Ballymaloe and Tim Allen the sex offender.

lazygal

I know its yonks ago since Tim Allen was convicted of child porn charges (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/shameful-truth-that-lay-behind-ballymaloes-wholesome-image-487933.html) but it really annoys me that the family's business has managed to airbrush the case out of its history. The fawning attitude of the Irish media towards this family is pretty appalling, considering the family started out denying anything at all when the porn was found on a Ballymaloe computer and then stood in total solidarity with Tim Allen when he was convicted. I know we'd all like to think we'd support our family but would you really support your dad/brother/inlaw if they were convicted of something like this? I can't get my head around how this family get such a free pass on something so disgusting.

OU812

Personally have never bought an Allen family product since. Wouldn't have them in the house.

Haven't bought any of Rachel's books & means I also stopped buying in o'briens sandwiches.

If a business uses them, they lose me as a customer.

Find it completely offensive that he "got away" with it.

omahaid

So we should punish the families of criminals as well?

Sulla Felix

I don't think t he relish fiddled any kids so I don't see the problem.

Odysseus

I would not claim to know aty time but the bare basics on this case; but why should the family pay? Apart from that sex offenders are people, the have friends, family, work associates etc.

A difficult situation for any person to find themselves, suddenly a person the may have loved is being protrayed as an animal by some people or the media, how should they re-act? I really don't think any of use [or very few] can know what way we would react or respond

The family if they are not involved in the offense should not be made to suffer for the acts of one of its members, well in my opinion

girl in the striped socks

How do you know what he told the family about the images & how they got there?
And did you stop to think that maybe all isn't as rosey as the public image they portray?

His children, or grandchildren, shouldn't have to suffer over his wrongdoing. It's a successful business & whether you like them or not they have continued to keep it a success despite what happened.

Strawberry Fields

Massive difference between watching porn and actual sexual contact.

I wouldn't blame the whole family over one members indiscretions.

The Aussie

A person who looks at that filth is as bad as the perpetrator, he is the equivalent of something you step in and say "SH!T".

krudler

OU812 wrote: »

Personally have never bought an Allen family product since. Wouldn't have them in the house.

Haven't bought any of Rachel's books & means I also stopped buying in o'briens sandwiches.

If a business uses them, they lose me as a customer.

Find it completely offensive that he "got away" with it.

If you stopped buying products that someone with a dodgy past is connected to you'd have to live in a cave.

Wattle

I just had Ballymaloe relish on my sausages and it was delicious.

johnr1

There was an interesting rumour doing the rounds about that case, which I'm not going to repeat here, - as both boards and I could be sued. Let's just say that it suggested that Tim Allen might not be the ogre we think he is.....

I don't buy their products either since then, and I used to love their relish. Wonder what's in it :pac:

ShooterSF

I don't think I could bring myself to watch Home Improvement any more personally.

brandon_flowers

Tim Allen - Home Improvement Ballymaloe style, bringing a whole new meaning to Tool Time!

And the rumour is not a rumour anymore, its a well known fact around those parts.

Damn you Shooter

Lollers

johnr1 wrote: »

There was an interesting rumour doing the rounds about that case, which I'm not going to repeat here, - as both boards and I could be sued. Let's just say that it suggested that Tim Allen might not be the ogre we think he is.....

I don't buy their products either since then, and I used to love their relish. Wonder what's in it :pac:

Yep I remember that rumour too, thought it was just me. That there was more to this case than the public knew about .

previous user

lazygal wrote: »

I know its yonks ago since Tim Allen was convicted of child porn charges (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/shameful-truth-that-lay-behind-ballymaloes-wholesome-image-487933.html) but it really annoys me that the family's business has managed to airbrush the case out of its history. The fawning attitude of the Irish media towards this family is pretty appalling, considering the family started out denying anything at all when the porn was found on a Ballymaloe computer and then stood in total solidarity with Tim Allen when he was convicted. I know we'd all like to think we'd support our family but would you really support your dad/brother/inlaw if they were convicted of something like this? I can't get my head around how this family get such a free pass on something so disgusting.

