Southsiders up in arms over area's new name

This literally could have been pulled from a Ross O'Carroll Kelly book. No seriously, there was one where his mother was up in arms about the expansion of the D4 postcode.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Do you have a source for this? According to any article I've found the new postcodes would be based on the current ones. So it would be D04 XXX. So surely in that case D04 would just be the new D4

It's probably another of those urban myths.
People seem to forget that a large portion of D4 consists of Irishtown and Ringsend. Simply because of a few streets and a relatively small area, a whole postcode got accused of having airs and graces.

The_B_Man wrote: »

Doesnt the post code affect house prices? I'd say that's why they're whinging. Same as Dublin 6W/24 shenanigans.

In theory, yes. However, postcodes haven't changed in decades.

This seems a ridiculous whinge about Dublin South being renamed Dublin Rathdown. Crazy stuff. However, it's an article that was in the Indo so it's not as if it was in a credible newspaper in the first place.

smash wrote: »

I liked being from south central... It made me feel gangsta

I'm confused again
Where is South Central?
I really just thought there was Dun Laoghaire Rathdown, Dublin City, and Fingal - Were all these other names always there?

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Rathdown as a village / town no longer exists, so why does the townland persist when nowhere is actually called that anymore.

If you look at the OSI mapviewer at the historic maps, you can see the townlands well marked out and the use of "Rathdown" for this area is well justified.

The concern was probably that if you called the constituency "Dublin-Terenure", or "Dublin-Kilmacud", then some people would be up in arms about being renamed as paupers (or having paupers renamed as posh people). If you use a defunct name that doesn't exist anymore, like Rathdown, then nobody can complain about being renamed.

Very interesting actually to look at those maps. South Dublin was mostly divided in 4 areas;
- Dublin, covering everything inside the canals and Donnybrook/Ballsbridge/Irishtown
-Rathdown, covering Terenure, Rathgar, Rathfarnham and everything in the south-east
- Uppercross, massive area covering Tallaght, Clondalkin, Palmerstown, Crumlin, Rathmines and everything around them
- Newcastle, covering Lucan and everything else west of Uppercross.

North Dublin was simpler, with "Nethercross" covering Swords, "Balrothery" covering everything north of that and the rest below Swords divided into West/East areas of Castleknock and Coolock.

Complete list of the current constituencies here:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0004/sched.html

anncoates wrote: »

A quite large proportion of the houses in Terenure are the type of artisan houses you see in Crumlin and Drimnagh although I'm sure many of them have been bought during periods of gentrification.

I'm sure we can agree that artisan dwellings do not a working-class area make, though we might disagree on the criteria or even the very concept of what constitutes a middle-class or working-class area.

IMO
In terms of the population of an area, some or all of the following could be thrown into the mix.

Cultural familiarity/enthusiasm for education gleaned from the previous experiences of family members and friends etc.
Genuine access to, and participation in, third-level education, particularly the universities.

Home ownership (Artisan dwellings or not).

A realistically attainable aspiration to become a Doctor, Barrister, Professor, Actuary, Prize-winning Scientist or Stand-up comedian. (The last one's a joke, but only just).

Living conditions in the family home in terms of space, bedroom sharing, kitchen and toilet facilities and so on.
General condition of the street/road, regarding vandalism, graffiti and, yes, reputation.
The familiarity of some of the population with the workings of the court and prison system, either as a Judge/Barrister or as a 'client'.

The statistical prospects of good health and long-life expectancy for you and your children depending on where you're from.

Of course lots more criteria come into play, and before someone posts in to say that their brother was raised in a shoebox and went on to become a top 'Mandarin' in Government circles, sure that can happen, but it is rare.
The same can be said of Trinity College graduates serving time in the Phibsboro Hilton, possible but rare.

Demographics can change, making an area less or more 'deprived'/'respectable' than previously perceived, again this hasn't happened too often and change in this regard is very gradual when it does occur.
Generally an area in Dublin which was 'middle class' 20 or 30 years ago, for better or for worse, will still be seen as such today.

By the way, I'm not making any value judgements here regarding 'class', just stating what I believe to be true.

I'm sorry, but Terenure being 75% working-class just doesn't compute.