or something? So thanks to this intransigence (from whatever level in IE bureaucracy) against HEP, the Enterprise and Dublin-Cork trains have to haul around a non-revenue carriage.

26-12-2012 05:01PM

CIE wrote: »

Still remains funny how HEP works everywhere else on the globe except Ireland. Do the leprechauns sabotage the HEP or something? So thanks to this intransigence (from whatever level in IE bureaucracy) against HEP, the Enterprise and Dublin-Cork trains have to haul around a non-revenue carriage.

This was already explained to you. AC, especially three phase, cannot be reliably generated with prime mover HEP due to the variable speed. Therefore the 201s have to run at full bore to do it.

Jamie2k9 · 26-12-2012 08:32PM

That's good, there were two failures last week. 227 failed at Connolly but hauled the set to Belfast empty which means the fault was with the DD stock and not the loco. 208 failed at Belfast so 112 dragged it to Connolly where an 071 dragged it over to Inchicore for attention.

Its good but not stopping constant failures. A set failed at lunchtime on Monday and all remaining services scheduled for the set were replaced by NIR sets.

SeanW · 27-12-2012 10:02AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All 3 EGV are now in service since Sunday according to IRN.

I hope they're going to have one spare: as these will fail/need maintenance from time to time.

Jamie2k9 · 27-12-2012 07:14PM

SeanW wrote: »

I hope they're going to have one spare: as these will fail/need maintenance from time to time.

I asked if there was an extra one but they have 3 and thats it.

27-12-2012 07:25PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I asked if there was an extra one but they have 3 and thats it.

They do have four but maybe only three are serviceable. 89604, 89605, 89608 and 89613.

Jamie2k9 · 27-12-2012 08:33PM

They do have four but maybe only three are serviceable. 89604, 89605, 89608 and 89613.

They only need 3 sericeable at a time so at least they do have a spare.

Losty Dublin · 27-12-2012 11:00PM

SeanW wrote: »

I hope they're going to have one spare: as these will fail/need maintenance from time to time.

Mark 3 Carriages don't need as much servicing as newer units due to their lacking a lot of mechanics and fancy stuff. I'd say the easier option would be to drop a Genny and use HEP for the odd trip if needs be.

dowlingm · 28-12-2012 05:13AM

If circumstances demanded a reversion to four sets rather than the current 3 long plus spares it would be nice to have one EGV per set.

Captain Chaos · 31-12-2012 10:42PM

Well the 3 EGVs together didn't last long.

230 passed me today at 15:40 in HEP mode on set 9004. No EGV to be seen.

Jamie2k9 · 25-03-2013 07:31PM

There was an EGV at Inchicore yesterday, would of expected any issues to of being resolved by now.

LXFlyer · 25-03-2013 11:01PM

Bizarrely enough all rolling stock does need to be serviced from time to time.

Captain Chaos · 25-03-2013 11:03PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There was an EGV at Inchicore yesterday, would of expected any issues to of being resolved by now.

Could have been the spare, there are 4 and 3 are needed at any one time.

Jamie2k9 · 26-03-2013 12:11AM

Bizarrely enough all rolling stock does need to be serviced from time to time.

They are just about in service five minutes and they need to be serviced already. Anyway are NIR not going to take care of that side of things.

Could have been the spare, there are 4 and 3 are needed at any one time.

Not the spare it came from Connolly AFAIK.

pointsman · 27-03-2013 09:06PM

Yesterday and today - All 3 diagrams have HEP in use and NO Mk3 EGV in the formations.

Captain Chaos · 27-03-2013 09:57PM

pointsman wrote: »

Yesterday and today - All 3 diagrams have HEP in use and NO Mk3 EGV in the formations.

Suppose that explains why 209 moved back onto Cork diagrams last week so.

Not good for the EGV project, all the pre work, test trains and still there are serious underlying issues or seems to be at least.

Jamie2k9 · 27-03-2013 10:01PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Suppose that explains why 209 moved back onto Cork diagrams last week so.

Not good for the EGV project, all the pre work, test trains and still there are serious underlying issues or seems to be at least.

Lets just hope that IE havn't wasted time and money for the project. Anyone know what are the problems as when they are in operation they are fine but get taken off soon after.

LXFlyer · 27-03-2013 10:44PM

Perhaps there is a modification programme required for them for whatever reason. It can happen.

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