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Garda wiped driving slate for two judges and RTE presenter

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  • #92
    pitythefool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭pitythefool


    crusher000 wrote: »
    So what you want is Robocops ? We will up hold the law for all. Thankfully your all such law abiding citizens on here. If the country were full of people that are on boards we wouldn't need the Gardai.

    There are alot of scumbags on Boards too


  • #93
    crusher000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    It's not a problem wanting eqaul law for all and high standards but due to the fact that Gardai are human too like in all jobs you will have those that are good Gardai and you will have those that aren't so good. Just like you have good teachers and bad teachers or whatever. You expect that all people employed by the state to enforce the law are going to behave the same ? I feel like I'm talking to natioanl school kids now.


  • #94
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    crusher000 wrote: »
    It's not a problem wanting eqaul law for all and high standards but due to the fact that Gardai are human too like in all jobs you will have those that are good Gardai and you will have those that aren't so good. Just like you have good teachers and bad teachers or whatever. You expect that all people employed by the state to enforce the law are going to behave the same ? I feel like I'm talking to natioanl school kids now.

    I would have thought that most people, gardai themselves included, expect the gardai to be held up to a higher standard.


  • #95
    pitythefool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭pitythefool


    crusher000 wrote: »
    It's not a problem wanting eqaul law for all and high standards but due to the fact that Gardai are human too like in all jobs you will have those that are good Gardai and you will have those that aren't so good. Just like you have good teachers and bad teachers or whatever. You expect that all people employed by the state to enforce the law are going to behave the same ? I feel like I'm talking to natioanl school kids now.

    Interesting and valid point, but further punishment should be sought in cases of gross corruption


  • #96
    crusher000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    Of course your right, the highest in the land but as we seen this week even judges can mess up. We are dealing with HUMANS not machines mistakes, error in judgement, corrupt, liars these are all part of some humans no matter what uniform, clothes they wear.


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  • #97
    LivelineDipso
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭LivelineDipso


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Why does a Garda even have this ability?


    So GAA players caught driving in rural Ireland won't miss a match.


  • #98
    crusher000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    Put it another way how many off duty Gardai, Paramedics, Firemen have saved peoples lives ? They didn't turn around and say well I'm not on duty and i'm not being paid to do it so let someone suffer. Their is inside most people the abiltiy to do right and in some to do wrong.


  • #99
    loggedoff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭loggedoff


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    TWO judges, a leading rugby player and a television presenter were among those who had penalty points illegally written off, a garda whistleblower has alleged.
    In at least nine cases highlighted in the dossier, a motorist who had their points quashed went on to be involved in a fatal road-traffic accident.

    A source told the Irish Independent: "What the material suggests is that this is a cultural issue within the force – something that has become custom and practice over the years, but is only now coming to light."



    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-wiped-driving-slate-for-two-judges-and-rte-presenter-3309822.html

    If this is true, and I for one suspect that it is, it just shows that culture of endemic corruption in the Gardai remains unabated!

    Not just the Gardai, don't you know that's the way Ireland works. A nod and a wink culture.


  • #100
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    T
    If this is true, and I for one suspect that it is, it just shows that culture of endemic corruption in the Gardai remains unabated!
    It's reasonable to think that the Gardai ,like any police force ,anywhere in the world ,doesn't have corruption within it's ranks .
    Abi wrote: »
    There used to be a time when the police of this country were friends of the church rich and powerful! Drink driving charges quashed, parking tickets ripped up, even the blind eye turned to the odd murder!
    A-1 ...that pretty much sums up the Ireland I grew up in Abi .


  • #101
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    crusher000 wrote: »
    Put it another way how many off duty Gardai, Paramedics, Firemen have saved peoples lives ? They didn't turn around and say well I'm not on duty and i'm not being paid to do it so let someone suffer. Their is inside most people the abiltiy to do right and in some to do wrong.
    Plenty of ordinary Joes have saved peoples lives too. pathetic point!


