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Another mass shooting in the U.S

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  • #902
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Piliger wrote: »
    GUNS are designed to KILL people.
    Mine aren't. Therefore not all guns are, and your statement is no longer a black and white absolute.
    Thing is, this happens a lot when you talk about this topic - people who think they know enough about the technical aspects of firearms to make such statements, generally don't. And their arguments are, as a result, flawed. And that's one of the reasons that in the US, the pro-ban/anti-ban camps won't listen to each other anymore; one camp thinks the other camp is evil and the other camp thinks the first camp is just plain wrong about everything because they keep getting technical details incorrect. (There are other reasons, as there always are when people call other people murderers, but that's one of them).
    Piliger wrote: »
    What you miss is that it's not only about the technicality of what you correctly point out above ... it is a matter of principle.
    Ah, principle, why didn't you say?
    Here we were, thinking you were looking for a practical solution.


  • #903
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Piliger wrote: »
    MASSIVELY higher in the US than ANY other country. Fact.

    Source?


  • #904
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭deandean


    Lest we should go off topic:
    The names and ages of those killed at the school:
    Charlotte Bacon, 6
    Daniel Barden, 7
    Rachel DaVino, 29
    Olivia Engel, 6
    Josephine Gay, 7
    Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 6
    Dylan Hockley, 6
    Dawn Hochsprung, 47
    Madeleine F. Hsu, 6
    Catherine V. Hubbard, 6
    Chase Kowalski, 7
    Jesse Lewis, 6
    James Mattioli, 6
    Grace McDonnell, 7
    Anne Marie Murphy, 52
    Emilie Parker, 6
    Jack Pinto, 6
    Noah Pozner, 6
    Caroline Previdi, 6
    Jessica Rekos, 6
    Avielle Richman, 6
    Lauren Russeau, 30
    Mary Sherlach, 56
    Victoria Soto, 27
    Benjamin Wheeler, 6
    Allison N. Wyatt, 6


  • #905
    wordsmithi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭wordsmithi


    A shiver goes down by spine when I see the photo of the gunman. He was one creepy looking guy. Awkward in company but also extremely bright at school. His eyes are so strange, glaring out at you. He shot and killed his own mother and flees to the school to harm small children. The photos of all the beautiful children he killed were on the front page of the newspaper the other morning. Images of innocence, gentleness, and beauty . They were looking forward to being in the nativity play, and getting ready for Santa Claus and Rudolph to come down the chimney next week.

    The murderer shot them not just once but multiple times. A real monster. It is dreadful, absolutely heartbreaking news. One deranged, oddball created hell on earth and shattered so many lives forever.


  • #906
    azul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭azul


    Unbelievable footage of father laughing before interview over his daughters death. This interview is very familiar to everyone who has been following this story in the news. WTF???


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w


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  • #907
    Alessandra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    Nervous laughter? A coping mechanism
    Even? don't think the man would even be in control of his emotions at this stage.


  • #908
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    azul wrote: »
    Unbelievable footage of father laughing before interview over his daughters death. This interview is very familiar to everyone who has been following this story in the news. WTF???

    So one guy cracking a nervous smile means the whole thing was a hoax?

    Not everyone deals with stuff in the same way, you know.

    It was hardly the manic laughter of a supervillain.


  • #909
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    While the debate about gun control continues over in the US, few are debating the dangers of anti-depressants and atypical anti-psychotic drugs.

    Anyone who has read some of the horror stories at http://www.ssristories.com/ will know that some of the side effects when taking anti-depressants and anti-psychotic drugs is an increase in aggression, hostility to other people and suicide (just to name a few)...however this fact is rarely if ever reported by the mainstream media.

    We are now learning Adam Lanza was prescribed Fanapt (ILoperidone) in the weeks up to the shooting.

    Some of the side effects from this drug include:
    Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently.

    Nervous system side effects including dizziness (up to 20%), somnolence (up to 15%), extrapyramidal disorder (up to 5%), tremor (3%), and lethargy (up to 3%) have been reported. Paraesthesia, psychomotor hyperactivity, restlessness, amnesia, and nystagmus have been reported infrequently. Restless legs syndrome has been reported rarely.

    Doesn't psychiatry have a lot to answer for?
    How can doctors prescribing these toxic chemicals call it "medicine" ?
    Just look at the side effects and tell me how someone could be cured with that sh1te!

    Bigger question is how many people in Ireland have committed violent acts of crime while taking these drugs?

    What about the number of suicides, how many were prescribed this kind of "medicine" ?


  • #910
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Alessandra wrote: »
    Nervous laughter? A coping mechanism
    Even? don't think the man would even be in control of his emotions at this stage.

    I guess if this video is pulled from UTube within 24 hours we will smell a rat..


  • #911
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,461 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I guess if this video is pulled from UTube within 24 hours we will smell a rat..

