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Another mass shooting in the U.S

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  • #932
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Guns don't kill people... rappers do.


  • #933
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    azul wrote: »
    He's entitled to his opinion as are you, but I don't think it's correct to judge whether another individual is enlightened or not by a particular comment they make.
    When a poster says the father of a brutally slain 6 year old child deserves an oscar for his performance, I think having an opinion that that is not an enlightened view, is a fair one.

    Not a very enlightened thing to say on a public forum.
    So you also believe it is a statement of insight to say a parent of a murdered 6 year old child deserves an oscar for their performance? As in, they were acting distraught throughout the whole 6 minute video?


  • #934
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    I agree with other posts , it is far to easy to buy a gun . It is about time the gun laws are reviewed . How many more must suffer


  • #935
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    We are now learning Adam Lanza was prescribed Fanapt (ILoperidone) in the weeks up to the shooting
    We're learning the opposite according to the police:
    http://www.ctpost.com/default/article/Search-yields-gaming-electronic-evidence-but-no-4125717.php


  • #936
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    I agree with other posts , it is far to easy to buy a gun . It is about time the gun laws are reviewed . How many more must suffer

    How difficult should it be?


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  • #937
    Alessandra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    azul wrote: »
    The guy seems to be totally relaxed and in control before the interview, he actually swaggers up to the camera like a professional actor. Very odd indeed.

    What we saw was only 10 seconds of footage! Out of context... I severely doubt the man was laughing about about his child's murder!


  • #938
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Alessandra wrote: »
    What we saw was only 10 seconds of footage! Out of context... I severely doubt the man was laughing about about his child's murder!

    Yes, here is a longer version.


  • #939
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    Sparks wrote: »
    We're learning the opposite according to the police:
    http://www.ctpost.com/default/article/Search-yields-gaming-electronic-evidence-but-no-4125717.php

    Jonathan Lanza said Adam was taking Fanapt but It's not been confirmed by police, yet although it's more likely he was taking something.

    Have a look at http://www.ssristories.com/index.php which documents similar violent attacks by people taking meds.


  • #940
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Apparently the Wesboro Bastard Church are going to picket the funeral of the principal.

    What a shower of absolute cunts they are.


  • #941
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    Jonathan Lanza said Adam was taking Fanapt but It's not been confirmed by police, yet although it's more likely he was taking something.
    Police have searched his home and found nothing. There's no evidence of any prescription according to them.


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  • #942
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    Sparks wrote: »
    Police have searched his home and found nothing. There's no evidence of any prescription according to them.

    Yes, but the article also says investigators are using search warrants to obtain medical records so we're not in full possession of the facts.

    Moreover, why would Jonathan Lanza say Adam was taking Fanapt?

    I'm just waiting on what's revealed from medical records.


  • #943
    yammycat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭yammycat


    anybody see this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w

    the 'father' of one of the victims, laughing and joking with the camera crew , then going into character to weep for the cameras

    very suspicious


  • #944
    EdenHazard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    really is extremely odd but i mean its not like this is a movie, its real life. im sure he has his reasons for it, but yeaaah strange.


  • #945
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,168 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Grief can have the oddest effect on people. Now if, as a result of this massacre, some-one could come up with a way to stop the proliferation of guns held and used illegally in the US, there might be a reduction in the numbers of people shot dead in the US. Most of the interest is on licensed weapons and owners.

    Just on a so and so point, not all the people shot dead are innocents, assuming the statistics also include Criminals killed in shoot-outs and exchanges with Law Enforcement agents, plus some of the same Agents. If we look at gun fatalities here in Ireland, most of such deaths seem to be carried out by criminals using illegally-held fire-arms.


  • #946
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,333 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    MadsL wrote: »
    How difficult should it be?

    Very


  • #947
    Recidivist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭Recidivist


    Piliger wrote: »
    Cars are designed to transport people. This use of the car analogy is ridiculous. GUNS are designed to KILL people. A very different thing. There is NNO cost/benefit to the ownership of guns across society.


