What does hiking the GNIB charge and the child benefit cut have in common

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 10:23PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You seem to have a high flying job so 300 euro isn't much.

Ireland is open to you and you are getting the opportunity to work

Administration costs money, the costs have to be covered

amtw wrote: »

People who require a GNIB card are non-EU nationals, there is free movement of member state citizens within the EU.
Those who require a GNIB card have an opportunity to come to this country to work or study and they should be welcomed. The €300 covers the cost of the administration of the system, it equates to €25 per month that is a small price to pay to have the opportunity to stay her and work or learn.

mikemac1:

Would people like you oppose the household charge and the property tax saying..."Administration costs money, the costs have to be covered" ??

02-12-2012 10:32PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Hi,

When the household charge of 100 Euros was introduced, there are lot of hue and cry. People came out in protest, the opposition MPs held rallies etc etc.

150 Euros increase in the GNIB, no one said anything. We may not be Irish nationals, but we pay our taxes and most of us just want to work here for couple of years and then return back (atleast me). We will not be taking any state pensions, free old age bus travels so on and so forth. If we don't have our jobs, then the GNIB card would not be renewed and hence we need to work hard. We do not have any dole access and the taxed we pay goes to people on dole.
10 Euros cut in child benefit also in the same lines. How much will they achieve by saving 10 euros.
But they know, the most vulnerable can be targeted most easily.

Regards,

A good portion of the charge goes towards people who post in the fancy blue ink. Who's supposed to pay for these colour mad individuals. I'll not and I'll go out and protest about it too.

MIN2511 · 02-12-2012 10:56PM

Tonto86 wrote: »

In all fairness its €150. I'm in Canada where I have to pay €120 a year for a work permit and eventually €2000 for the right to stay here. I doubt bitch or moan because I understand I'm a guest in this country, I'm lucky to be here. I don't have any feelings that this country should oblige me or I have rights to anything. I also understand that if I don't behave myself in any way I will be sent home. I work hard, pay very high taxes and feel great full.

Why do the visitors to Ireland have an automatic feeling that they are owed something.

It is €1000 per year for a work permit, €1000 for a green card (two years).
After the permit, one has to pay €150 per year for a GNIB card and another €100 for a re-entry visa.
It now cost €300 per year + €100 per year for re-entry Visa; this is a hike of 100%

I personally do not feel that I am owed anything; I pay taxes, I contribute to the economy, I have never claimed welfare and do not intend to now. I think the hike is ridiculous!

When I moved to Ireland 11 years ago, I paid £50 or less...

Piper101 · 02-12-2012 11:09PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Yup we don't have any such thing and in my opinion, this DOLE, CHILD BENEFIT is all unnecessary.
If you are not in a financial state of having children; then you should not have them.
If Dole is cut, people will get up their arse and find a job somewhere.

While I agreed with your original post OP I completely disagree with your point re child benefit. Almost every other country in the EU has far more generous maternity leave entitlements and access to affordable childcare than we do in this country. You begrudge parents the child benefit? Having children in this country is extortionate IMO (well only if you have a job)

squod · 02-12-2012 11:13PM

Reminds me of thread about taxi drivers. Terrible Joe.

Higher · 02-12-2012 11:17PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Get up off their arse and get a job you say,,, why didn't the 300k people out of work think of that!!!
If you don't like it go back to your own country at least you have that option.. Were stuck here... so shut up moaning and get on with it will ya..

We're stuck here?

No one told me that when I boarded my flight. The people who are employed are employed because they deserve to be.

We need the most productive, competitive workforce to get our country back on its feet again. The last thing our businesses need is for every foreigner to go home and for them to be replaced with unemployed Irish workers who evidently weren't good enough to get a job in the first place.

Honestly if you can't compete for a job here then go somewhere else because this country doesn't need you. Stop blaming foreigners for taking jobs, you're taking dole instead of simply going to the UK/Canada etc. and just trying to blame your situation on hard-working foreigners. Pathetic really. No wonder people with an attitude like that find themselves unemployed.

Itwasntme. · 03-12-2012 01:12AM

amtw wrote: »

People who require a GNIB card are non-EU nationals, there is free movement of member state citizens within the EU.
Those who require a GNIB card have an opportunity to come to this country to work or study and they should be welcomed. The €300 covers the cost of the administration of the system, it equates to €25 per month that is a small price to pay to have the opportunity to stay her and work or learn.