They get a free ride because they're the eliTE the eliTE c%nts of this society get to píss on all our heads and create the shít society we have today, expecially thouse smug elitisT D4 CÚNTS

squod

Who do you work for OP?

Chuck Stone

johnr1 wrote: »

I don't buy their products either since then, and I used to love their relish. Wonder what's in it :pac:

The tears of children.

girl in the striped socks

Can someone pm me the rumour?

Capt'n Midnight

johnr1 wrote: »

Let's just say that it suggested that Tim Allen might not be the ogre we think he is.....

The sad thing about Irish Libel Law is that IIRC you can be sued for speaking the truth , if it would affect someone's reputation :rolleyes:

*wants to know which ogre he is*

"Was he Shrek ?"

lazygal

Lollers wrote: »

Yep I remember that rumour too, thought it was just me. That there was more to this case than the public knew about .

I think that was just PR bull, planting the 'he was covering for someone' seed of doubt in people's minds, just letting the public think 'Ah, there's more to this than what came out in the trial'. The man was convicted of child sexual offences, end of.

woodoo

I'm not comfortable holding family members responsible for what someone does. Tim messed up not the rest of them. I think Tim is a lowlife but not anyone else in the family.

ElleEm

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Can someone pm me the rumour?

Me too!!!

The Aussie

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Can someone pm me the rumour?

Could you PM a picture of your striped Socks as well as sending it on to me, I may or may have not ingested something in the past that now concerns me :eek:

Madam_X

godeas16 wrote: »

Massive difference between watching porn and actual sexual contact.

Still though, going to the trouble of accessing material in which children are being abused and degraded is aiding and abetting such sickness - there's horror behind that imagery, which the support of, is pretty bad...

The Aussie wrote: »

A person who looks at that filth is as bad as the perpetrator, he is the equivalent of something you step in and say "SH!T".

Not as bad, but not far off.

But yeh, blaming his family is ridiculous - still though, lots of people like a nice auld scapegoat. With relish.

LeeHoffmann

They get a free ride because they're the eliTE the eliTE c%nts of this society get to píss on all our heads and create the shít society we have today, expecially thouse smug elitisT D4 CÚNTS

your eloquence and unconventional use of capitals is a feat of human achievement

joolsveer

I have never bought any of the Ballmaloe products since the conviction.

Madam_X

lazygal wrote: »

I think that was just PR bull, planting the 'he was covering for someone' seed of doubt in people's minds, just letting the public think 'Ah, there's more to this than what came out in the trial'. The man was convicted of child sexual offences, end of.

An actual premeditated PR stunt? I'd presume that would be outside the remit of any PR machine - and would get them in a lot of trouble legally if found out.

Far more likely it was a rumour. And none of us can prove it wasn't without basis.

lazygal

squod wrote: »

Who do you work for OP?

What has that got to do with the thread?

Strawberry Fields

Madam_X wrote: »

Still though, going to the trouble of accessing material in which children are being abused and degraded is aiding and abetting such sickness - there's horror behind that imagery, which the support of, is pretty bad...

Not as bad, but not far off.

.

I agree it's disgusting what happened to make that imagery but I don't blame everyone who sits down tonight and smokes a joint for supporting gangland crime.

lazygal

godeas16 wrote: »

I agree it's disgusting what happened to make that imagery but I don't blame everyone who sits down tonight and smokes a joint for supporting gangland crime.

I do. Taking illegal drugs directly or indirectly supports a huge criminal network. I've no time for recreational drug users who give out about petty crime and a lack of tough custodial sentences while using a substance that's only available by criminal means.

squod

lazygal wrote: »

What has that got to do with the thread?

Plenty of companies/organisations that up to their necks in vile shite. Don't feel you have to answer.

Hippies!

What a stupid thread

LeeHoffmann

Massive difference between watching porn and actual sexual contact.

Morally, I don´t see a massive difference between supporting child porn abuse and committing it.

Fr_Dougal

lazygal wrote: »

I do. Taking illegal drugs directly or indirectly supports a huge criminal network. I've no time for recreational drug users who give out about petty crime and a lack of tough custodial sentences while using a substance that's only available by criminal means.

What if they grow their own?