    Piliger – I used the car analogy to try to avoid the kneejerk reaction “Guns are bad”. Clearly a large percentage of the population want to retain the right to bear arms.

    It seems that mass shootings stemming from psychotic illness are going to continue. The severity of such incidents is determined by liberties allowed by the 2nd Amendment.

    How many deaths would be an acceptable cost of keeping the status quo?

    What can be done to reduce this price tag?


  • #948
    wordsmithi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭wordsmithi


    FISMA wrote: »
    A Nativity play in a public school in the States? I doubt that.

    Source?

    I read in the newspaper. that a child was playing the part of an angel.
    Her costume was shown.
    I don't know where the nativity play was set. I didn't go all detective over it.
    The poor child was shot dead at the tender age of six. May she rest in peace.


  • #949
    wordsmithi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭wordsmithi


    Alessandra wrote: »
    What we saw was only 10 seconds of footage! Out of context... I severely doubt the man was laughing about about his child's murder![/QUOTE

    His daughter was murdered. So how is it a hoax? Nervous in front of all the cameras and the media. I saw a man on the news who was a pathologist or forensics who examined the horrific scenes and he was making a little bit of humour with the media. You could tell that he was in shock and wasn't used to being in the spotlight.


  • #950
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I can't believe there are people trying to say this is a hoax.

    Fuckers are worse than the shooter.


  • #951
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Grief can have the oddest effect on people.

    True-I remember my mother and her brother getting a fit of the giggles at their father's funeral (as in, in the church). The heightened emotions in general can bring about hysteria.

    However, this man was not seemingly hysterical- he just responded with a polite smile to something someone in front of him said.

    He wasn't chuckling away, or even laughing out loud, just a friendly and polite smile. It's a natural response.


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  • #952
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I can't believe there are people trying to say this is a hoax.

    Fuckers are worse than the shooter.

    For some people the idea that a big, shadowy organisation planned this for some ill defined, often contradictory goal, is a safety blanket.

    It's more comforting to think this was all planned and therefore everything is neatly 'explained' then to accept that the world is brutal, uncaring place and terrible shit can and does happen without any definable reason.


  • #953
    books4sale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭books4sale


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I can't believe there are people trying to say this is a hoax.

    Fuckers are worse than the shooter.

    All you have to do is go over to the CT forum to find the real time bombs of society. Nutjobs who have lost all sense of reality.

    Pay no heed to them! They just find conspiracies in everything because they enjoy the attention. A sad way to live one's life.


  • #954
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Never been on CT and don't intend to.

    Don't get me wrong, groups conspire all the time, especially large groups. It's the natural order of things, whether that's conspiring to vote along a party line, or taking your country to war. It happens.

    However, saying that the likes of this or the Holmes massacre was a conspiracy, or hoax is more mind numbing than the "arm the teachers" nonsense that's been bandied about.

    It's utterly lamentable.


  • #955
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Recidivist wrote: »
    Piliger – I used the car analogy to try to avoid the kneejerk reaction “Guns are bad”. Clearly a large percentage of the population want to retain the right to bear arms.

    It seems that mass shootings stemming from psychotic illness are going to continue. The severity of such incidents is determined by liberties allowed by the 2nd Amendment.

    How many deaths would be an acceptable cost of keeping the status quo?

    What can be done to reduce this price tag?

    Free access to mental health, for starters - given that the gun lobby are unlikely to budge.


  • #956
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    azul wrote: »
    The guy seems to be totally relaxed and in control before the interview, he actually swaggers up to the camera like a professional actor. Very odd indeed.

    Not odd at all. I've seen over the years how people deal with loss and grief. There's no handbook on how to behave or conduct yourself.


  • #957
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    books4sale wrote: »
    All you have to do is go over to the CT forum to find the real time bombs of society. Nutjobs who have lost all sense of reality.

    Pay no heed to them! They just find conspiracies in everything because they enjoy the attention. A sad way to live one's life.

    I'll say it again. Free access to mental health. Not just for the would be lone gunmen of this world.