I am sorry but this (bit in bold) is BS. I am already paying ridiculous amounts of money to study and live here. If anything the country should be offering me incentives to stay. I had to pay that extra 150 euro this week. I would have appreciated proper notice of this in advance so I could plan accordingly. I heard that it was on the tv but I don't watch tv or listen to the radio. I had been at the immigration offices the week before and was not told of the possible hike. I came back to register three days later and boom- 100% increase.

CommanderC · 16-12-2012 07:44PM

Augmerson wrote: »

You are taking up jobs that an Irish person could be doing. I'm sorry, I'd rather you heading back home to your home country than my family members heading off to Canada/Australia/New Zealand/etc.

Why didn't your family members stay here and apply for these jobs then ?

If they were good enough applicants they would get them.

I'm sorry but you can't criticise people for coming here to work and in the same sentence admit that your own family are availing of the option to immigrate to other countries.....you're a bunch of hypocrites.

Tonto86 · 16-12-2012 08:10PM

MIN2511 wrote: »

It is €1000 per year for a work permit, €1000 for a green card (two years).
After the permit, one has to pay €150 per year for a GNIB card and another €100 for a re-entry visa.
It now cost €300 per year + €100 per year for re-entry Visa; this is a hike of 100%

I personally do not feel that I am owed anything; I pay taxes, I contribute to the economy, I have never claimed welfare and do not intend to now. I think the hike is ridiculous!

When I moved to Ireland 11 years ago, I paid £50 or less...

Tell ya what, if ya think our bankrupt country is asking too much how bout ya just head on home?

Miss Lockhart · 16-12-2012 08:12PM

CommanderC wrote: »

Why didn't your family members stay here and apply for these jobs then ?

If they were good enough applicants they would get them.

I'm sorry but you can't criticise people for coming here to work and in the same sentence admit that your own family are availing of the option to immigrate to other countries.....you're a bunch of hypocrites.

Who is?

hatrickpatrick · 16-12-2012 08:14PM

Arpa wrote: »

The government, strapped for cash are milking every area they can, and you...as johnny foreigner will be screwed like everyone else.

No. They're not. They are utterly failing to milk the financial and political elites, who not only have far more "milk" to spare than the rest of us, but also deserve, in many cases, to be punished for creating this disaster in the first place.

Right across the Western world, there is a complete and total lack of justice in how the financial crisis is being addressed. It's disgusting.

hatrickpatrick · 16-12-2012 08:16PM

Tonto86 wrote: »

Tell ya what, if ya think our bankrupt country is asking too much how bout ya just head on home?

Foreign workers are not responsible for bankrupting the country. Homegrown financial fraudsters and political pr!cks are. And we're apparently not asking ANYTHING of them.

saiint · 16-12-2012 08:20PM

Arpa wrote: »

I agree with you OP. An increase of 100% is ridiculous. People on GNIB cards are for the most part working/studying. Surviving in an economic downturn in Ireland is hard enough for Irish people who have all the benefits to fall back on but it is extra difficult for foreigners.

There will be someone who says, if you can't afford it just go home, but this shouldn't be the way. The government, strapped for cash are milking every area they can, and you...as johnny foreigner will be screwed like everyone else.

Cead mile failte, pay up or feck off is the attitude.

Comparisons between the GNIB and Passports are arbitrary.

hard for foreigners? are you serious :pac:

ok go down to any social welfare and tell me how many of them are irish people and foreigners :L cause im telling ya now pal theirs more black eggs then white eggs in the one on bishop street as well as polish

go into any retail shops
all foreign
if anything their getting a great ****ing deal paying 150quid for a job
hell id pay a grand to go into another country and get a job outta it

UCDVet · 16-12-2012 08:38PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You seem to have a high flying job so 300 euro isn't much.

Ireland is open to you and you are getting the opportunity to work

Administration costs money, the costs have to be covered

Here's the thing, the job I have here is no better than the job I'd have in the US or in Canada or in Australia. I can go to just about any English speaking country and get a similar job. But I can afford a better quality of life elsewhere.

Ireland isn't doing me a favor my letting me work a job where they have a shortage of qualified applicants and I'm paying a very high tax-rates (while being ineligible for many benefits).

Beyond that, it's not about administration costs; it's about generating revenue. What has changed between last year and this year to account for a ONE HUNDRED percent increase the administration costs?

