Another mass shooting in the U.S

dd972

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-respond-us-school-shooting-reports-153441807.html

condolences to those affected, wonder though if these will go on indefinately and the gun culture of the U.S is set in stone

UrbanSea

Can't believe the stupidity of a huge number of Americans defending the gun laws over there. It seems no matter how many of these mass shootings occur they'll still defend it

TwoShedsJackson

Paging RtdH to this thread stat, to start ranting about Obama, RFIDs and 'artillery'.

mikom

Manicmoran and MaDSL are onroute to this thread.
ETA approx page 2.

mike65

Someone went nuts in a shopping arcade in Oregon I think it was a few days ago.

DEFTLEFTHAND

It was a primary school and everything. How old was the gunman?

B.A._Baracus

This shit is happening too much in the states...

aaronjumper

How many kinds of messed up do you have to be to shoot kids?
Insane.

statesaver

Sad to say but this does not surprise me anymore.

On to the next shooting ........... and the next ............... and the next .........

And they still won't change the gun laws

27 dead, 14 are children they're saying now. How sad

ElChe32

More nutters with easy access to guns. Horrible story, my heart goes out to the families and friends of those lost.

jack presley

statesaver wrote: »

Sad to say but this does not surprise me anymore.

On to the next shooting ........... and the next ............... and the next .........

And they still won't change the gun laws

27 dead, 14 are children they're saying now. How sad

The mentality over there is if more people had guns and were armed, the shooter would have been stopped before he killed so many. Sad, but that's the way gun activists think over there.

gidget

Very Sad

Between this & the guy who went into an elementary school in China with a knife & went on a slashing rampage. Nutjobs

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

jack presley wrote: »

The mentality over there is if more people had guns and were armed, the shooter would have been stopped before he killed so many. Sad, but that's the way gun activists think over there.

rationally?

RosyLily

Awful!! What possesses someone to do this in an elementary school??

Obama, the Senate & House of Representatives should now get together and begin to change the gun laws. This cannot keep happening.

Has any President took on the NRA?

statesaver

jack presley wrote: »

The mentality over there is if more people had guns and were armed, the shooter would have been stopped before he killed so many. Sad, but that's the way gun activists think over there.

Aye. I've heard them saying that before. Madness.

BobbyPropane

Disgusting. Americans need to get their heads out of their asses and ban gun ownership.

Remmy

Fcukin hell that's terrible.

mike65

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

rationally?

Arm the teachers I say, and the kids.

Suryavarman

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Disgusting. Americans need to get their heads out of their asses and ban gun ownership.

Crime is bad enough in America without the catastrophic increase that would occur if gun ownership was banned.

kincsem

So sad. The usual reaction is an increase in gun sales.

ibarelycare

An elementary school??? Jesus it's like Dunblane all over again So so sad. What is wrong with people?

keith16

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

rationally?

There is nothing rational about that line of thought.

ItAintMeBabe

What goes through a persons head when they decide they're going to step in their son's elementary school and open fire on children?
Absolutely tragic, RIP all who lost their lives.

Sunnyisland

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1214/school-shooting-connecticut.html


At least 27 dead

wp_rathead

Hartford Courant sources say many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom.

f*ck this world

Lapin

Jesus Christ the Six-One News say the death toll is at least 27.

I didn't think it was that many.

What the fúck is up with someone who would do something like that ?

My heart goes out to the poor families awaiting the dreaded news.

Awful memories of Dunblane flooding back.

Suryavarman

keith16 wrote: »

There is nothing rational about that line of thought.

Actually it's very rational and backed up by a lot of empirical evidence.

My name is URL

wprathead wrote: »

f*ck this world

Well, fcuk parts of it.

bigron2109

Sad News. Poor Kids. And the Poor families having to go through this.

WalterX

I moved to the US for work about a year ago, and from what I've seen, this type of thing isn't going to stop anytime soon. Even Obama hasn't made any serious move to try to curb gun ownership.

keith16

Suryavarman wrote: »

Actually it's very rational and backed up by a lot of empirical evidence.

That being the case I would be delighted if you could provide a link or source. It would seem incredibly counter intuitive.

Killer Wench

It seems to be a father of a student.

Re: guns

I don't own a guy and no plans to own one but I will say that there are millions of Americans who do and there are millions of responsible owners. These shootings are tragic and unnecessary but this behavior is not indicative of an entire population.

If someone goes into a kindergarten class to kill as many as possible it won't make a huge difference if they're armed with a gun, a knife or a baseball bat. Well, if the teacher had a gun it might.
There's quite regular school attacks in China, usually not involving guns but I doubt those affected care about the weapon of choice. It's the mentality of the people who carry out such attacks that's the problem, not the laws.

Such a ****in tragic case, when I heard the number I was hoping it'd be followed by "injured" rather than dead.

Stinicker

What are the odds bullying is ultimately responsible for this? In Ireland children commit suicide but in the United States they go and commit homicide.

Tightening up Gun Laws will not stop those type of things, Guns are a part of US Culture and trying to get the Gun out of the American Psyche is like trying to tell Irish people give up the drink. It will never happen.

Stinicker

Stinicker wrote: »

What are the odds bullying is ultimately responsible for this? In Ireland children commit suicide but in the United States they go and commit homicide.

Tightening up Gun Laws will not stop those type of things, Guns are a part of US Culture and trying to get the Gun out of the American Psyche is like trying to tell Irish people give up the drink. It will never happen.

Don't go changing your mind when you read the already available info.

Chavways

I can see this being the last straw for the anti-gun camp. There'll be a long, messy battle to get much more stringent guns laws introduced that will probably be resisted by half the population.

