Pat Finucane report finds 'shocking levels of collusion'

gallag · 13-12-2012 01:03PM

gurramok wrote: »

You just legitimised the IRA by giving them moral authority as representative of the Irish people, enjoy doing that?:mad:

To remind you, the RUC\MI5\British Army\British Govt are the legal internationally recognised legitimate agencies as representative of the British people, they are not supposed to be engaged in killing people.

And how do you fell about Irish government collusion? Can we in the north expect an apology for that any time soon? To be honest I don't care, it won't change the fact that the troubles happend, that they were dirty and it sure won't help us move forward.

cournioni · 13-12-2012 01:05PM

gallag wrote: »

And how do you fell about Irish government collusion? Can we in the north expect an apology for that any time soon? To be honest I don't care, it won't change the fact that the troubles happend, that they were dirty and it sure won't help us move forward.

What Irish government collusion are you referring to?

thebigbiffo · 13-12-2012 01:05PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Ah good old whataboutery. The Finucane case is the subject of this thread and nobody has said there wasn't malpractice by Irish officials.

Here, the tone of the OP was inflammatory with statements like 'the British have once again been shown to have Irish blood on their hands'. My intention with the post you call 'whataboutery' was an attempt to counteract this.

I am firmly of the opinion that both sides need to move along. I understand that people want the truth, especially the families of people like Pat Finucane, but this was a very dirty conflict and the dogs on the street know that officials high up in government on both sides need were involved in atrocities.

The British have a lot of apologizing to do in general, not just to the Irish (who do so love being the victims of those dastardly British scoundrels).

thebigbiffo · 13-12-2012 01:07PM

cournioni wrote: »

What Irish government collusion are you referring to?

eh, this one sort of stands out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Crisis

Seaneh · 13-12-2012 01:13PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

eh, this one sort of stands out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Crisis

You mean where they were removed from office and the whole thing fell apart before the guns ever arrived and both parties were punished?

Because that's a ****ing terrible example, in fairness.

Ghandee · 13-12-2012 01:22PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

eh, this one sort of stands out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Crisis

Jesus wept.

The very first line of that linked article has the word allegedly in it, and then goes on to say the following.

At the trial there was a direct contradiction of evidence regarding the sanctioning of the imports between Haughey and the chief prosecutorial witness, Jim Gibbons who was Minister for Defence at the time of the attempted imports. Haughey admitted arranging customs clearance for the shipment, but claimed in his defense that he did not know it consisted of weapons. This directly contradicted the evidence of Jim Gibbons and Peter Berry that Haughey was fully aware of all the details of the conspiracy. It also contradicted the stories of his co-defendants, who admitted that they had tried to import weapons, but maintained that the shipment had been legally authorised by the government. [1]

During the trial the judge remarked that either Haughey or Gibbons had to be committing perjury. [4]

The evidence during the trial did show that, although suspected by some, the government was not funding the Provisional IRA.

Did you read that article, or did you post it blindly

gallag · 13-12-2012 01:35PM

http://www.victims.org.uk/extradition.html

A terrorist could kill by bomb, escape from prision across the border and be sheltered by the Irish government only to pop back up to murder again.

Seaneh · 13-12-2012 01:37PM

gallag wrote: »

http://www.victims.org.uk/extradition.html

A terrorist could kill by bomb, escape from prision across the border and be sheltered by the Irish government only to pop back up to murder again.

Keep on reaching there timmy, someday you'll find that moral high ground you're aiming for...

not.

Ghandee · 13-12-2012 01:39PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Keep on reaching there timmy, someday you'll find that moral high ground you're aiming for...

not.

Is it Keith?

Back again?

Seaneh · 13-12-2012 01:40PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Is it Keith?

Back again?

I don't think so, he seems older anyway.

gallag · 13-12-2012 01:47PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Keep on reaching there timmy, someday you'll find that moral high ground you're aiming for...

not.

That's your reply. If the British government was harboring terrorists who bombed Dublin you would be crying about it.

Seaneh · 13-12-2012 01:48PM

gallag wrote: »

That's your reply. If the British government was harboring terrorists who bombed Dublin you would be crying about it.

They harbour terrorists who were involved in the murder of 818 civilian irishmen and women and I don't cry about it. I just demand justice.

gallag · 13-12-2012 02:14PM

Seaneh wrote: »

They harbour terrorists who were involved in the murder of 818 civilian irishmen and women and I don't cry about it. I just demand justice.

I suppose justice for all the innocent Irish men and women killed by the IRA would mean nothing to you, just them brits.

Seaneh · 13-12-2012 02:31PM

gallag wrote: »

I suppose justice for all the innocent Irish men and women killed by the IRA would mean nothing to you, just them brits.

you know what they say about assuming things?

when you assume, you're just a dick :-D

A Dub in Glasgo · 16-12-2012 09:13PM

Just watched George Galloway talk about this and others

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B_avWk6TojA

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Pat Finucane report finds 'shocking levels of collusion'

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