Nothing.

So while it's easy for someone to say, 'Well, you get to work here, if you don't like it, leave' - the problem is, I will. And so will other people.

The company I work for (an American company no less) has been struggling for the last two years to fill positions. They are still hiring, they haven't stopped in the last two years. But people are actually LEAVING as fast as we hire them.

The majority of them, at least from my team, are non-Irish workers who enjoy their job, but are leaving for another country where they'll get a similar job and pay less taxes. We had a guy leave for Australia on Friday and another at the end of the year.

Sure, sure, if the company gave them a 25% raise or something, they'd stay. But the company is competing in an international market. They don't care about Ireland or any other country. We've actually moved ownership of some of our systems from the Ireland office to the US office because we can't get enough people working here. No sense in overpaying someone here when it's an international company.

My plan is to stick it out for another year, for the sake of my CV. And then I'll leave. And, while you might enjoy not having me on Boards.ie, Ireland will be financially worse off for my leaving.

Ireland *benefits* from workers like myself. I pay the same taxes, but I get only a tiny fraction of the benefits. If I lose my job, I have 3 months (I think it's 3, it might be 6) to get out of the country. That's about it. I can't sign on to the dole, I can't retire here, and the job I have isn't 'stolen' from locals who would do it, the government recognizes a shortage in my industry.

By itself, maybe the extra 150 would just be an annoyance, but when you look at all the changes in the last few years, Ireland just has very little to offer. And while some part of my wanted to self-identify with Ireland, to do my part, pay my taxes, and work through the recession or whatever we're in the middle of; the 150 euro increase was the slap in the face I needed to remind me that Ireland doesn't give a crap about me. 'Gee, you wanna work a job, pay your taxes, and help our country be competitive in your industry? Well, you better pay us!'.

And that's fair enough. I'm not Irish. I shouldn't care about Ireland. I'll stay so long as it suits me, then I'll leave. Just like you suggest.

ebayissues · 16-12-2012 08:44PM

The amount of ridiculous post in this thread is not surprising, I suppose that's what you get in the after hours forum.

An increase of 100% is too much, imagine if Dublin bus, Rynair Aer lingus Irish said there will be an 100% increase in all fee's, will you keep your mouth shut.

The property tax of 100e per month, a few paid that willingly, on the after hours forum majority through the results of the vote said they wont pay imagine if that was increased to 200 per month.

Those guys paying the fee for the GNIB card are non eu members, some from Africa Asia America etc.

Some are students, some working etc. A lot of foreign students I know have to work lots of hours to pay for the cost of their education no less than 4000e - 15000e per year. Another burden of 300 might be too much for some.

In due time the the cost of the increase of the GNIB fee will outweigh the benefits, some might think that Ireland is becoming to expensive to study in and might seek cheaper locations like Scotland, this in turn will have adverse effect.

For example the University will have to seek out new ways of getting revenue meaning increase of tuition fee's if an increase of 250e is big the worst is still ahead.

Some are saying the foreigners, that's a lot of bull****, before the whole financial crisis a a few went to college because getting a job without a degree was very easy. Majority of these jobs were unskilled jobs.

While at the same time many skilled sectors like hospitals science department needed skilled workers and if you cant get them in your home country then you look for them in regions like Africa Philippines were they are educated and they can accept low wages.

As of now there's an increase in applicants going to college, especially with mature students, some who didn't bother to pursue higher education as they believed the bubble would never burst.

ebayissues · 16-12-2012 08:51PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Here's the thing, the job I have here is no better than the job I'd have in the US or in Canada or in Australia. I can go to just about any English speaking country and get a similar job. But I can afford a better quality of life elsewhere.

Ireland isn't doing me a favor my letting me work a job where they have a shortage of qualified applicants and I'm paying a very high tax-rates (while being ineligible for many benefits).

Beyond that, it's not about administration costs; it's about generating revenue. What has changed between last year and this year to account for a ONE HUNDRED percent increase the administration costs?

Nothing.

So while it's easy for someone to say, 'Well, you get to work here, if you don't like it, leave' - the problem is, I will. And so will other people.

The company I work for (an American company no less) has been struggling for the last two years to fill positions. They are still hiring, they haven't stopped in the last two years. But people are actually LEAVING as fast as we hire them.

