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Halo 4: First Impressions

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  • #212
    Mickeroo
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    murphyebass wrote: »
    So I should have been playing those from the start really by the sounds of things with others online as now they're all offline and I'm playing on me tod. :rolleyes: .. ah well theres always regicide. ... ....... We have a new King!!

    Episode 1 will be available again next week afaik. I'd also be happy to play through any episode with folks on here if they want.


  • #213
    murphyebass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Episode 1 will be available again next week afaik. I'd also be happy to play through any episode with folks on here if they want.

    Might hold you to that if I can organise an evening or weekend that I'm actually free for enough time to play it uninterupted. :rolleyes:


  • #214
    Korvanica
    Registered Users Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's the kind of map where a team that's playing with teamwork will wipe the floor with one that's not.

    All maps are like this. Teams not working together / people without mics deserve to lose every game they play. Team games are about working together. I hate being matched with micless people.

    If you dont actually have a mic fair enough. If you refuse to use it to help your team, this applies to you.


  • #215
    murphyebass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    Korvanica wrote: »
    All maps are like this. Teams not working together / people without mics deserve to lose every game they play. Team games are about working together. I hate being matched with micless people.

    If you dont actually have a mic fair enough. If you refuse to use it to help your team, this applies to you.


    Personally I think there should be specific areas for those that choose to play with mics instead of this being thrown in anywhere type thing.
    Its not like they're expensive so noone can use that as an excuse not to have one.. this ones about a fiver...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/HEADSET-HEADPHONE-MICROPHONE-FOR-XBOX/dp/B001FWQPRO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355328169&sr=8-1

    I'm not saying say no to anyone without a mic, just give people who want to work as a team a place with like minded people and then the lone wolves can go wander in the field with the other lone wolves is all.


  • #216
    Mickeroo
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    Korvanica wrote: »
    All maps are like this. Teams not working together / people without mics deserve to lose every game they play. Team games are about working together. I hate being matched with micless people.

    If you dont actually have a mic fair enough. If you refuse to use it to help your team, this applies to you.
    murphyebass wrote: »
    Personally I think there should be specific areas for those that choose to play with mics instead of this being thrown in anywhere type thing.
    Its not like they're expensive so noone can use that as an excuse not to have one.. this ones about a fiver...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/HEADSET-HEADPHONE-MICROPHONE-FOR-XBOX/dp/B001FWQPRO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355328169&sr=8-1

    I'm not saying say no to anyone without a mic, just give people who want to work as a team a place with like minded people and then the lone wolves can go wander in the field with the other lone wolves is all.

    It's very frustrating alright. Was playing CTF on Shatter yesterday. I got in our teams Mantis, destroyed the opposing one's pretty quick which should have given us a huge advantage. I was talking down the mic trying to get some of the team to rally around the mantis and come and get the flag, they just ran around like headless chickens while I got shafted trying to nab the flag. Lost the match 4 fecking 0!


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  • #217
    murphyebass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    It's very frustrating alright. Was playing CTF on Shatter yesterday. I got in our teams Mantis, destroyed the opposing one's pretty quick which should have given us a huge advantage. I was talking down the mic trying to get some of the team to rally around the mantis and come and get the flag, they just ran around like headless chickens while I got shafted trying to nab the flag. Lost the match 4 fecking 0!

    This is why I just dont bother with big maps and team games in general. Its just infuriating to be honest.

    Its all about regicide. Youre the king!! .. Never tire of hearing that.


  • #218
    maximoose
    Registered Users Posts: 9,196 ✭✭✭maximoose


    Before this came out I wasn't playing too many games on Xbox live, have noticed now that I'm back on it quite a bit that it seems mic usage has dropped significantly. When I do venture into matchmaking solo and get paired with randoms, the vast majority of the time there isn't one player on my team with a mic.

    It's mad, I remember back playing Halo 2&3 and you'd end up having to mute half of the bloody Xbox Live members cuz noone would shut up, and now noone talks at all!


  • #219
    Korvanica
    Registered Users Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    Honestly, now the mic usage is like COD (not bashing it). Noone has one, and noone works as a team. The few people that have had mics have been annoying 12 year olds who dont call out enemy locations and only talk crap.


  • #220
    [Deleted User]
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    murphyebass wrote: »
    Personally I think there should be specific areas for those that choose to play with mics instead of this being thrown in anywhere type thing...

    There used to be preferences in reach and halo 3 for that. There may still be in Halo 4, but I'm not sure they make a blind bit of difference to what turns up in search.

    Maybe we should just start up a Boardsies group where boardsies who always have their mics on 100% of the time post their gamertags and agree to party up and play as a team online. The more members we get, the better chance we'll have of always having enough people online to team up at any one time.

    I've just made a new thread. If you chat, post your info HERE


  • #221
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users Posts: 28,392 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Just a quick question....I got the LE and it includes 6 specializations, some people say they are not unlocked until you reach level 50, others say two should have been unlocked at the beginning, does anybody know which is right?


