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Southsiders up in arms over area's new name

davet82

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/southsiders-up-in-arms-over-areas-new-name-3308984.html

THE well-heeled residents of Dublin South are up in arms about their constituency's new name.

They are dissatisfied with the fact that they will no longer be identified as Southsiders but as residents of a new constituency called "Dublin-Rathdown" in the next general election.

ye think people have better things to be moaning about, would you really give a flying fcuk?

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evolving_doors

This is nearly as bad as that time on AH when a guy from killiney ordered a chinese and it was cold...the inhumanity of it all.

RADIUS

Or when that southsider who had an issue with leaves from the neighbors tree's blowing into her garden and started a thread about it. Terrible hard life that, Living in the leafy district.

These people should just move to Dolphins barn or the like where they won't be harassed by leaves anymore. Best of all they can still call themselves southsiders!

folamh

This literally could have been pulled from a Ross O'Carroll Kelly book. No seriously, there was one where his mother was up in arms about the expansion of the D4 postcode.

loggedoff

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/southsiders-up-in-arms-over-areas-new-name-3308984.html

ye think people have better things to be moaning about, would you really give a flying fcuk?

Dublin south or Dublin Rathdown, they'll still end up with sh1te politicians like the rest of us!

anncoates

9959 wrote: »

75% of Terenure being 'working class' is news to me. Which parts?

A quite large proportion of the houses in Terenure are the type of artisan houses you see in Crumlin and Drimnagh although I'm sure many of them have been bought during periods of gentrification.

0ph0rce0

Pherekydes wrote: »

Isn't it in the same postal district as Sallynoggin? Or Shankhill?

Yeah parts of shankill are Dublin 18 as the people complained because they didn't want to be Co. Dublin :rolleyes:

smash

I liked being from south central... It made me feel gangsta

charlemont

We have a problem in defining urban area boundaries here. When it comes to organisation we fail miserably.

Heroditas

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Do you have a source for this? According to any article I've found the new postcodes would be based on the current ones. So it would be D04 XXX. So surely in that case D04 would just be the new D4

It's probably another of those urban myths.
People seem to forget that a large portion of D4 consists of Irishtown and Ringsend. Simply because of a few streets and a relatively small area, a whole postcode got accused of having airs and graces.

The_B_Man

Doesnt the post code affect house prices? I'd say that's why they're whinging. Same as Dublin 6W/24 shenanigans.

Heroditas

The_B_Man wrote: »

Doesnt the post code affect house prices? I'd say that's why they're whinging. Same as Dublin 6W/24 shenanigans.

In theory, yes. However, postcodes haven't changed in decades.

This seems a ridiculous whinge about Dublin South being renamed Dublin Rathdown. Crazy stuff. However, it's an article that was in the Indo so it's not as if it was in a credible newspaper in the first place.

anncoates

The_B_Man wrote: »

Doesnt the post code affect house prices? I'd say that's why they're whinging. Same as Dublin 6W/24 shenanigans.

Maybe house and car insurance premiums might be affected?

Would D24 would have a higher premium than Co Dublin and D12 than D6W?

That said, I'm sure their criteria is probably a lot more complex than that.

Madam_X

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

people in 'dublin-rathdown' also need to remember that some of the roughest areas in the whole of dublin are in their constituency

A few rough bits doesn't mean roughest areas in Dublin. I don't exactly shudder at the thought of Shankill overall, even if bits of it have gurrier elements.

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Irish middle classes are the worst snobs in the world.

Meh, probably not - ask anyone who's not posh southern English and has worked in central London's financial district. That said, Dublin snobbery is pretty hilarious and surreal, and it's probably not possible to find similar elsewhere in the country.

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Has anyone else noted the irony of a thread full of complaints about people complaining

It's more bafflement at what these people are complaining about - real piss-take first world problem stuff. It's probably only older generations who care though.

0ph0rce0

A few rough bits doesn't mean roughest areas in Dublin. I don't exactly shudder at the thought of Shankill overall, even if bits of it have gurrier elements.

Shankill is a grand place sure, not bad at all, Everywhere has there ****ty parts, from bray to dalkey, from cabinteely, foxrock to Dublin city.

Fratton Fred

Heroditas wrote: »

It's probably another of those urban myths.
People seem to forget that a large portion of D4 consists of Irishtown and Ringsend. Simply because of a few streets and a relatively small area, a whole postcode got accused of having airs and graces.