The majority of them, at least from my team, are non-Irish workers who enjoy their job, but are leaving for another country where they'll get a similar job and pay less taxes. We had a guy leave for Australia on Friday and another at the end of the year.

Sure, sure, if the company gave them a 25% raise or something, they'd stay. But the company is competing in an international market. They don't care about Ireland or any other country. We've actually moved ownership of some of our systems from the Ireland office to the US office because we can't get enough people working here. No sense in overpaying someone here when it's an international company.

My plan is to stick it out for another year, for the sake of my CV. And then I'll leave. And, while you might enjoy not having me on Boards.ie, Ireland will be financially worse off for my leaving.

Ireland *benefits* from workers like myself. I pay the same taxes, but I get only a tiny fraction of the benefits. If I lose my job, I have 3 months (I think it's 3, it might be 6) to get out of the country. That's about it. I can't sign on to the dole, I can't retire here, and the job I have isn't 'stolen' from locals who would do it, the government recognizes a shortage in my industry.

By itself, maybe the extra 150 would just be an annoyance, but when you look at all the changes in the last few years, Ireland just has very little to offer. And while some part of my wanted to self-identify with Ireland, to do my part, pay my taxes, and work through the recession or whatever we're in the middle of; the 150 euro increase was the slap in the face I needed to remind me that Ireland doesn't give a crap about me. 'Gee, you wanna work a job, pay your taxes, and help our country be competitive in your industry? Well, you better pay us!'.

And that's fair enough. I'm not Irish. I shouldn't care about Ireland. I'll stay so long as it suits me, then I'll leave. Just like you suggest.

And that above is the truth. This dilemma is faced not only by foreigners but also by irish citizens.

It seems that there;s this notion that foreigners take the home jobs, scam the system, don't contribute at all etc. For the most there are some who do it and again there are the few who work pay taxes but there's no incentive to stay and work because the government is not giving them one.

And if the government said all foreigners should go, it will affect Ireland in a Big way.

Large multinational as like PayPal Google IBM and Intel I see them going because majority of their workforce are foreigners.

I've gone ino a big rant, which I shouldn't but it had to be done.

mikemac1 · 16-12-2012 09:04PM

UCDVet wrote: »

And, while you might enjoy not having me on Boards.ie

I'll stay so long as it suits me, then I'll leave. Just like you suggest.

Don't be so dramatic :rolleyes:

I post about administration costs and you reply as if I'm driving you to the airport

dvpower · 16-12-2012 09:35PM

squod wrote: »

Terrible Joe.............

squod wrote: »

Get up their arse?

U-age mickeys Joe, u-age.......

squod wrote: »

Reminds me of thread about taxi drivers. Terrible Joe.

@sqoud

This is your entire contribution to this thread. Was there a point hidden in there somewhere?

UCDVet · 16-12-2012 09:45PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Don't be so dramatic :rolleyes:

I post about administration costs and you reply as if I'm driving you to the airport

I don't think it's dramatic, I'm just trying to explain where I'm coming from and why I think the 'administration costs' argument is silly and the price hike is ridiculous. I believe Ireland will be worse off for it.

But at the end of the day, it is what it is....

If I want to work in Ireland, I'll pay the fees.
If I don't want to pay the fees, I won't work in Ireland.

professore · 16-12-2012 10:05PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Here's the thing, the job I have here is no better than the job I'd have in the US or in Canada or in Australia. I can go to just about any English speaking country and get a similar job. But I can afford a better quality of life elsewhere.

Ireland isn't doing me a favor my letting me work a job where they have a shortage of qualified applicants and I'm paying a very high tax-rates (while being ineligible for many benefits).

Beyond that, it's not about administration costs; it's about generating revenue. What has changed between last year and this year to account for a ONE HUNDRED percent increase the administration costs?

Nothing.

So while it's easy for someone to say, 'Well, you get to work here, if you don't like it, leave' - the problem is, I will. And so will other people.

The company I work for (an American company no less) has been struggling for the last two years to fill positions. They are still hiring, they haven't stopped in the last two years. But people are actually LEAVING as fast as we hire them.

The majority of them, at least from my team, are non-Irish workers who enjoy their job, but are leaving for another country where they'll get a similar job and pay less taxes. We had a guy leave for Australia on Friday and another at the end of the year.

Sure, sure, if the company gave them a 25% raise or something, they'd stay. But the company is competing in an international market. They don't care about Ireland or any other country. We've actually moved ownership of some of our systems from the Ireland office to the US office because we can't get enough people working here. No sense in overpaying someone here when it's an international company.