Do you blame Larry murphys brother for what his scumbag brother did?

Pottler

Cully Allen and Sully are doing good as well, so the family is doing fine, don't think they have really suffered much. Not hugely gone on their soups though, but some people rave about them.

johnr1

lazygal wrote: »

I think that was just PR bull, planting the 'he was covering for someone' seed of doubt in people's minds, just letting the public think 'Ah, there's more to this than what came out in the trial'. The man was convicted of child sexual offences, end of.

That would depend on exactly WHO

Darina Allen's (his wife) career as a tv chef was over at that time. Rachel's was taking off.

Shellakybooky

OU812 wrote: »

Personally have never bought an Allen family product since. Wouldn't have them in the house.

Haven't bought any of Rachel's books & means I also stopped buying in o'briens sandwiches.

If a business uses them, they lose me as a customer.

Find it completely offensive that he "got away" with it.

Rachel Allen is not related to Tim Allen.

Strawberry Fields

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

Morally, I don´t see a massive difference between supporting child porn abuse and committing it.

Morally would you see a difference between someone watching porn supporting prostitution or actually engaging the services of a prostitute. Bloke has psychosexual problems.

johnr1

Shellakybooky wrote: »

Rachel Allen in not related to Tim Allen.

Yes. Yes I know. Not by blood. She does however have a husband.

paddydriver

I'd hurdle that Rachel one no bother... and smudge the relish all over:D

byhookorbycrook

Pottler wrote: »

Cully Allen and Sully are doing good as well, so the family is doing fine, don't think they have really suffered much. Not hugely gone on their soups though, but some people rave about them.

Cully and Sully was sold to an American firm earlier this year.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfsncwididgb/rss2/

hardCopy

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What if they grow their own?

Do you blame Larry murphys brother for what his scumbag brother did?

Does he still live and work with his brother?

LeeHoffmann

What is ´porn that supports prostitution´? If you´re calling all porn stars/actors prostitutes and asking whether there´s a moral difference between watching porn and using prostitutes, then the answer is yes there´s a big difference IMO. People who choose to act in pornos choose to do so and get paid for it. They are not being raped. Child porn is sexual assault, abuse, rape. Watching child abuse equates to supporting it IMO

Strawberry Fields

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

What is ´porn that supports prostitution´? If you´re calling all porn stars/actors prostitutes and asking whether there´s a moral difference between watching porn and using prostitutes, then the answer is yes there´s a big difference IMO. People who choose to act in pornos choose to do so and get paid for it. They are not being raped. Child porn is sexual assault, abuse, rape. Watching child abuse equates to supporting it IMO

Yeah but it doesn't equate to doing it a la Jimmy Saville, he videod nothing.

LeeHoffmann

I didn´t say it equated to ´doing it a la Jimmy Saville´ :rolleyes:

Lenin Skynard

The phrase "A la Jimmy Saville" almost made beer come out of my nose.

King of Kings

yes I don't think we should punish family members of people with convictions but Tim allen is still benefitting from the profits of ballymaloe products.

So my refusal to buy their products is because I'm choosing to boycott him.
If they want my custom - they can kick him out.

NoQuarter

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The sad thing about Irish Libel Law is that IIRC you can be sued for speaking the truth , if it would affect someone's reputation :rolleyes:

The actual position is the complete opposite to what you just said.

Lelantos

King of Kings wrote: »

yes I don't think we should punish family members of people with convictions but Tim allen is still benefitting from the profits of ballymaloe products.

So my refusal to buy their products is because I'm choosing to boycott him.
If they want my custom - they can kick him out.

If he was 3 times over the legal alcohol limit, hit & killed someone in his car, served his time & was now out, would anyone have the same level of animosity towards him?

Pottler

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Cully and Sully was sold to an American firm earlier this year.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfsncwididgb/rss2/

I know. The duo are staying on and have a huge bonus in store if targets are met etc. Very sucessful.... still don't like their soup though.

senorwipesalot

Yeah,I heard the rumour aswell,heres a possible suspect http://www.bestofbridgestone.com/blog/myrtle-allen-video-short-portrait de durtburd.