  • #958
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    wordsmithi wrote: »
    I can't understand how people think it is a hoax when it is a true fact that the children were murdered by a very disturbed individual whose name is Adam Lanza.

    Because, sadly some people cannot handle reality and take refuge in conspiracy theories, religions, wild fancies and so on.

    It's bad taste at the very least but we should offer these individuals our help, they clearly need it.


  • #959
    paperclip2
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    yammycat wrote: »
    anybody see this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w

    the 'father' of one of the victims, laughing and joking with the camera crew , then going into character to weep for the cameras

    very suspicious


    In the days after my brother was killed in a road accident there was a lot of laughter in our house. Remembering the things he'd said and done. Speculating about what he would think of the goings-on and imagining his take on the things people were saying about him. At his funeral quite a few priests officiated. My sister turned to me and whispered 'Its like being at a KKK rally.' Sitting in the front pew of the church I seriously got the giggles.

    It wasn't that I didn't care he was gone or that I didn't cry my eyes out when I was alone.
    You cant predict grief. You cant reason with shock. When something overwhelms you so completely your mind will do its best to protect you. That includes humour. It can insulate you from the agony for a while. But it doesn't last. The pain is real and will be felt.
    Those parents and families in Newtown are in agony and will be for years. I don't presume to judge how they choose or need to deal with a loss so crippling. Neither should anyone else.


  • #960
    doolox
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    Fear and its removal from the general populace is the key to solving Americas gun problem. The government is not trusted to protect people like it appears to be trusted here in Ireland.

    Remember that the newly installed Free State government had a big problem getting rid of guns and the gun culture after the civil war and war of independence in the 1920's.

    They still have a large problem with illegal guns despite being an island with generally lowly armed neighbours with a similar non gun stance to our own.

    America has a large land border with Mexico which has a history of lawlessness and banditry across that border, this may account for the gun loving nature of the Texans.

    Large areas of the US West are isolated and far from instant protection of the professional law enforcement, hence their attachment to guns. I'd dare say you will find an increase in gun ownership and affinity in rural areas of Ireland as populations decrease and young people emigrate and leave aging , fearful, parents behind. Couple this with increasing joblessness, debt, poverty and desperation and you have a potential recipe for disaster. Add the recent reduction in police numbers and the closing of Garda Stations and you have a failure of our nation to protect their most vulnerable and exposed people, guess where many will turn to for protection?

    The Americans need to ochestrate an increase in police presence and responsiveness to emergencies and a nationwide reduction on guns. If one State goes it alone the neighbouring states will be seen to have an "advantage" in terms of better guns and less restrictions and this will lead to breaking the rules through fear.

    A widespread publicity campaign outlining the disadvantages of guns will ned to be rolled out. I doubt this will be done quickly or easily as the gun lobby is so powerful.

    Most guns are low tech and easy to make, Northwest Pakistan has thousands of workshops turning out handmade replicas of very servicable semi and fully automatic weapons and there is also a thriving refill industry for the required ammo, all very easy to do unless proper policing is put in place, as we found out in our own troubles in the North.

    You need to get into the minds of the gun loving population to effect proper gun control.


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  • #961
    wordsmithi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭wordsmithi


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    In the days after my brother was killed in a road accident there was a lot of laughter in our house. Remembering the things he'd said and done. Speculating about what he would think of the goings-on and imagining his take on the things people were saying about him. At his funeral quite a few priests officiated. My sister turned to me and whispered 'Its like being at a KKK rally.' Sitting in the front pew of the church I seriously got the giggles.

    It wasn't that I didn't care he was gone or that I didn't cry my eyes out when I was alone.
    You cant predict grief. You cant reason with shock. When something overwhelms you so completely your mind will do its best to protect you. That includes humour. It can insulate you from the agony for a while. But it doesn't last. The pain is real and will be felt.
    Those parents and families in Newtown are in agony and will be for years. I don't presume to judge how they choose or need to deal with a loss so crippling. Neither should anyone else.

    Conspiracy theorists should read this carefully and realise that predicting how people act in awful circumstances is not really possible. May all those poor people who were murdered rest in peace.


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