My plan is to stick it out for another year, for the sake of my CV. And then I'll leave. And, while you might enjoy not having me on Boards.ie, Ireland will be financially worse off for my leaving.

Ireland *benefits* from workers like myself. I pay the same taxes, but I get only a tiny fraction of the benefits. If I lose my job, I have 3 months (I think it's 3, it might be 6) to get out of the country. That's about it. I can't sign on to the dole, I can't retire here, and the job I have isn't 'stolen' from locals who would do it, the government recognizes a shortage in my industry.

By itself, maybe the extra 150 would just be an annoyance, but when you look at all the changes in the last few years, Ireland just has very little to offer. And while some part of my wanted to self-identify with Ireland, to do my part, pay my taxes, and work through the recession or whatever we're in the middle of; the 150 euro increase was the slap in the face I needed to remind me that Ireland doesn't give a crap about me. 'Gee, you wanna work a job, pay your taxes, and help our country be competitive in your industry? Well, you better pay us!'.

And that's fair enough. I'm not Irish. I shouldn't care about Ireland. I'll stay so long as it suits me, then I'll leave. Just like you suggest.

I'm Irish and I agree with you 100%. Some of the posters on here just want to milk the system and blame others for their own failings.

Tonto86 · 17-12-2012 02:32PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Foreign workers are not responsible for bankrupting the country. Homegrown financial fraudsters and political pr!cks are. And we're apparently not asking ANYTHING of them.

No one said they did but we are all taking a hit, why should one group not have to share the burden?

A lot of foreigners in Ireland have a misguided sense of entitlement.

Monife · 17-12-2012 03:05PM

saiint wrote: »

hard for foreigners? are you serious :pac:

ok go down to any social welfare and tell me how many of them are irish people and foreigners :L cause im telling ya now pal theirs more black eggs then white eggs in the one on bishop street as well as polish

go into any retail shops
all foreign
if anything their getting a great ****ing deal paying 150quid for a job
hell id pay a grand to go into another country and get a job outta it

Just because their skin colour is not white, does not mean they are not Irish.

And you are wrong, they pay €300 for registration card, €100 for a re-entry visa (which imho is the biggest scam ever, you already have your visa but then you need to pay for a re-entry visa, I think Ireland is the only country that has this scheame) and then a huge amount for the actual visa/work permit as well (don't know exact figure but I think someone previously said €1000).

CucaFace · 17-12-2012 03:16PM

Tonto86 wrote: »

No one said they did but we are all taking a hit, why should one group not have to share the burden?

A lot of foreigners in Ireland have a misguided sense of entitlement.

Sorry the only people in this country with such a sense of entitlement are the Irish, mainly those who have been on the dole most of their lives and seem to think that this is way of life that should be guarinteed to them.

I know a lot of these students who have moved here to learn English and trust me they have no such sense of entitlement at all.

They are just happy to get whatever work is out there, which by the way is enough to keep them living here, thankfully as they bring of good things to this city.

This 100% increase really is unfair on people like this as they have no vioce here and im guessing this is why they were targeted.

Also the Govt have now changed the amount of money they have to have in their bank accounts day one to get into the country from 3,000 to 7,000 which is a huge hike and is a number many Irish would struggle to get together.

Really a lot of people should look around the city (Dublin) to see how many students are here right now and how much money they directly and indirectly are pumping into the economy and the Govt are being really stupid in this regard.

How many apts would be empty if they were not here??

The students coming to Dublin to learn English is a big boost to the economy and one the Govt should be looking to protect very carefully, not threaten like this have done lately.

suave.4u · 17-12-2012 04:11PM

CucaFace wrote: »

Sorry the only people in this country with such a sense of entitlement are the Irish, mainly those who have been on the dole most of their lives and seem to think that this is way of life that should be guarinteed to them.

I know a lot of these students who have moved here to learn English and trust me they have no such sense of entitlement at all.

They are just happy to get whatever work is out there, which by the way is enough to keep them living here, thankfully as they bring of good things to this city.

This 100% increase really is unfair on people like this as they have no vioce here and im guessing this is why they were targeted.

Also the Govt have now changed the amount of money they have to have in their bank accounts day one to get into the country from 3,000 to 7,000 which is a huge hike and is a number many Irish would struggle to get together.