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  • #102
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    crusher000 wrote: »
    Put it another way how many off duty Gardai, Paramedics, Firemen have saved peoples lives ? They didn't turn around and say well I'm not on duty and i'm not being paid to do it so let someone suffer. Their is inside most people the abiltiy to do right and in some to do wrong.
    That's called doing the right thing which most people would do .Being an off duty /out of uniform Gardai, Paramedics, Firemen or whatever is irrelevant .


  • #103
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    crusher000 wrote: »
    It's not a problem wanting eqaul law for all and high standards but due to the fact that Gardai are human too like in all jobs you will have those that are good Gardai and you will have those that aren't so good. Just like you have good teachers and bad teachers or whatever. You expect that all people employed by the state to enforce the law are going to behave the same ? I feel like I'm talking to natioanl school kids now.

    You are clearly choosing to miss the point.
    What is at issue is not that Gardai are human and can mistakes, it is that certain sections of society seem happy to tolerate misconduct and criminality by members of AGS as though it is a perk of their job.
    Name one other employer that would allow you to keep your job after not one but two seperate convictions for sexual assault on female collegues!
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0313/garda.html


  • #104
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    MagicSean wrote: »

    Your post history would show you have serious contemp for the whole organisation and those who work for it. Don't come on here posting how you just want justice and law applied equally. At least admit you're coming here with your own agenda.

    You say we have an unprofessional and corrupt police force and you evidence it with reference to a tribunal based on an incident 16 years ago after which massive change was brought to the organisation. The pieces of the article you quoted were only the ones that supported your viewpoint and your heading for the title is incorrect. No doubt in your glee to post about it you didn't stop to think that the article might be completely wrong. I'll happily listen to you bring up stuff from over a decade ago to prove corruption because if that, along with a shoddily researched article on trafic tickets, is the best you can do it shows the organisation has indeed improved greatly.

    This is a cop out magicsean the people who covered up child abuse are still there. As a victim of garda inaction in that regard I find it the idea that people who have a problem with corrupt gaurds have a problem with all gaurds dangerous. As a whole I like the gaurds but there are some near evil f&ckers in the orginization that need removing. remember when some people were complaining about abusive priests the pope implied that people were just anti catholic church. Well here we have another situation where corruption is going on and anyone who has a problem with child abuse facilitation is aparantly anti gaurds as an institution.


  • #105
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    This is a cop out magicsean the people who covered up child abuse are still there. As a victim of garda inaction in that regard I find it the idea that people who have a problem with corrupt gaurds have a problem with all gaurds.

    Where did I say that? I was referring to the op alone. His post history shows a contempt for Gardaí.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    anyone who has a problem with child abuse facilitation is aparantly anti gaurds as an institution.

    Again, I don't know where you are getting this from.


  • #106
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    MagicSean wrote: »

    Where did I say that? I was referring to the op alone. His post history shows a contempt for Gardaí.



    Again, I don't know where you are getting this from.

    There have been several instances by a few posters of posts making out that anyone who has a problem with certain gaurds actions have been a thinly vieled hatred of the whole organisation. Several people on boards cleary have a problem with the gaurds in general or even the idea of a police force but if someone has a problem with elements in the gaurds or the orginizations tolerence for those elements that doesnt mean all of us would tar the institurion with the same brush. In reality wanting some bad members of the force out is suppprting the gaurds as a whole. Frank Serpico loved the police force and yet he helped route out corruption. The two attitudes arent incompatible.


  • #107
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    You are clearly choosing to miss the point.
    What is at issue is not that Gardai are human and can mistakes, it is that certain sections of society seem happy to tolerate misconduct and criminality by members of AGS as though it is a perk of their job.
    Name one other employer that would allow you to keep your job after not one but two seperate convictions for sexual assault on female collegues!
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0313/garda.html
    Did you actually read that item that you linked? Here it is in full:
    RTE wrote:
    A garda sergeant has been convicted at the Dublin District Court this evening of sexually assaulting a female colleague and fined €1,000.The assault took place at a south Dublin garda station in June 2010.