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  • #222
    Slugs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    Was discussing this with mates of mine the other night and we all agreed that party chat was both the best and worst update to XBL. While it allowed you privacy with your mates and protection from the profanity and abuse to be expected on live, it also removed you from socialising with other players. 2 years ago, I had around ninety friends, sixty percent of which were all met through XBL. With people having moved on, switched console, fallen out of touch, and the difficulty in meetig new players as everyone is in party chat, not only has my friends list dropped to forty, but around sixty percent are now people I know. It's impossible to meet and interact with decent players when everyone is in party chat with their mates or in my case, has their mic off because I never come across players who do have their mics in.


  • #223
    Mickeroo
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    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Just a quick question....I got the LE and it includes 6 specializations, some people say they are not unlocked until you reach level 50, others say two should have been unlocked at the beginning, does anybody know which is right?

    I'm pretty sure you have to reach level 50. I think they might be getting mixed up as the regular edition only has 2 specialisations (wetwork & operator i think) to choose from but you still have to reach level 50 before you can use them. After that it's ten levels for each of the 8 specialisations.


  • #224
    Turtyturd
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    With the majority of my assignments done I finally got around to starting the campaign last night, completed the first level and felt it was a bit easy. I know it's only an introduction and isn't going to be full on but even in comparison to the first level of Halo CE it seemed a lot easier, and Elites seem to die fairly easily.


  • #225
    Mickeroo
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    Turtyturd wrote: »
    With the majority of my assignments done I finally got around to starting the campaign last night, completed the first level and felt it was a bit easy. I know it's only an introduction and isn't going to be full on but even in comparison to the first level of Halo CE it seemed a lot easier, and Elites seem to die fairly easily.

    What difficulty were you playing? I found it easy going fighting the covenant too but the difficulty ramps up a bit in the 3rd or 4th mission I think.


  • #226
    Turtyturd
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    What difficulty were you playing? I found it easy going fighting the covenant too but the difficulty ramps up a bit in the 3rd or 4th mission I think.

    Have it going on Legendary,actually had to double check and make sure it was set on that. The grunts seem to take a lot more bullets with automatic weapons than previous Halo games but the Elites seem less likely to move around. From the way some people were talking on here I thought it would be a bit more challenging, but hopefully it picks up like you said.


  • #227
    maximoose
    Registered Users Posts: 9,196 ✭✭✭maximoose


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    the Elites seem less likely to move around.

    Yeah they tend to stand still and let you just pick them off from afar, shoddy AI there!

    It's def one of the easiest Halo games on legendary IMO.


  • #228
    Sierra 117
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    I didn't have a lot of trouble on Legendary. Some tricky spots here and there but it was a lot easier than I was expecting.


  • #229
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    maximoose wrote: »
    Yeah they tend to stand still and let you just pick them off from afar, shoddy AI there!

    I'd have to agree, it seems like there was a big step back from 343 in terms of the smartness of the AI. Even the knights, which were tougher, are very much prone to run & gun, where if you spray enough bullets in their direction they'll just stand there and get hit until they keel over.

    I thought the AI in reach was some of the best the series had to offer. The elites in that game dance around like wacko jacko. If you weren't engaging them with the right weapons, from the right distance, forget it, they'd moonwalk right out of the way of your shots, and it didn't matter how much ammo you had.

    Some of their flanking tactics were tricky too. Half of them would distract you with loads of cover fire, while a bunch of them would flank round the sides and never shoot at you until they had you in a crossfire or until you saw what they were at. Sneaky hoors!

    There also never seemed to be any shortage of weapons in Halo 4, except on the later levels, which was something that made the game seem a lot easier than the other installments. You were never forced to think about things like "there's feck all weapons around, how am i going to take down these 2 elites and 6 grunts with only 1 clip of a BR and one frag to my name.


  • #230
    Turtyturd
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought the AI in reach was some of the best the series had to offer. The elites in that game dance around like wacko jacko. If you weren't engaging them with the right weapons, from the right distance, forget it, they'd moonwalk right out of the way of your shots, and it didn't matter how much ammo you had.

    Some of their flanking tactics were tricky too. Half of them would distract you with loads of cover fire, while a bunch of them would flank round the sides and never shoot at you until they had you in a crossfire or until you saw what they were at. Sneaky hoors!

    Agree with this, when I was playing Reach I got stuck on the first encounter with 3/4 Elites on the very first level for ages, they would roll from side to side repeatedly and take a lot of bullets to take down, and if you tried charging at them the result was a Brogue kick to the face.
    There also never seemed to be any shortage of weapons in Halo 4, except on the later levels, which was something that made the game seem a lot easier than the other installments. You were never forced to think about things like "there's feck all weapons around, how am i going to take down these 2 elites and 6 grunts with only 1 clip of a BR and one frag to my name.

    Have only played the first level but there seems to be a shortage of decent weapons, only came across the BR at the end of the level and used all the bullets taking out Elites and Jackals from the distance, seems to be plenty of the covenant equivalent to the assault rifle lying around though.


