Reporting dole fraudster

Gerry Manders

How do I report a fraudster. A spanish guy was living in my house up until the end of last month. A letter came in the post yesterday saying he was entitled to claim the dole from today. How do I go about report him? He doesn't live here anymore so I don't see why he should be claiming dole. As far as I know he returned to Spain.

joydivision

What you reading his mail for . Bit creepy landlord.

NegativeCreep

Dont you have to sign on every week? That'll be hard when he's in Spain.

Tombi!

I think it's illegal to open another person's letter?
Anyway:
https://www.welfare.ie/EN/Secure/Pages/ReportSuspectFraud.aspx

Ando's Saggy Bottom

Why are you reading someone else's post? Maybe someone should report you.

ibarelycare

You know that the internet comes with search engines now?

https://www.welfare.ie/EN/Secure/Pages/ReportSuspectFraud.aspx

http://www.welfare.ie/en/contactus/Pages/reportfraud.aspx

Mince Pie

You have no right to open another persons post. Simply return to sender and mind your own business.

gcgirl

Indeed you do have to sign each week in the post office

Teyla Emmagan

What about all that makes him a fraudster? He could be perfectly entitled to the dole here, all he needs is to have worked up the points.

Also, it's illegal to open someone else's mail.

I think we should report YOU OP!! Give us your details and I will pass them onto the relevant authorities.

marcsignal

You opened someones private mail ???

If he's not living in your house, and hasn't seen the letter, he's not even aware of his predicament. If he's back in Spain, he can't claim here anyway.

end of problem

TwoShedsJackson

Surely he'd need to actually still be here and start claiming his dole? If he is, and does, no fraud. If he's gone back to Spain he won't be claiming it, no fraud.

Mena

Where do we report mail fraud?

Plus, do you know he's gone back to Spain and not just moved to a better landl, er, place?

Death and Taxes

Gerry Manders wrote: »

How do I report a fraudster. A spanish guy was living in my house up until the end of last month. A letter came in the post yesterday saying he was entitled to claim the dole from today. How do I go about report him? He doesn't live here anymore so I don't see why he should be claiming dole. As far as I know he returned to Spain.

What evidence do you have that he is a fraudster.
By the way you do know that opening another persons post is a serious criminal offence.

SEPT 23 1989

Sneeky squealer

sfwcork

Why don't you learn "hello how are you"in Spanish,pretend to be him a collect.

Zombienosh

THEY TOOK OUR DOLEEEEE

TwoShedsJackson

Mis cojones estan muy frio, puede calentarlos con su lengua?

WoollyRedHat

Do you have proof he has gone back to Spain? Besides, surely he would have to show that letter as proof, which you have erroneously opened.
Sounds like you might have agenda as well going from the tone in your post.

stimpson

If you have been getting Jobseeker's Benefit in Ireland for at least 4 weeks and wish to go to a country covered by EC Regulations to look for work, you can receive this payment abroad for up to 78 days. To obtain this you must inform the office where you 'sign-on' at least 4 weeks before you leave so that the necessary arrangements may be made in time.

In the other country you must 'sign-on' within 7 days of the date you last signed on in your local Social Welfare Office.

Zillah

I don't understand what is happening in this thread. He gets a letter saying that he is entitled to claim the dole. You have no reason to believe that he is doing so, intends to do so, or is even aware that this letter has arrived. Indeed, it would be very hard for him to read this letter considering that you just illegally opened it yourself rather than forward it on.

You are creepy and intrusive.

monkeypants

Gerry Manders wrote: »

A letter came in the post yesterday saying he was entitled to claim the dole from today.

Was there not enough postage? Because that's all you can report him for unless you've left a lot of details out.

Celly Smunt

he probably applied for it about 6 months back,returned to spain after finding no work (from the frying pan to the fire) and has now been approved for dole.He probably has no intention of drawing the dole now.

borderlinemeath

Ok, so he went to social welfare last month and told them that

a/ He lost his job, when is he entitled to dole?
b/ He quit his job, when is he entitled to dole?
c/ He was sacked from his job, when is he entitled to dole?

