What does hiking the GNIB charge and the child benefit cut have in common

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 05:08PM #1

Hi,

When the household charge of 100 Euros was introduced, there are lot of hue and cry. People came out in protest, the opposition MPs held rallies etc etc.

150 Euros increase in the GNIB, no one said anything. We may not be Irish nationals, but we pay our taxes and most of us just want to work here for couple of years and then return back (atleast me). We will not be taking any state pensions, free old age bus travels so on and so forth. If we don't have our jobs, then the GNIB card would not be renewed and hence we need to work hard. We do not have any dole access and the taxed we pay goes to people on dole.
10 Euros cut in child benefit also in the same lines. How much will they achieve by saving 10 euros.
But they know, the most vulnerable can be targeted most easily.

Regards,

squod · 02-12-2012 05:13PM

Terrible Joe.............

HeyThereDeliah · 02-12-2012 05:13PM

We have to pay for a passport, what's the difference in paying for the GNIB card?

AnonoBoy · 02-12-2012 05:16PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Hi,

When the household charge of 100 Euros was introduced, there are lot of hue and cry.

Whatever about the cry, there's a fair amount of hue in your post anyways.

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 05:19PM

so you are saying that 150 euros hike was fine?

If the passport charges were increased by 10 euros, dont you think there would be any protest?

HeyThereDeliah · 02-12-2012 05:24PM

suave.4u wrote: »

so you are saying that 150 euros hike was fine?

If the passport charges were increased by 10 euros, dont you think there would be any protest?

Yes it's fine IMO. If passports increase we have no choice but pay or not travel.

GNIB last how long ?

Arpa · 02-12-2012 05:29PM

I agree with you OP. An increase of 100% is ridiculous. People on GNIB cards are for the most part working/studying. Surviving in an economic downturn in Ireland is hard enough for Irish people who have all the benefits to fall back on but it is extra difficult for foreigners.

There will be someone who says, if you can't afford it just go home, but this shouldn't be the way. The government, strapped for cash are milking every area they can, and you...as johnny foreigner will be screwed like everyone else.

Cead mile failte, pay up or feck off is the attitude.

Comparisons between the GNIB and Passports are arbitrary.

Tonto86 · 02-12-2012 05:35PM

In all fairness its €150. I'm in Canada where I have to pay €120 a year for a work permit and eventually €2000 for the right to stay here. I doubt bitch or moan because I understand I'm a guest in this country, I'm lucky to be here. I don't have any feelings that this country should oblige me or I have rights to anything. I also understand that if I don't behave myself in any way I will be sent home. I work hard, pay very high taxes and feel great full.

Why do the visitors to Ireland have an automatic feeling that they are owed something.

Spiritual · 02-12-2012 05:36PM

We have TD's.

HeyThereDeliah · 02-12-2012 05:48PM

Tonto86 wrote: »

In all fairness its €150. I'm in Canada where I have to pay €120 a year for a work permit and eventually €2000 for the right to stay here. I doubt bitch or moan because I understand I'm a guest in this country, I'm lucky to be here. I don't have any feelings that this country should oblige me or I have rights to anything. I also understand that if I don't behave myself in any way I will be sent home. I work hard, pay very high taxes and feel great full.

Why do the visitors to Ireland have an automatic feeling that they are owed something.

I think it's €300 now but still worth it if you can get work here.

dxhound2005 · 02-12-2012 05:55PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Hi,

When the household charge of 100 Euros was introduced, there are lot of hue and cry. People came out in protest, the opposition MPs held rallies etc etc.

150 Euros increase in the GNIB, no one said anything. We may not be Irish nationals, but we pay our taxes and most of us just want to work here for couple of years and then return back (atleast me). We will not be taking any state pensions, free old age bus travels so on and so forth. If we don't have our jobs, then the GNIB card would not be renewed and hence we need to work hard. We do not have any dole access and the taxed we pay goes to people on dole.
10 Euros cut in child benefit also in the same lines. How much will they achieve by saving 10 euros.
But they know, the most vulnerable can be targeted most easily.

Regards,

Someone here with 3 children gets over €5100 a year tax free in Child Benefit. How much would that be where you come from?

Augmerson · 02-12-2012 06:19PM

You are taking up jobs that an Irish person could be doing. I'm sorry, I'd rather you heading back home to your home country than my family members heading off to Canada/Australia/New Zealand/etc.

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 06:27PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Someone here with 3 children gets over €5100 a year tax free in Child Benefit. How much would that be where you come from?

Yup we don't have any such thing and in my opinion, this DOLE, CHILD BENEFIT is all unnecessary.
If you are not in a financial state of having children; then you should not have them.
If Dole is cut, people will get up their arse and find a job somewhere.

Fr_Dougal · 02-12-2012 06:30PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Yup we don't have any such thing and in my opinion, this DOLE, CHILD BENEFIT is all unnecessary.
If you are not in a financial state of having children; then you should not have them.
If Dole is cut, people will get up their arse and find a job somewhere.

Be janey...are you sure you're not Irish?!

HeyThereDeliah · 02-12-2012 06:34PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Yup we don't have any such thing and in my opinion, this DOLE, CHILD BENEFIT is all unnecessary.
If you are not in a financial state of having children; then you should not have them.
If Dole is cut, people will get up their arse and find a job somewhere.

The foreigners have taken all the jobs.

Arpa · 02-12-2012 06:50PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

The foreigners have taken all the jobs.

Foriegners are still doing the jobs that Irish couldn't be arsed doing. Service industry roles mainly.

I was unemployed recently and got a job. There are jobs out there...maybe not for the money you would have expected for your qualifications but you could wait it out...work a menial job and when the older generation croak it then there will be positions. Or else just go to oz.