Really a lot of people should look around the city (Dublin) to see how many students are here right now and how much money they directly and indirectly are pumping into the economy and the Govt are being really stupid in this regard.

How many apts would be empty if they were not here??

The students coming to Dublin to learn English is a big boost to the economy and one the Govt should be looking to protect very carefully, not threaten like this have done lately.

You are bang on mate. check this:
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/latest-news/universities-relying-on-fees-from-foreign-students-to-fill-funding-gap-3320206.html

suave.4u · 17-12-2012 04:20PM

Tonto86 wrote: »

No one said they did but we are all taking a hit, why should one group not have to share the burden?

A lot of foreigners in Ireland have a misguided sense of entitlement.

The kind of foreign nationals I am speaking about have no entitlements that you are saying.
These people are not from EU;if they apply for DOLE, then the next time their GNIB card won't be renewed.
Polish people etc. do not need a GNIB card

hoser expat · 17-12-2012 04:48PM

GNIB instituted this change with 5 days notice. Not good enough. Many in the higher education world had heard rumours about this, but nobody at GNIB would say a word. Lots of students got screwed over, as I'm sure other migrants did.

As far as going towards the administration, let's hope it pays for someone to answer their phone or email account, as there currently is no-one doing this.

conorhal · 17-12-2012 05:07PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Here's the thing, the job I have here is no better than the job I'd have in the US or in Canada or in Australia. I can go to just about any English speaking country and get a similar job. But I can afford a better quality of life elsewhere.

Ireland isn't doing me a favor my letting me work a job where they have a shortage of qualified applicants and I'm paying a very high tax-rates (while being ineligible for many benefits).

Beyond that, it's not about administration costs; it's about generating revenue. What has changed between last year and this year to account for a ONE HUNDRED percent increase the administration costs?

Nothing.

So while it's easy for someone to say, 'Well, you get to work here, if you don't like it, leave' - the problem is, I will. And so will other people.

The company I work for (an American company no less) has been struggling for the last two years to fill positions. They are still hiring, they haven't stopped in the last two years. But people are actually LEAVING as fast as we hire them.

The majority of them, at least from my team, are non-Irish workers who enjoy their job, but are leaving for another country where they'll get a similar job and pay less taxes. We had a guy leave for Australia on Friday and another at the end of the year.

Sure, sure, if the company gave them a 25% raise or something, they'd stay. But the company is competing in an international market. They don't care about Ireland or any other country. We've actually moved ownership of some of our systems from the Ireland office to the US office because we can't get enough people working here. No sense in overpaying someone here when it's an international company.

My plan is to stick it out for another year, for the sake of my CV. And then I'll leave. And, while you might enjoy not having me on Boards.ie, Ireland will be financially worse off for my leaving.

Ireland *benefits* from workers like myself. I pay the same taxes, but I get only a tiny fraction of the benefits. If I lose my job, I have 3 months (I think it's 3, it might be 6) to get out of the country. That's about it. I can't sign on to the dole, I can't retire here, and the job I have isn't 'stolen' from locals who would do it, the government recognizes a shortage in my industry.

By itself, maybe the extra 150 would just be an annoyance, but when you look at all the changes in the last few years, Ireland just has very little to offer. And while some part of my wanted to self-identify with Ireland, to do my part, pay my taxes, and work through the recession or whatever we're in the middle of; the 150 euro increase was the slap in the face I needed to remind me that Ireland doesn't give a crap about me. 'Gee, you wanna work a job, pay your taxes, and help our country be competitive in your industry? Well, you better pay us!'.

And that's fair enough. I'm not Irish. I shouldn't care about Ireland. I'll stay so long as it suits me, then I'll leave. Just like you suggest.

So to surmise, the government made up an arbitrary charge, the payment of which will see you conferred with no additional benefits bar the gratitude of those that stuff it into their pocket, right?

Welcome to Ireland!
If they really wanted to the 'new Irish' to get a real 'citizenship experience' at all those conferring ceremonies so beloved by minister Shatter, they would bend them over a table on the way in and forcibly go through their pockets, or perhaps hold them upside-down and give them a vigorous shake to ensure they’d been gouged for every last cent before handing them a piece of paper to indicate that ‘going forward’ they can expect little more from this state but more of the same…..

What does hiking the GNIB charge and the child benefit cut have in common

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