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towzer2010 · 30-11-2012 03:09PM

1chippy wrote: »

starting to get ready for ai,ing again (mid jan). I have been looking into the eurogene catalogue particularly the blues. Has anyone any thoughts on the bulls ar any advice on what to go or what to avoid.

I dont use Eurogene but I think its a great idea to ask other boardies about the different bulls they use and what sort of calves they got or difficulties they ran into with calving. I had three on yesterday and I was talking to my Ai man about the star system with ICBF. He was telling me that most of the technicians he has spoken to think the system is very flawed. He reckons that the star system is not a good reflection of what different bulls are producing and the figures are skewed.

One case is the BB bull DEP where he says most of his offspring are export quality and the best breeder in his opinion but he is only 2 stars for terminal. He also said that beef bulls that are used a lot in the dairy herd have the maternal figures skewed up slightly because a lot are kept for replacements.

I had looked up a few bulls on the PG site for the cows last night but changed to two LM bulls HCA and GWO and one AA bull GJB all on his advice.

hugo29 · 30-11-2012 03:35PM

One case is the BB bull DEP where he says most of his offspring are export quality and the best breeder in his opinion but he is only 2 stars for terminal. He also said that beef bulls that are used a lot in the dairy herd have the maternal figures skewed up slightly because a lot are kept for replacements.

My BB Stock bull was breeding out of DEP and I also used DEP from AI and yes he produces great quality calves but it depends on the cow type, he seems to suit LimX and SimX cross cows the best but he is not as easy calving as people say, no sections but the jack was out quite a few times

Another Fantastic BB Bull was BYU but I am not sure if his straws are still available- Both of those were from Progressive Genitics

bob charles · 30-11-2012 03:44PM

1chippy wrote: »

starting to get ready for ai,ing again (mid jan). I have been looking into the eurogene catalogue particularly the blues. Has anyone any thoughts on the bulls ar any advice on what to go or what to avoid.
I like the look of colosse and ross a but reckon ross might just throw an ordinary calf. we would have mainly lim x sim cows which would all be fairly big square sort of animals anything else will probably just get the stock bull. Anything suitable for export will be sold as weanlings everything else will probably be held.
cheers.

chippy given your problems would it be worth considering breeding animals with a larger lung capacity

Kovu · 30-11-2012 05:15PM

Back off to hospital tonight, this will never end!!!

pakalasa · 30-11-2012 06:50PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Back off to hospital tonight, this will never end!!!

Best of luck.

thetangler · 30-11-2012 09:35PM

Hi Kovu
Hope you ok.

bob charles · 30-11-2012 09:41PM

bob charles wrote: »

chippy given your problems would it be worth considering breeding animals with a larger lung capacity

Sorry for quoting myself but this show seriously be looked at by researchers. Its easy to understand why we see lower levels of BRD in Angus,herefords and fresians. Is it a trait that breeding could advance considering pneumonia in cattle is becoming a bigger problem each year probably due to the increased movement and specailisation of the beef sector

whelan1 · 30-11-2012 09:53PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Back off to hospital tonight, this will never end!!!

hope you're allowed to watch the toy show:D look after yourself

bbam · 30-11-2012 10:10PM

Just back in and settled..
Took the afternoon off and brought the girls up to Dublin for a wee shop and see the lights.. Must say the "big smoke" is looking well, lots of shopping going on too..
Happy out to be home though...

Muckit · 01-12-2012 12:21AM

freedominacup wrote: »

one of his ped BB heifers caught him on the hop and actually calved naturally, complete mess. She was torn asunder, internal rips in the vagina, damage to urethra and anus anywhere else straight to factory though nowadays probably knackers bullet. The vet college took her in as a training exercise/just to see if they could repair the damage. I went with the guy to collect her around 3 weeks later and she could just about walk into the trailer. She recovered and fattened but that was that. Hence the 4 sections per week for that vet.

You really have to sit back and question breeding when a mammal is bred to such a degree that it isn't able to naturally calve it's own young

Bizzum · 01-12-2012 12:29AM

tismesoitis wrote: »

my quiet saturday night a couple of weeks back:D:D:o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2H4C59Beg

You're some tulip.:D

Wild horses wouldn't drag me onto a stage.....Fair play to ya!

Bizzum · 01-12-2012 12:36AM

Muckit wrote: »

You really have to sit back and question breeding when a mammal is bred to such a degree that it isn't able to naturally calve it's own young

The CS rate in our own species makes uncomfortable reading too!

Any idea what the Irish rate of CS on cows is ICBF?

Bodacious · 01-12-2012 12:38AM

Was away all week with work and home late, it's lovely to throw on the rough clothes, the headlight and grab the dog and head out to see the cattle :-)

Muckit · 01-12-2012 12:40AM

Bizzum wrote: »

The CS rate in our own species makes uncomfortable reading too!

'Out the sunroof' as one of the women at work put it!

just do it · 01-12-2012 12:52AM

tismesoitis wrote: »

my quiet saturday night a couple of weeks back:D:D:o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2H4C59Beg

your a class act boy, what are you doing farming?

mf240 · 01-12-2012 12:54AM

Muckit wrote: »

'Out the sunroof' as one of the women at work put it!

No wear and tear on the ole cat flap:D:D

freedominacup · 01-12-2012 07:02AM

Fell asleep on the bloddy chair last night didn't wake 'til 1.30 then had to go check the cows not happy:(

Found €20 that I didn't even know I'd lost out of the back pocket in the shed, covered in s**t but otherwise ok so not so so bad.:)

whelan1 · 01-12-2012 10:10AM

Bizzum wrote: »

The CS rate in our own species makes uncomfortable reading too!