For a/ he would be entitled to dole 3 weeks after he lost his job but they would have to process his claim, so most recipients sit back and wait for the letter to say that he can now claim.

For b/c, the claimant may lose up to 9 weeks (I think) social welfare entitlement as he willingly gave up/ lost through misconduct his job. So again, claim processed and he waits for the letter.

So him being from somewhere else says feck that, I'm off home, my landlord is a nosy ba$tard anyway.

So you have no right to report him given you don't know his circumstances, and yes you did an illegal thing by opening his post.

sfwcork

Op did you watch the tenant shower through the keyhole.bet you did and you thought it was ok.bet you liked it too.creepy bugger

Gerry Manders

sfwcork wrote: »

Why don't you learn "hello how are you"in Spanish,pretend to be him a collect.

ya i was thinking of putting some shoe polish in my hair and putting on some fake tan.

buenos diaz,

Rented Mule

How did you manage to read this letter OP ?

Gerry Manders

before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

sfwcork

Rented Mule wrote: »

How did you manage to read this letter OP ?

. By opening it with his hands and reading it with his eyes.how do you read letters.

franktheplank

Gerry Manders wrote: »

before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

Nah I don't believe you, I reckon you'd have said so in the OP where you've said you don't even know where he is!

Tombi!

Gerry Manders wrote: »

before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

Okay but the letter didn't actually specify what type of welfare he was entitled to?

Secondly, unless you know of his exact circumstances... how can you be sure of what he said to the welfare was fraud?

AnonoBoy

Obviously the only thing you can do in this situation is adopt a lisp Spanish accent, take daily siestas, learn to fight bulls and claim his dole.

I'm not sure why you should learn to fight bulls for this to work but I smell an even better thread in the future if you do so... TORO!

Gerry Manders

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Okay but the letter didn't actually specify what type of welfare he was entitled to?

Secondly, unless you know of his exact circumstances... how can you be sure of what he said to the welfare was fraud?

if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud

DeltaWhite

I bet you wished you never started this thread!! Ripped to pieces is an understatement haha
There is nothing to suggest that he was committing fraud! Sure the Social sent HIM the letter, so what exactly has he done wrong??

Death and Taxes

Gerry Manders wrote: »

before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

I sure hope you got that in writing. Did he also direct you to become a presumptious git as well?

Tombi!

Gerry Manders wrote: »

if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud

And do you have any idea, at all how long getting a claim can get take?
Literally, months. For all you know, that man put the claim several months ago. Besides, the welfare is constantly complaining about lack of staff. Often times, I've gotten letters that are given a two week deadline to be returned but are only delivered 3 or 4 days before that deadline and I live in the city.

Ah, he were go:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055546279

Plenty of long times waiting to get a letter back.

AnonoBoy

Gerry Manders wrote: »

if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud

Yeah, but maybe he applied for the dole before he left, didn't realise that it was going to take so long to go through and that's all he'll ever know of it?

He might not be actually claiming anything at all.

If he is he'll have an expensive time of it flying home from Spain every week to pick up his dole in the post office, won't he?

Death and Taxes

Gerry Manders wrote: »

if you claim dole from an address you don't live at then it's fraud

Bi IF there bud.
You don't know that he has claimed, only that he is now entitled to claim.

