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Reporting dole fraudster

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  • #32
    Gerry Manders
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31 ✭Gerry Manders


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Okay but the letter didn't actually specify what type of welfare he was entitled to?

    Secondly, unless you know of his exact circumstances... how can you be sure of what he said to the welfare was fraud?

    if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud


  • #33
    DeltaWhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭DeltaWhite


    I bet you wished you never started this thread!! Ripped to pieces is an understatement haha :D
    There is nothing to suggest that he was committing fraud! Sure the Social sent HIM the letter, so what exactly has he done wrong??


  • #34
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Gerry Manders wrote: »
    before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

    I sure hope you got that in writing. Did he also direct you to become a presumptious git as well?


  • #35
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Gerry Manders wrote: »
    if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud

    And do you have any idea, at all how long getting a claim can get take?
    Literally, months. For all you know, that man put the claim several months ago. Besides, the welfare is constantly complaining about lack of staff. Often times, I've gotten letters that are given a two week deadline to be returned but are only delivered 3 or 4 days before that deadline and I live in the city.

    Ah, he were go:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055546279

    Plenty of long times waiting to get a letter back.


  • #36
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Gerry Manders wrote: »
    if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud

    Yeah, but maybe he applied for the dole before he left, didn't realise that it was going to take so long to go through and that's all he'll ever know of it?

    He might not be actually claiming anything at all.

    If he is he'll have an expensive time of it flying home from Spain every week to pick up his dole in the post office, won't he?


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  • #37
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Gerry Manders wrote: »
    if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud
    Bi IF there bud.
    You don't know that he has claimed, only that he is now entitled to claim.


  • #38
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Let's get to the real facts here OP - did he steal one of your sandwiches, ride your girlfriend or piss in your cornflakes before he left?


  • #39
    repsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    OP can report his SUSPICIONS to welfare.If he is correct a fraud will be prevented.IF he is wrong there is no harm done.I opened letters addressed to a tenant of mine who moved away because the Gardai landed up on the doorstep 3 times with an arrest warrant for him.Whats the big deal? One letter was informing him he had been banned from driving in his absence as he failed to appear in court.Some of the mail was addressed to him using an alias.If your property is being used as an address for criminal behavior you are entitled to take steps to prevent it.When the Guards try and arrest someone they usually call very early to catch the target in bed so it is unfair on those in the property


  • #40
    Ando's Saggy Bottom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Ando's Saggy Bottom


    Gerry Manders wrote: »
    before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

    Its a pretty sh*te fraudster that allows someone he doesn't really know (and a bit of a tell-tale as well) to read post that he knows would implicate him in criminal behaviour.


  • #41
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    repsol wrote: »
    When the Guards try and arrest someone they usually call very early to catch the target in bed so it is unfair on those in the property

    I don't think the Gardai do dawn raids to catch dole fraudsters.


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  • #42
    Monty - the one and only
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Monty - the one and only


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Often times, I've gotten letters that are given a two week deadline to be returned but are only delivered 3 or 4 days before that deadline and I live in the city.
    .

    Your lucky then, I have gotten 2, 4-5 days after the deadline:mad:

    Thankfully I don't have to put up with that anymore.


  • #43
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Whats the number of the Suspicions Department in Welfare?


  • #44
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    While he was living with you, he applied for the dole and somewhere along the line, while he was waiting for the application to be processed (these things can take weeks), he changed his mind on something, perhaps staying here in Ireland and got up and returned back to spain.

    Where is the fraud here?


  • #45
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    That money was just resting in my account


  • #46
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Go down to the post office and get the money for yourself.

    Then we'll report you.


  • #47
    franktheplank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭franktheplank


    repsol wrote: »
    OP can report his SUSPICIONS to welfare.If he is correct a fraud will be prevented.IF he is wrong there is no harm done.I opened letters addressed to a tenant of mine who moved away because the Gardai landed up on the doorstep 3 times with an arrest warrant for him.Whats the big deal? One letter was informing him he had been banned from driving in his absence as he failed to appear in court.Some of the mail was addressed to him using an alias.If your property is being used as an address for criminal behavior you are entitled to take steps to prevent it.When the Guards try and arrest someone they usually call very early to catch the target in bed so it is unfair on those in the property

    I still don't think you can open someone's mail, no matter how much you believe they are a criminal.

    Perhaps the gardai or courts can but I'd imagine it would require proof or strong documented suspicion that the mail is being used for some criminal purpose. Could be wrong though any legal experts here?

    The way you're arguing it, if i think my tenant is a criminal I can freely rifle through their stuff, I doubt it.


  • #48
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    franktheplank wrote: »
    I still don't think you can open someone's mail, no matter how much you believe they are a criminal.

    Perhaps the gardai or courts can but I'd imagine it would require proof or strong documented suspicion that the mail is being used for some criminal purpose. Could be wrong though any legal experts here?

    The way you're arguing it, if i think my tenant is a criminal I can freely rifle through their stuff, I doubt it.

    if mail comes in through your letterbox then you can do what you like with it, end of.

    the mail came through to the landlords possession and house.


  • #49
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    tunedout wrote: »
    if mail comes in through your letterbox then you can do what you like with it, end of.

    I think you'll find that's not actually the law.

    However you're right in that you can probably open other people's mail that arrives at your address, dispose of it and then just deny you ever got it. But you're not supposed to do that because it's naughty.


  • #50
    franktheplank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭franktheplank


    tunedout wrote: »
    if mail comes in through your letterbox then you can do what you like with it, end of.

    the mail came through to the landlords possession and house.