However to say that foreigners have jobs that Irish people need is a load of crap.

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 07:03PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Be janey...are you sure you're not Irish?!

haha,maybe I am here long enough to become Irish

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 07:05PM

Tonto86 wrote: »

In all fairness its €150. I'm in Canada where I have to pay €120 a year for a work permit and eventually €2000 for the right to stay here. I doubt bitch or moan because I understand I'm a guest in this country, I'm lucky to be here. I don't have any feelings that this country should oblige me or I have rights to anything. I also understand that if I don't behave myself in any way I will be sent home. I work hard, pay very high taxes and feel great full.

Why do the visitors to Ireland have an automatic feeling that they are owed something.

Comon man;don't you think doubling the fees from 150 euros to 300 all of a sudden is a bit... would say HARSH?
The mainstream media completely ignored it

suave.4u · 02-12-2012 07:06PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

Yes it's fine IMO. If passports increase we have no choice but pay or not travel.

GNIB last how long ?

The first time, the GNIB is granted to 1 year (you needto pay 300 euros for that plus 1000euros for the work permit).

Then every 2 years it needs to be renewed for 300 euros each time

squod · 02-12-2012 07:11PM

suave.4u wrote: »

.....people will get up their arse.....

Get up their arse?

U-age mickeys Joe, u-age.......

hawkelady · 02-12-2012 07:20PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Yup we don't have any such thing and in my opinion, this DOLE, CHILD BENEFIT is all unnecessary.
If you are not in a financial state of having children; then you should not have them.
If Dole is cut, people will get up their arse and find a job somewhere.

Get up off their arse and get a job you say,,, why didn't the 300k people out of work think of that!!!
If you don't like it go back to your own country at least you have that option.. Were stuck here... so shut up moaning and get on with it will ya..

Arpa · 02-12-2012 07:24PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Get up off their arse and get a job you say,,, why didn't the 300k people out of work think of that!!!
If you don't like it go back to your own country at least you have that option.. Were stuck here... so shut up moaning and get on with it will ya..

Narrow minded contribution. Exactly why there's so many unemployed. You're not stuck here. Leave if you want. I'm glad that there are so many nationalities in Ireland. We need it culturally. It's not right to make it harder for them. Dey tuk our jobs! Complete crap....get up off your arse and get a job...because there are jobs out there. If you can't get one, aim lower, if you don't want to...upskill or feck off to oz or Canada.

goose2005 · 02-12-2012 07:26PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

The foreigners have taken all the jobs.

There is rarely a fixed number of jobs in an economy, immigrants also increase demand and consumption while typically placing less stress on social services than the average native (because immigrants are typically young, able-bodied and working full time)

Neewbie_noob · 02-12-2012 07:36PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

We have to pay for a passport, what's the difference in paying for the GNIB card?

What this Lady/Gentleman said.

HeyThereDeliah · 02-12-2012 07:46PM

Arpa wrote: »

However to say that foreigners have jobs that Irish people need is a load of crap.

goose2005 wrote: »

There is rarely a fixed number of jobs in an economy, immigrants also increase demand and consumption while typically placing less stress on social services than the average native (because immigrants are typically young, able-bodied and working full time)

Humour lost in ye two obviously. The OP was/ trolling, I just played along.

Pottler · 02-12-2012 08:06PM

Anyone decided what them things he was whittering about have in common yet?

loggedoff · 02-12-2012 09:31PM

suave.4u wrote: »

Yup we don't have any such thing and in my opinion, this DOLE, CHILD BENEFIT is all unnecessary.
If you are not in a financial state of having children; then you should not have them.
If Dole is cut, people will get up their arse and find a job somewhere.

What do you do if you had kids and lost your job? Give them back?
Ridiculous post.

loggedoff · 02-12-2012 09:35PM

suave.4u wrote: »

The first time, the GNIB is granted to 1 year (you needto pay 300 euros for that plus 1000euros for the work permit).

Then every 2 years it needs to be renewed for 300 euros each time

Should have upped it to €1000 to renew.

UCDVet · 02-12-2012 09:38PM

I made a post about it back in Nov and got called a troll...

The GNIB hike is ridiculous, IMHO.

The good news is I can just take my tax dollars and go home. I'll make more money, pay less taxes, and not have deal with the ridiculous green card fees or the GNIB card fees.

I'd really like to stay another year for the sake of my CV - but the GNIB hike was absolutely the thing that made up my mind to leave. I'm just waiting on the tax figures to decide if I'll be leaving this January or next.

It's a shame too - Ireland is a great country with a lot of great people. But it's not exactly a land of opportunity, at least, not for me.

amtw · 02-12-2012 10:00PM

People who require a GNIB card are non-EU nationals, there is free movement of member state citizens within the EU.
Those who require a GNIB card have an opportunity to come to this country to work or study and they should be welcomed. The €300 covers the cost of the administration of the system, it equates to €25 per month that is a small price to pay to have the opportunity to stay her and work or learn.

mikemac1 · 02-12-2012 10:08PM

UCDVet wrote: »

The GNIB hike is ridiculous, IMHO.

The good news is I can just take my tax dollars and go home. I'll make more money, pay less taxes, and not have deal with the ridiculous green card fees or the GNIB card fees.

I'd really like to stay another year for the sake of my CV - but the GNIB hike was absolutely the thing that made up my mind to leave. I'm just waiting on the tax figures to decide if I'll be leaving this January or next.

You seem to have a high flying job so 300 euro isn't much.

Ireland is open to you and you are getting the opportunity to work

Administration costs money, the costs have to be covered

What does hiking the GNIB charge and the child benefit cut have in common

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