AnonoBoy

Let's get to the real facts here OP - did he steal one of your sandwiches, ride your girlfriend or piss in your cornflakes before he left?

repsol

OP can report his SUSPICIONS to welfare.If he is correct a fraud will be prevented.IF he is wrong there is no harm done.I opened letters addressed to a tenant of mine who moved away because the Gardai landed up on the doorstep 3 times with an arrest warrant for him.Whats the big deal? One letter was informing him he had been banned from driving in his absence as he failed to appear in court.Some of the mail was addressed to him using an alias.If your property is being used as an address for criminal behavior you are entitled to take steps to prevent it.When the Guards try and arrest someone they usually call very early to catch the target in bed so it is unfair on those in the property

Ando's Saggy Bottom

Gerry Manders wrote: »

before he left, he directed me to open all post directed to him

Its a pretty sh*te fraudster that allows someone he doesn't really know (and a bit of a tell-tale as well) to read post that he knows would implicate him in criminal behaviour.

AnonoBoy

repsol wrote: »

When the Guards try and arrest someone they usually call very early to catch the target in bed so it is unfair on those in the property

I don't think the Gardai do dawn raids to catch dole fraudsters.

Monty - the one and only

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Often times, I've gotten letters that are given a two week deadline to be returned but are only delivered 3 or 4 days before that deadline and I live in the city.
.

Your lucky then, I have gotten 2, 4-5 days after the deadline:mad:

Thankfully I don't have to put up with that anymore.

SEPT 23 1989

Whats the number of the Suspicions Department in Welfare?

ilovesleep

While he was living with you, he applied for the dole and somewhere along the line, while he was waiting for the application to be processed (these things can take weeks), he changed his mind on something, perhaps staying here in Ireland and got up and returned back to spain.

Where is the fraud here?

Hank Scorpio

That money was just resting in my account

Super-Rush

Go down to the post office and get the money for yourself.

Then we'll report you.

franktheplank

repsol wrote: »

OP can report his SUSPICIONS to welfare.If he is correct a fraud will be prevented.IF he is wrong there is no harm done.I opened letters addressed to a tenant of mine who moved away because the Gardai landed up on the doorstep 3 times with an arrest warrant for him.Whats the big deal? One letter was informing him he had been banned from driving in his absence as he failed to appear in court.Some of the mail was addressed to him using an alias.If your property is being used as an address for criminal behavior you are entitled to take steps to prevent it.When the Guards try and arrest someone they usually call very early to catch the target in bed so it is unfair on those in the property

I still don't think you can open someone's mail, no matter how much you believe they are a criminal.

Perhaps the gardai or courts can but I'd imagine it would require proof or strong documented suspicion that the mail is being used for some criminal purpose. Could be wrong though any legal experts here?

The way you're arguing it, if i think my tenant is a criminal I can freely rifle through their stuff, I doubt it.

tunedout

franktheplank wrote: »

I still don't think you can open someone's mail, no matter how much you believe they are a criminal.

Perhaps the gardai or courts can but I'd imagine it would require proof or strong documented suspicion that the mail is being used for some criminal purpose. Could be wrong though any legal experts here?

The way you're arguing it, if i think my tenant is a criminal I can freely rifle through their stuff, I doubt it.

if mail comes in through your letterbox then you can do what you like with it, end of.

the mail came through to the landlords possession and house.

AnonoBoy

tunedout wrote: »

if mail comes in through your letterbox then you can do what you like with it, end of.

I think you'll find that's not actually the law.

However you're right in that you can probably open other people's mail that arrives at your address, dispose of it and then just deny you ever got it. But you're not supposed to do that because it's naughty.

franktheplank

tunedout wrote: »

if mail comes in through your letterbox then you can do what you like with it, end of.

the mail came through to the landlords possession and house.

I really doubt it. I'm no legal expert by any means but I really doubt that.

So if my neighbour's mail was delivered to my house by accident i can open it? Doubt it.

tunedout

franktheplank wrote: »

I really doubt it. I'm no legal expert by any means but I really doubt that.

So if my neighbour's mail was delivered to my house by accident i can open it? Doubt it.

If i'm gone home for christmas and the mail comes for me. if my landlord goes to the house he is fully entitled to open and look at it. it is his property and the house is registered in his name.

You definitely can open your neighbours post provided it comes through your po box.