    I really doubt it. I'm no legal expert by any means but I really doubt that.

    So if my neighbour's mail was delivered to my house by accident i can open it? Doubt it.


  • #51
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    franktheplank wrote: »
    I really doubt it. I'm no legal expert by any means but I really doubt that.

    So if my neighbour's mail was delivered to my house by accident i can open it? Doubt it.

    If i'm gone home for christmas and the mail comes for me. if my landlord goes to the house he is fully entitled to open and look at it. it is his property and the house is registered in his name.

    You definitely can open your neighbours post provided it comes through your po box.


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  • #52
    Duck Soup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭Duck Soup


    I'm sorry, but the original post makes no sense. A letter comes in the post saying the Spanish guy is entitled to claim dole.

    If he's in Spain, he's not claiming dole in Ireland. Call it a hunch.

    If he's claiming dole already, they wouldn't be sending him letters telling him he's entitled to claim dole.

    By sending him the letter, they are explicitly acknowledging that the person with that name and PPS Number is not currently claiming dole.

    Absolute tripe from beginning to end. Also, he did in his brown direct his landlord to open his mail. If the OP has no contact or contact details of his ex-tenant - and that much is self-evident - why would he tell someone he's no contact with to open all his mail?


  • #53
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    He turned down sex with you, OP.

    Let it go and move on.


  • #54
    Duck Soup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭Duck Soup


    tunedout wrote: »
    If i'm gone home for christmas and the mail comes for me. if my landlord goes to the house he is fully entitled to open and look at it. it is his property and the house is registered in his name.

    You definitely can open your neighbours post provided it comes through your po box.

    Wrong.

    No landlord can open your mail without permission. And you certainly can't open misdirected mail.

    Postal and Telecommunications Services Act, 1983

    84.—(1) A person who —

    (a) opens or attempts to open a postal packet addressed to another person or delays or detains any such postal packet or does anything to prevent its due delivery or authorises, suffers or permits another person (who is not the person to whom the postal packet is addressed) to do so, or

    (b) discloses the existence or contents of any such postal packet, or

    (c) uses for any purpose any information obtained from any such postal packet, or

    (d) tampers with any such postal packet,

    without the agreement of the person to whom the postal packet is addressed shall be guilty of an offence.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1983/en/act/pub/0024/sec0084.html#zza24y1983s84

    Long story short, opening someone else's mail [i.e. the person it's addressed to] is illegal and will get you nicked.


  • #55
    franktheplank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭franktheplank


    tunedout wrote: »
    If i'm gone home for christmas and the mail comes for me. if my landlord goes to the house he is fully entitled to open and look at it. it is his property and the house is registered in his name.

    You definitely can open your neighbours post provided it comes through your po box.

    Are you trolling? I really don't think so. I can't find any info on the Irish law regarding this. This is the uk version but I would imagine ours is pretty much the same.

    http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nireland/consumer_ni/consumer_post_e/consumer_problems_with_post_e/consumer_problems_with_post_delivery_e/your_post_is_being_opened_or_tampered_with_by_someone_else.htm

    Edit: I've just seen that DuckSoup has answered this correctly.


  • #56
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    tunedout wrote: »
    If i'm gone home for christmas and the mail comes for me. if my landlord goes to the house he is fully entitled to open and look at it. it is his property and the house is registered in his name.

    You definitely can open your neighbours post provided it comes through your po box.

    You can in yer hoop. :rolleyes:


  • #57
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Duck Soup wrote: »
    Wrong.

    No landlord can open your mail without permission. And you certainly can't open misdirected mail.

    Postal and Telecommunications Services Act, 1983

    84.—(1) A person who —

    (a) opens or attempts to open a postal packet addressed to another person or delays or detains any such postal packet or does anything to prevent its due delivery or authorises, suffers or permits another person (who is not the person to whom the postal packet is addressed) to do so, or

    (b) discloses the existence or contents of any such postal packet, or

    (c) uses for any purpose any information obtained from any such postal packet, or

    (d) tampers with any such postal packet,

    without the agreement of the person to whom the postal packet is addressed shall be guilty of an offence.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1983/en/act/pub/0024/sec0084.html#zza24y1983s84

    Long story short, opening someone else's mail [i.e. the person it's addressed to] is illegal and will get you nicked.

    when it's the landlords house it's addressed to him. And also on your contract you agree that you already give him permission regarding the post. He opened my bank statement only a few months ago because i told him I had transferred the rent to his account and he said it hadn't shown up in his. turned out it was the problem with the Ulster Bank glitch but at least he was able to see on my statement i had transferred it there and then.


  • #58
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    tunedout wrote: »
    when it's the landlords house it's addressed to him.

    A letter is addressed to whoever's name is on the letter/package not whoever owns the house or building it is delivered to
    And also on your contract you agree that you already give him permission regarding the post.

    What sort of leases do you sign? That is not a normal thing to be included in a lease at all.


  • #59
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Your landlord has been lying to you.


  • #60
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Did you landlord also tell you that he has the right to install 'security' cameras in your bedroom?

    DANGER!! DANGER!! :eek:


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  • #61
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Gerry Manders wrote: »
    How do I report a fraudster. A spanish guy was living in my house up until the end of last month. A letter came in the post yesterday saying he was entitled to claim the dole from today. How do I go about report him? He doesn't live here anymore so I don't see why he should be claiming dole. As far as I know he returned to Spain.

    You actually broke the law by opening a letter addressed to someone else to be honest.


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