?

dont ever think that its an easy way out- excuse the pun- had 3 , first one was horrendous, kept in hospital for 10 days.... its major abdominal surgery, in saying that i was back milking 10 days after my 3rd section

Bizzum · 01-12-2012 01:40PM

whelan1 wrote: »

dont ever think that its an easy way out- excuse the pun- had 3 , first one was horrendous, kept in hospital for 10 days.... its major abdominal surgery, in saying that i was back milking 10 days after my 3rd section

I wasn't thinking it was easy for a second. I just wonder where the increasing CS rate will end. I saw a stat that it's at 50% in China, I wonder will it creep to 55% or 60% or 100%? And I wonder what is driving the rate up?

Maybe we should be restricting the intake for the last 6 weeks or selecting for easy calving......I myself am proven easy calving, long and lean but muscle up well later on, if anyone's interested!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Limited offer for this weekend only!!!!!!!!!!!!!

redzerologhlen · 01-12-2012 01:45PM

Bizzum wrote: »

I wasn't thinking it was easy for a second. I just wonder where the increasing CS rate will end. I saw a stat that it's at 50% in China, I wonder will it creep to 55% or 60% or 100%? And I wonder what is driving the rate up?
Maybe we should be restricting the intake for the last 6 weeks:D

I would say a lot of it is texel syndrome...to posh to push as they say

bob charles · 01-12-2012 01:59PM

whelan1 wrote: »

dont ever think that its an easy way out- excuse the pun- had 3 , first one was horrendous, kept in hospital for 10 days.... its major abdominal surgery, in saying that i was back milking 10 days after my 3rd section

I would have never put you in the too posh to push, brigade

whelan1 · 01-12-2012 02:35PM

bob charles wrote: »

I would have never put you in the too posh to push, brigade

i tried and failed, god loves a trier:D

just do it · 01-12-2012 02:45PM

Bizzum wrote: »

I myself am proven easy calving, long and lean but muscle up well later on, if anyone's interested!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Limited offer for this weekend only!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeez Bizzum, I need more notice than that to synchronise

bogman_bass · 01-12-2012 04:23PM

Is it like race horses - natural service only?:D

how much per cover and do you provide livery with that price?;)

freedominacup · 01-12-2012 04:32PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Is it like race horses - natural service only?:D

how much per cover and do you provide livery with that price?;)

This is getting a bit creepy at this stage boys:eek:

reilig · 01-12-2012 06:16PM

In 1960's rural Ireland, a farmer bought a pedigree angus bull for 1400 pounds - a price that was unheard of at the time. He started a bulling service and farmers brought cows for service every day for miles around. He charged 10 shillings and business really took off - so much so that he decided to invest in a second bull. Anyway he went off to the sale, not intending to spend as much as the last time. He left his wife in charge and told her the price - 10 shillings for a first service, 5 shillings for a repeat.

While he was away a knock came to the door and the wife answered it. The man standing there asked "is your husband here". "No" replied the wife, "but the bull is in operation, its 10 shillings for the first service and 5 shillings for a repeat". "I really wanted to talk to your husband" he replied. She replied " I'm in charge today, its 10 shillings for the first service and 5 shillings for a repeat".

"I'm not here about the bull at all", the man said. "You see, your son Pat has been going out with my daughter for the past 6 months and now she's pregnant". "Well" she replied, I know for the bull he charges 10 shillings for a first service and 5 shillings for a repeat, but I really don't know what he charges for Pat!!"

Bizzum · 01-12-2012 06:17PM

freedominacup wrote: »

This is getting a bit creepy at this stage boys:eek:

It only gets creepy when a crowd gathers round to watch:p

freedominacup · 01-12-2012 07:15PM

Bizzum wrote: »

It only gets creepy when a crowd gathers round to watch:p

Whatever is de matter wit you is no small thing:D

bbam · 01-12-2012 07:17PM

reilig wrote: »

In 1960's rural Ireland, a farmer bought a pedigree angus bull for 1400 pounds - a price that was unheard of at the time. He started a bulling service and farmers brought cows for service every day for miles around. He charged 10 shillings and business really took off - so much so that he decided to invest in a second bull. Anyway he went off to the sale, not intending to spend as much as the last time. He left his wife in charge and told her the price - 10 shillings for a first service, 5 shillings for a repeat.

While he was away a knock came to the door and the wife answered it. The man standing there asked "is your husband here". "No" replied the wife, "but the bull is in operation, its 10 shillings for the first service and 5 shillings for a repeat". "I really wanted to talk to your husband" he replied. She replied " I'm in charge today, its 10 shillings for the first service and 5 shillings for a repeat".

"I'm not here about the bull at all", the man said. "You see, your son Pat has been going out with my daughter for the past 6 months and now she's pregnant". "Well" she replied, I know for the bull he charges 10 shillings for a first service and 5 shillings for a repeat, but I really don't know what he charges for Pat!!"

Pub on a Saturday night... a distant memory at this stage I'm afraid !

whelan1 · 01-12-2012 07:24PM

bbam wrote: »

Pub on a Saturday night... a distant memory at this stage I'm afraid !

ye we often say that and if you ever do go, you come home saying " that you miss nothing by not going":D too expensive to go out... few beers or glass of wine at home - no need for taxi, babysitters etc

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