    Don't start peddling your CT horsesh1t.


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  • #912
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    azul wrote: »
    Unbelievable footage of father laughing before interview over his daughters death. This interview is very familiar to everyone who has been following this story in the news. WTF???

    Really ? So how is a father of a beautiful little girl supposed to behave a day after she is slaughtered at school ? :rolleyes:


  • #913
    azul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭azul


    Alessandra wrote: »
    Nervous laughter? A coping mechanism
    Even? don't think the man would even be in control of his emotions at this stage.
    The guy seems to be totally relaxed and in control before the interview, he actually swaggers up to the camera like a professional actor. Very odd indeed.


  • #914
    LiffeyValleyB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭LiffeyValleyB


    Cash is king, you can't fight the multi-billion dollar pharma industry. You can't even question things like this without being labelled a conspiracy theory headcase.


  • #915
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Threads merged


  • #916
    azul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭azul


    Piliger wrote: »
    Really ? So how is a father of a beautiful little girl supposed to behave a day after she is slaughtered at school ? :rolleyes:
    I have absolutely no idea but I find this guys behavior very strange. What's wrong with saying that?


  • #917
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    Have to agree with you azul, never seen anything like it. Is that how bereaved parents would behave? with a big grin on his face . . .

    He deserves an oscar for that performance.


  • #918
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    More stupidity from boards based experts as always.


  • #919
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    More stupidity from boards based experts as always.

    How about you enlighten us with your expert opinion or better again, don't bother.


  • #920
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,461 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    More stupidity from boards based experts as always.

    +1 I like how everyone seems to know what it's like to deal with your grief while the world's media has a camera in your face non stop.


  • #921
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    Ah Shure...anyone would be laughing at such a delightful occasion, you'd be crazy not to.


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  • #922
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    azul wrote: »
    I have absolutely no idea but I find this guys behavior very strange. What's wrong with saying that?

    Have you ever seen the documentary Paradise Lost? It's about three teenagers who were locked up for the murders of three little boys in Arkansas. At one point one of the mothers of the murdered children is being interviewed, and just before the interview starts, she's laughing away and once they tell her they're beginning, she immediately changes and becomes sullen and grief-stricken again. It's odd, but I've never had a murdered child so I don't really understand the range of emotions that a bereaved parent may go through. I'm sure it can be quite extreme and illogical at times.


  • #923
    FISMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭FISMA


    wordsmithi wrote: »
    They were looking forward to being in the nativity play

    A Nativity play in a public school in the States? I doubt that.

    Source?


  • #924
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    Ah Shure...anyone would be laughing at such a delightful occasion, you'd be crazy not to.
    Well nobody suggested that either, just that it's not particularly important in the grand scheme of things - the man is likely to be on another planet with the shock and might even be medicated.


  • #925
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    FISMA wrote: »
    A Nativity play in a public school in the States? I doubt that.

    Source?

    Correct. A Nativity play would not be permitted in any public school in the US

    You would probably get prison for organizing one.

    They banned bible reading and common prayer in 1962.

    Teacher Faces Suspension for Sharing Bible Verse.


  • #926
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    How about you enlighten us with your expert opinion or better again, don't bother.

    You just posted that the father of a murdered 6 year old deserves an oscar for his performance. I stand by my opinion that that is a stupid comment, likely from a person closed off to enlightenment, if any was possible in such circumstances.


  • #927
    azul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭azul


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    You just posted that the father of a murdered 6 year old deserves an oscar for his performance. I stand by my opinion that that is a stupid comment, likely from a person closed off to enlightenment, if any was possible in such circumstances.
    He's entitled to his opinion as are you, but I don't think it's correct to judge whether another individual is enlightened or not by a particular comment they make. Not a very enlightened thing to say on a public forum.


  • #928
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Correct. A Nativity play would not be permitted in any public school in the US

    You would probably get prison for organizing one.

    They banned bible reading and common prayer in 1962.

    Teacher Faces Suspension for Sharing Bible Verse.
    Prison? Anywhere in the States, even the bible belt?


  • #929
    LiamMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭LiamMc


    FISMA wrote: »
    A Nativity play in a public school in the States? I doubt that.

    Source?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Correct. A Nativity play would not be permitted in any public school in the US

    You would probably get prison for organizing one.

    They banned bible reading and common prayer in 1962.

    ......

    Well they appear to have Mass Shootings in schools.


  • #930
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    You just posted that the father of a murdered 6 year old deserves an oscar for his performance. I stand by my opinion that that is a stupid comment, likely from a person closed off to enlightenment, if any was possible in such circumstances.

    Indeed so.


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  • #931
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Piliger wrote: »
    MASSIVELY higher in the US than ANY other country. Fact.

    Any word on that source for your "Fact"?


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