  • #231
    -=al=-
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    AI not as good alright, I've picked off a fair few elites and the likes without any movement.... and the weapons are a plenty too... I've yet to do it on Legendary but I'm it sounds like it's far easier than 3 and Reach! Legendary on 2 was a chore at some points


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  • #232
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users Posts: 28,392 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    -=al=- wrote: »
    AI not as good alright, I've picked off a fair few elites and the likes without any movement.... and the weapons are a plenty too... I've yet to do it on Legendary but I'm it sounds like it's far easier than 3 and Reach! Legendary on 2 was a chore at some points

    My most recent experience is the re-released Halo CE, and that was a chore too at points, particularly the 'Truth and Reconciliation' level. First time I attempted it I had ditched me Sniper Rifle before getting to the hanger bay aboard the ship and found it impossible to do, had to go back and redo the whole level.


  • #233
    [Deleted User]
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    Turtyturd wrote: »
    ...Have only played the first level but there seems to be a shortage of decent weapons, only came across the BR at the end of the level and used all the bullets taking out Elites and Jackals from the distance, seems to be plenty of the covenant equivalent to the assault rifle lying around though.

    Playing for headshots is more important in this one. Enemies can be bullet sponges otherwise, especially the grunts. You could waste 2 or 3 clips of an assault rifle taking a bunch of them out before you get to the elite in command, but half a clip's worth of headshots from your pistol will save you that ammo.

    Close in on elites and engage them individually from middle distance, ideally with some cover nearby. Don't get too close though, or you'll get an overpowered smack in the chops for your trouble. A needler or a plasma pistol+headshot will wipe them out in seconds. When you see lots of them around, try to keep one or the other handy.

    Jackals should be your first target when you see them, because they run too much interference with everything else otherwise. Engage them at long distance and aim for the head. If they're using shields hit them In the hand first (left side) then in the head when they drop their shield. Any more than two or three trigger pulls on a precision weapon is too much ammo to be using to take down a jackal. get yourself to a distance where that's all it takes you to take them out before you engage them.


  • #234
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users Posts: 28,392 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Am a bit further in now and have to say things have picked up since the
    Promethean Knights
    were introduced. Still some dodgy AI though with them standing still and taking repeated headshots at times.

    There also seems to be a lot of 'defend this spot until I can do...' scenarios. Am just past the part where you have to do this with
    the mammoth
    and thought it was never going to end.


  • #235
    -=al=-
    Registered Users Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭-=al=-


    Ah playing it on legendary co-op there today

    Pretty damn easy so far nothing annoying or hard at all to sort out... also noticing lots of glitches and some action bits with a lot going on almost got it to stagger and lag on a local setting

    Banshees are awful to manoeuvre too... Has a flimsy feel to it or something in general

    Jackals are lasting forever and probably the most annoying things


  • #236
    [Deleted User]
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    Turtyturd wrote: »
    ...There also seems to be a lot of 'defend this spot until I can do...' scenarios...

    That's something that crept in around Halo 3:ODST, when they invented firefight, and it's been in the series since then. Reach was a hoor for it as well. "Hold this area while a random AI does something irrelevant to the gameplay and we chuck a load of enemies at you".

    It's a cheap way to get some play time out of a game by using the minimal amount of programming time & resources. Just like backtracking (which there's a fair amount of in halo 4 too. Fight your way through a load of enemies to get somewhere, then when you reach the goal, turn around and fight your way back through a load more that just got dropshipped in behind you...
    -=al=- wrote: »
    ...Jackals are lasting forever and probably the most annoying things

    Aim for the head with a rifle or pistol and they go down with one shot. Not playing for headshots on legendary just means you'll be short of ammo a lot.


  • #237
    DeSelby83
    Registered Users Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭DeSelby83


    Has anyone had connection problems over the last few days. Every now and again it tells me I can play war games because I'm not connected to live even I am connected. I have to go back out to dash and start the game again for it to work


  • #238
    [Deleted User]
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    DeSelby83 wrote: »
    Has anyone had connection problems over the last few days. Every now and again it tells me I can play war games because I'm not connected to live...

    XBL seems completely f**ked tonight. It's my first evening on since Christmas day and it looks like the servers have been totally overloaded with people getting halo 4 for presents or something. I played for over an hour and got 2 games. The rest of the time I was rebooting the Xbox, reconnecting to live, reloading the game etc. Annoying...


  • #239
    Browning2010
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    XBL seems completely f**ked tonight. It's my first evening on since Christmas day and it looks like the servers have been totally overloaded with people getting halo 4 for presents or something. I played for over an hour and got 2 games. The rest of the time I was rebooting the Xbox, reconnecting to live, reloading the game etc. Annoying...

    Taught it was just me, been having the same problems over xmas


  • #240
    maximoose
    Registered Users Posts: 9,196 ✭✭✭maximoose


    UPC and Microsoft have tweeted today acknowledging it and said it'll be back ASAP


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  • #241
    Synyster Shadow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭Synyster Shadow


    so what does everyone think of h4 then?

    apart from being too easy on campaign


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