Ballymaloe and Tim Allen the sex offender.

Hippies! · 01-12-2012 09:44PM

What a stupid thread

LeeHoffmann · 01-12-2012 09:45PM

Massive difference between watching porn and actual sexual contact.

Morally, I don´t see a massive difference between supporting child porn abuse and committing it.

Fr_Dougal · 01-12-2012 09:47PM

lazygal wrote: »

I do. Taking illegal drugs directly or indirectly supports a huge criminal network. I've no time for recreational drug users who give out about petty crime and a lack of tough custodial sentences while using a substance that's only available by criminal means.

What if they grow their own?

Do you blame Larry murphys brother for what his scumbag brother did?

Pottler · 01-12-2012 09:47PM

Cully Allen and Sully are doing good as well, so the family is doing fine, don't think they have really suffered much. Not hugely gone on their soups though, but some people rave about them.

johnr1 · 01-12-2012 09:48PM

lazygal wrote: »

I think that was just PR bull, planting the 'he was covering for someone' seed of doubt in people's minds, just letting the public think 'Ah, there's more to this than what came out in the trial'. The man was convicted of child sexual offences, end of.

That would depend on exactly WHO

Darina Allen's (his wife) career as a tv chef was over at that time. Rachel's was taking off.

Shellakybooky · 01-12-2012 09:51PM

OU812 wrote: »

Personally have never bought an Allen family product since. Wouldn't have them in the house.

Haven't bought any of Rachel's books & means I also stopped buying in o'briens sandwiches.

If a business uses them, they lose me as a customer.

Find it completely offensive that he "got away" with it.

Rachel Allen is not related to Tim Allen.

Strawberry Fields · 01-12-2012 09:53PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

Morally, I don´t see a massive difference between supporting child porn abuse and committing it.

Morally would you see a difference between someone watching porn supporting prostitution or actually engaging the services of a prostitute. Bloke has psychosexual problems.

johnr1 · 01-12-2012 09:53PM

Shellakybooky wrote: »

Rachel Allen in not related to Tim Allen.

Yes. Yes I know. Not by blood. She does however have a husband.

paddydriver · 01-12-2012 09:54PM

I'd hurdle that Rachel one no bother... and smudge the relish all over:D

byhookorbycrook · 01-12-2012 09:55PM

Pottler wrote: »

Cully Allen and Sully are doing good as well, so the family is doing fine, don't think they have really suffered much. Not hugely gone on their soups though, but some people rave about them.

Cully and Sully was sold to an American firm earlier this year.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfsncwididgb/rss2/

hardCopy · 01-12-2012 09:55PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What if they grow their own?

Do you blame Larry murphys brother for what his scumbag brother did?

Does he still live and work with his brother?

LeeHoffmann · 01-12-2012 09:58PM

What is ´porn that supports prostitution´? If you´re calling all porn stars/actors prostitutes and asking whether there´s a moral difference between watching porn and using prostitutes, then the answer is yes there´s a big difference IMO. People who choose to act in pornos choose to do so and get paid for it. They are not being raped. Child porn is sexual assault, abuse, rape. Watching child abuse equates to supporting it IMO

Strawberry Fields · 01-12-2012 10:02PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

What is ´porn that supports prostitution´? If you´re calling all porn stars/actors prostitutes and asking whether there´s a moral difference between watching porn and using prostitutes, then the answer is yes there´s a big difference IMO. People who choose to act in pornos choose to do so and get paid for it. They are not being raped. Child porn is sexual assault, abuse, rape. Watching child abuse equates to supporting it IMO

Yeah but it doesn't equate to doing it a la Jimmy Saville, he videod nothing.

LeeHoffmann · 01-12-2012 10:05PM

I didn´t say it equated to ´doing it a la Jimmy Saville´

:rolleyes:

Lenin Skynard · 01-12-2012 10:10PM

The phrase "A la Jimmy Saville" almost made beer come out of my nose.

King of Kings · 01-12-2012 10:11PM

yes I don't think we should punish family members of people with convictions but Tim allen is still benefitting from the profits of ballymaloe products.

So my refusal to buy their products is because I'm choosing to boycott him.
If they want my custom - they can kick him out.

NoQuarter · 01-12-2012 10:13PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The sad thing about Irish Libel Law is that IIRC you can be sued for speaking the truth , if it would affect someone's reputation :rolleyes:

The actual position is the complete opposite to what you just said.

Lelantos · 01-12-2012 10:13PM

King of Kings wrote: »

yes I don't think we should punish family members of people with convictions but Tim allen is still benefitting from the profits of ballymaloe products.