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

it won't make a huge difference if they're armed with a gun, a knife or a baseball bat.

I'd sooner take my chances with someone armed with a bat tbh. I don't know how anyone can say that it makes no difference what they are armed with. Of course it does make a difference =/

Witcher

Firearms laws will never change in the US, naive to think they will.

Thargor

Chavways wrote: »

I can see this being the last straw for the anti-gun camp. There'll be a long, messy battle to get much more stringent guns laws introduced that will probably be resisted by half the population.

If all the others didnt change anything neither will this, I bet I could even go back in 2013 and quote this post in the thread for the next massacre.

statesaver

WalterX wrote: »

I moved to the US for work about a year ago, and from what I've seen, this type of thing isn't going to stop anytime soon. Even Obama hasn't made any serious move to try to curb gun ownership.

Maybe since this is Obama's last 4 years and does not need votes he might make one final attempt to take on the gun lobby in the US.

Like to think he would anyway given that there could be 14 or more children killed today

dark crystal

Lots of presents not going to be opened this Christmas.

What an awful tragedy for those poor children and their families. What sort of repugnant bastard would shoot innocent little children like that. I just can't comprehend that level of evil.

RIP little ones.

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

I'd sooner take my chances with someone armed with a bat tbh. I don't know how anyone can say that it makes no difference what they are armed with. Of course it does make a difference =/

If someone went into a class full of 5 year olds with a baseball bat the only limit on the numbers they'll kill will be their fitness.

aloyisious

Even though this might sound silly or illogical, there's a push by the Gun-owners lobby to have state laws banning concealed-weapons overturned, so that those with licensed fire-arms can carry weapons under their clothing. Some of the states have laws licensing licensed fire-arms owners to carry concealed weapons.

This was mentioned after the Cinema shooting incident, claiming that if even one licensed-firearms owner member of the audience had been able to wear a concealed weapon legally, there was a chance that such a person might have in the cinema with a weapon and could have used it to shoot the shooter.

Cosmicfox

Blay wrote: »

Firearms laws will never change in the US, naive to think they will.

It's not as if they can though. The guns are already out there. I can't imagine how you'd go round taking them off everyone. It's too late for any of that.

Anyway, what's happened is very sad .

brummytom

aloyisious wrote: »

Even though this might sound silly or illogical, there's a push by the Gun-owners lobby to have state laws banning concealed-weapons overturned, so that those with licensed fire-arms can carry weapons under their clothing. Some of the states have laws licensing licensed fire-arms owners to carry concealed weapons.

This was mentioned after the Cinema shooting incident, claiming that if even one licensed-firearms owner member of the audience had been able to wear a concealed weapon legally, there was a chance that such a person might have in the cinema with a weapon and could have used it to shoot the shooter.

And shoot another 5 people in the cross-fire?

My name is URL

Cosmicfox wrote: »

It's not as if they can though. The guns are already out there. I can't imagine how you'd go round taking them off everyone. It's too late for any of that.

There were 11,000,000 new guns sold in the US in 2011. Making laws stricter today would definitely impact on how many guns are circulating in a few years time.

Conmaicne Mara

aloyisious wrote: »

Even though this might sound silly or illogical, there's a push by the Gun-owners lobby to have state laws banning concealed-weapons overturned, so that those with licensed fire-arms can carry weapons under their clothing. Some of the states have laws licensing licensed fire-arms owners to carry concealed weapons.

This was mentioned after the Cinema shooting incident, claiming that if even one licensed-firearms owner member of the audience had been able to wear a concealed weapon legally, there was a chance that such a person might have in the cinema with a weapon and could have used it to shoot the shooter.

I get what you're saying & agree with you.

But prepare yourself to be descended upon by them who think they know better :rolleyes:

Jayob10

its the rationale that ordinary folk can acquire automatic weapons that is baffling. Theres simply no need for them. I'd personally believe theres no need to have firearms at all but the right to carry weapons that can kill en mass is just staggering, as there is no justification for it. Chuck the hunter from Alabama should not be allowed buy a firearm that can fire god knows how many rounds in 30 seconds.

News like this will galvanise the likes of the NRA, in a warped way. Their blinkered view will be that, "We need guns to defend ourselves from such a madman".

Its sad, but very true. The more mad men carrying them and incidents like this, the more these pro gun folk will be determined to arm themselves to protect their families. Its a vicious circle.

Witcher

Cosmicfox wrote: »

It's not as if they can though. The guns are already out there. I can't imagine how you'd go round taking them off everyone. It's too late for any of that.

Anyway, what's happened is very sad .

That's what I mean, there's no register of firearms in the US so they can't round them up like people on these threads seem to think.

yoyo

aloyisious wrote: »

This was mentioned after the Cinema shooting incident, claiming that if even one licensed-firearms owner member of the audience had been able to wear a concealed weapon legally, there was a chance that such a person might have in the cinema with a weapon and could have used it to shoot the shooter.

Was the guy not Kevlared up to the teeth? Good luck trying to take down an armored lunatic armed with a m15 with a 9mm! Very very tragic story, when I first heard the news it was 3 injured, unbelievably sad reading the latest reports . RIP to all the victims, especially upsetting this close to Christmas. Hopefully the US will soon tighten up gun laws and ownership. Doubt it will ever happen though and all we will see is a repeat of these events

Nick

Sand

Coincidentally the BBC is reporting a school attack in China today where 22 children have been wounded by a guy with a knife. School attacks in China aren't rare - 20 children have been killed in them in recent years. Gun ownership is a coincidental factor in these cases - not a cause. Even if private gun ownership was entirely banned in the US you would still have gun crime.