    It is the second time in a week the 49-year-old man has been convicted for such an offence.

    He is due to be sentenced later this week for two other sexual assaults on another female gardaí.

    The female garda was putting a camera back in the office on 2 June 2010. She had to pass the sergeant who was working on a computer but he grabbed her thigh causing her to scream.

    She said she was very upset by the incident and by the fact that he made an inappropriate comment to her afterwards.

    The garda sergeant pleaded not guilty to sexually assaulting the woman but was convicted in the Dublin District Court this evening.

    Judge Timothy Lucey said the sergeant would lose his job and the conviction would have a very serious effect on his pension. He said it was not a jailing offence, but the fine would be at the higher end and he fined him €1,000.

    Reporting restrictions were imposed earlier to prevent the identification of the complainant. This included an order prohibiting publication of the defendant's name, place of work and where the incidents allegedly occurred.

    The judge did not lift those restrictions today. He said he was making no order whatsoever. He was not changing anything.

    Last Tuesday, the garda sergeant was found guilty of assaulting a probationer garda on two separate occasions in the garda station in March and June 2010.

    Judge Bridget Reilly is due to sentence him for these offences on Friday.
    So the employer is not allowing the offender to keep their job. And the two convictions happened in the same week. The way you spun it, you'd swear it was one conviction, than a passage of a large amount of time, then the other conviction, and the Garda involved still keeping their job after the second conviction.

    Clearly not the case. You've just disproved your own argument.


  • #108
    jasonmcco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭jasonmcco


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    TWO judges, a leading rugby player and a television presenter were among those who had penalty points illegally written off, a garda whistleblower has alleged.
    In at least nine cases highlighted in the dossier, a motorist who had their points quashed went on to be involved in a fatal road-traffic accident.

    A source told the Irish Independent: "What the material suggests is that this is a cultural issue within the force – something that has become custom and practice over the years, but is only now coming to light."


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-wiped-driving-slate-for-two-judges-and-rte-presenter-3309822.html

    If this is true, and I for one suspect that it is, it just shows that culture of endemic corruption in the Gardai remains unabated!

    I am flabbergasted when people show so much suprise .
    Everybody has a mate who has got off or knows someone who has been let off so how can people feign suprise. Exactly same as with church scandal(general pretence of ignorance to deflect collective guilt).

    And as for the "only now coming to light" well that's just not true.
    What he should have said was we all know it goes on but have chose to ignore it until we are forced to face it by people we privately hate for doing so.

    We are a weird little people with a penchant for begrudgery.


  • #109
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    pitythefool wrote: »

    What about the Gaurd who farted on a citezen,

    He got let off.


  • #110
    jasonmcco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭jasonmcco


    you can be guranteed the whistleblower has ruined his career and the people he has blown the whistle on will be rewarded in some way.

    no one will be brought to task for breaking the law and undermining the whole justice system.


  • #111
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    jasonmcco wrote: »
    you can be guranteed the whistleblower has ruined his career and the people he has blown the whistle on will be rewarded in some way.

    no one will be brought to task for breaking the law and undermining the whole justice system.

    Well he certainly wont make any friends for himself within the gaurds.


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  • #112
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    I have had penalty points cancelled, it's not such a big deal, we all use people we know to do favours for us and anyone that says they wouldn't is lying.
    I know someone who works in a hospital and she has done me favours re appointments, is this corruption on a grand scale as well?


  • #113
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    HeyThereDeliah wrote: »
    I have had penalty points cancelled, it's not such a big deal, we all use people we know to do favours for us and anyone that says they wouldn't is lying.
    I know someone who works in a hospital and she has done me favours re appointments, is this corruption on a grand scale as well?
    Yes.
    Someone else has had their appointment pushed back.