So my refusal to buy their products is because I'm choosing to boycott him.
If they want my custom - they can kick him out.

If he was 3 times over the legal alcohol limit, hit & killed someone in his car, served his time & was now out, would anyone have the same level of animosity towards him?

Pottler · 01-12-2012 10:14PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Cully and Sully was sold to an American firm earlier this year.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfsncwididgb/rss2/

I know. The duo are staying on and have a huge bonus in store if targets are met etc. Very sucessful.... still don't like their soup though.

senorwipesalot · 01-12-2012 10:18PM

Yeah,I heard the rumour aswell,heres a possible suspect http://www.bestofbridgestone.com/blog/myrtle-allen-video-short-portrait de durtburd.

LeeHoffmann · 01-12-2012 10:23PM

If he was 3 times over the legal alcohol limit, hit & killed someone in his car, served his time & was now out, would anyone have the same level of animosity towards him?

why do you ask? most people rightly see child abuse as a particularly heinous crime...are you trying to suggest that this is unwarranted?

Lelantos · 01-12-2012 10:25PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

why do you ask? most people rightly see child abuse as a particularly heinous crime...are you trying to suggest that this is unwarranted?

Nowhere did I say that. I asked a question & want to know exactly where child porn/abuse stands in our psyche

GalwayGuy2 · 01-12-2012 10:29PM

When I saw the title my Home Improvement memories imploded:(

LeeHoffmann · 01-12-2012 10:34PM

Nowhere did I say that.

I didn´t say you said it. I asked were you trying to suggest it? I can´t really understand the reason for your hypothetical question about how much we hate drunk drivers who kill people.

charlemont · 01-12-2012 10:41PM

omahaid wrote: »

So we should punish the families of criminals as well?

Glad to see this hasn't been forgotten.

But yea he played the happy perfect family card in front of the courts and media and herself said the she can hate the sin and love the sinner...Pathetic really..

When this first came to light he tried to pass the blame on to staff by saying one of them must have accessed his computer..

Lelantos · 01-12-2012 10:44PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I didn´t say you said it. I asked were you trying to suggest it? I can´t really understand the reason for your hypothetical question about how much we hate drunk drivers who kill people.

Again, I wasn't suggesting it either. It's a basic enough question that goes to the very heart of our human essence, parental feelings, protection of the weak etc. In fact, I believe the opposite of what you suggest. I believe we can forgive someone who has taken human life more easily.

Odysseus · 01-12-2012 10:51PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

why do you ask? most people rightly see child abuse as a particularly heinous crime...are you trying to suggest that this is unwarranted?

Child abuse is an horrific crime/experience it can mark an individual for a long time.

Personally I would support rehab services for offenders just as much as I do for those who have experienced it.

I don't think we should continue to punish the offender as they have completed their legal punishment.

I think in some way people will have to address their personal prejudice arond those who committ such offenses if we are to move forward in addressing this topic in an open and supportive way.

At the end of the day a lot of sex offenders are just like the guy next door or the guy you drink/work have a smoke with. The idea that they are sub-human monsters is erronous.

The area of sexual assault is a complex area with no simply answers and if we are going to address it so that we can provide support for those who experience it we need to be very open minded in trying to underrstand it.

LeeHoffmann · 01-12-2012 11:07PM

The idea that they are sub-human monsters is erronous.

They´re human. I don´t think I´m under any great illusion about our species and how disgusting we can be. I think we all have the ability to enjoy others´ suffering. So yes they´re human, but some people are mosters

I_smell_fear · 01-12-2012 11:09PM

And that whole "dressing up as Santa Clause" thing?

RATM · 01-12-2012 11:14PM

King of Kings wrote: »

yes I don't think we should punish family members of people with convictions but Tim allen is still benefitting from the profits of ballymaloe products.

So my refusal to buy their products is because I'm choosing to boycott him.
If they want my custom - they can kick him out.

That's exactly it.

People here are saying that we shouldn't punish the family of a criminal and in a normal situation I'd agree. However this is a unique situation whereby we have the choice to buy or not to buy a product that the family directly profit from. And as the family are sticking by Tim Allen then he himself benefits from the profits whenever you buy their relish or cookbooks or whatever.

Ballymaloe is a multi-million euro business that him and Darina built up over a long time. I've no idea what Tim's cut is worth but I'd have no doubt it is in the millions and has been growing even bigger since he was convicted back in 2003.

It would be totally different if the family disowned him. Then I would consider buying their relish. But as it stands those who do buy their relish are contributing to the financial wellbeing of a paedophile, whether you like it or not.

Ballymaloe and Tim Allen the sex offender.

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