  • #114
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    HeyThereDeliah wrote: »
    I have had penalty points cancelled, it's not such a big deal, we all use people we know to do favours for us and anyone that says they wouldn't is lying.
    I know someone who works in a hospital and she has done me favours re appointments, is this corruption on a grand scale as well?

    Yes it's a bit sh1tty to be honest because need should really come before how many friends you have at a hospital. Giving preference to who you know in services is'nt the ideal way to run a country.


  • #115
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Yes.
    Someone else has had their appointment pushed back.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Yes it's a bit sh1tty to be honest because need should really come before how many friends you have at a hospital. Giving preference to who you know in services is'nt the ideal way to run a country.

    Yes I agree but it happens all the time in all walks of life, all Ireland football/hurling tickets for eg, we all use influence to get these.

    You can pick anything where others can help and it's used. It might not be right but most of us will do it.


  • #116
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Slightly unrelated, but I never let that get in the way of a minor rant, I was in Dublin today getting materials from a wholesaler. While there, I got talking to a lad who was also buying, items, except his were to replace several broken down by raiders(I'll keep this vague to avoid checkpoint sulks, etc:)).

    Talking about what had happened, it seems the raiders were "caught in the act" by the Gardai, but they(the raiders) threatened the gards with some weapons(not firearms) and were able to flee the scene with the items they were robbing(several thousand euros worth, well over 10k I was informed) and escape in a car - which had seemingly been used in several similar, recent raids. The shop owner was understandably not best pleased that the raiders had escaped, possibly since the gards had arrived "in time to stop them".

    This throws up a few, err, questions, for me. Should the Gardai have "tried a bit harder"?? How did the raiders manage to get away in a car, when the Gardai had, er, a car?? (And presumably access to the chopper, etc etc..) Also, does this mean, if you are violent and aggressive enough, the Gardai will step back and not intervene??

    Bothers me slightly, and I sort of hope that the story has become a bit muddled what with the drama and excitement and the percieved inneffectuality was mistaken. I do think the Gards might have made a bit more of an effort though if this is how it happened. It's sort of their job... more so perhaps than checking for tax on cars..


  • #117
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    mikom wrote: »
    He got let off.
    I heard the judge let one go alright.


  • #118
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    This is a cop out magicsean the people who covered up child abuse are still there. As a victim of garda inaction in that regard I find it the idea that people who have a problem with corrupt gaurds have a problem with all gaurds dangerous. As a whole I like the gaurds but theddre are some near evil f&ckers in the orginization that need removing. remember when some people were complaining about abusive priests the pope implied that people were just anti catholic church. Well here we have another situation where corruption is going on and anyone who has a problem with child abuse facilitation is aparantly anti gaurds as an institution.
    What would you expect when they have at least one sexual abuser with two seperate convictions serving in their ranks!
    No wonder we have such an appalling record in prosecuting for sexual offences!


  • #119
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    What would you expect when they have at least one sexual abuser with two seperate convictions serving in their ranks!
    No wonder we have such an appalling record in prosecuting for sexual offences!

    I know for a fact they have worse than that in the ranks.


  • #120
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    serfboard wrote: »
    Did you actually read that item that you linked? Here it is in full:
    So the employer is not allowing the offender to keep their job. And the two convictions happened in the same week. The way you spun it, you'd swear it was one conviction, than a passage of a large amount of time, then the other conviction, and the Garda involved still keeping their job after the second conviction.

    Clearly not the case. You've just disproved your own argument.

    Two seperate victims , seperate cases heard in the same week, you try reading the article again.
    It is his employer who is allowing him to keep his job, he has been convicted on two seperate occassions of sexually assaulting to seperate victims and is still serving in AGS. Says a lot about what AGS really think about sexual assault!
    Nice to see somebody defending serial sexual abuse inside AGS though, well done poster!:mad:


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  • #121
    applehunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭applehunter


    Some of you are not living in the real world.

    TBH the day that there is this lack of compassion from Gradai it will be a sad day for Ireland.


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