The same applies to pretty much all of South Dublin to be honest.

Madam_X wrote: »

Meh, probably not - ask anyone who's not posh southern English and has worked in central London's financial district. That said, Dublin snobbery is pretty hilarious and surreal, and it's probably not possible to find similar elsewhere in the country.
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I've experience of both. In central London you'll get posh boys who were privately educated looking down their noses at the comprehensive school boys.

In south Dublin you get women who look down their noses at everyone because they managed to ride a bloke who could afford to buy them a discovery and a place in Portugal.

The first lot are snobs by breeding, the second lot are self imposed better than you social climbing upstarts.

For some reason, I find the latter to be more distasteful, mainly because it is all materialistic showiness.

rubadub

I wonder how much the name change will cost the taxpayer, probably a fortune in admin.

youtheman wrote: »

I remeber years ago when I used to live in Stillorgan Grove in Dublin. Many people put their address down as Stillorgan Grove, Blackrock. Bit vain I thought.

Vain? I never thought of their being much difference between the 2 areas.

What address did you use? blackrock seems correct according to this site
http://www.addressireland.com

Stillorgan Grove Blackrock Dublin

keano_afc wrote: »

I work with a girl from Ballybrack and she puts her address down as Killiney, South Co. Dublin.

What is her address? it could well be killiney. Many houses right beside ballybrack shopping centre have killiney as their address. I think Ballybrack shopping centre is closer to killiney village than killiney shopping centre. Killiney is a big area, the way some people go on you would swear it is just the vico road.

Ballybrack village is on Killiney hill road.

Fratton Fred

rubadub wrote: »

What is her address? it could well be killiney. Many houses right beside ballybrack shopping centre have killiney as their address. I think Ballybrack shopping centre is closer to killiney village than killiney shopping centre. Killiney is a big area, the way some people go on you would swear it is just the vico road.

Ballybrack village is on Killiney hill road.

aah come on, Killiney is more a state of mind than an actual place. The vast majority of "Killiney" is the other side of Ballyybrack to Killiney Village.

Even the estate agents are calling it Ballybrack, Killiney now so that houses in the Brack come up under a search for Killiney.

EmptyTree

I'd like to see constituency's being divided into strips spanning north / south, so it'd be Blackrock - Coollock, and Ballymun - Terenure etc.

Wonder how they'd feel about that.......

loggedoff

EmptyTree wrote: »

I'd like to see constituency's being divided into strips spanning north / south, so it'd be Blackrock - Coollock, and Ballymun - Terenure etc.

Wonder how they'd feel about that.......

Dunno, but I'd reckon you'll find that the people who do so much damage to our society/economy are the ones who live in the so-called 'better' areas.

later12

Someone used to word surreal to describe Dublin snobbery, which I think is the most appropriate word for it.

The funny thing about a lot of these people - and especially young people - is how they enjoy and take pride in being from South Dublin, or a very specific area of the region.

Someone also mentioned the class thing in an English context; it's quite funny in Trinity where you have a small, but very visible, band of students coming over from English public schools such as Ampleforth, Harrow and Eton, making the south Dublin brigade look like the Geordie Shore set meeting Made in Chelsea.

The squirms of inadequacy outside the lecture theatres, as another Britisher booms over the mid Atlantic chatter in his public school baritone is quite funny:pac:

flutterflye

smash wrote: »

I liked being from south central... It made me feel gangsta

I'm confused again

Where is South Central?
I really just thought there was Dun Laoghaire Rathdown, Dublin City, and Fingal - Were all these other names always there?

later12

South Central is/ was West of Harold's Cross AFAIK.

Templeogue, Kimmage, all of that area I think.

seamus

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Rathdown as a village / town no longer exists, so why does the townland persist when nowhere is actually called that anymore.

If you look at the OSI mapviewer at the historic maps, you can see the townlands well marked out and the use of "Rathdown" for this area is well justified.

The concern was probably that if you called the constituency "Dublin-Terenure", or "Dublin-Kilmacud", then some people would be up in arms about being renamed as paupers (or having paupers renamed as posh people). If you use a defunct name that doesn't exist anymore, like Rathdown, then nobody can complain about being renamed.

Very interesting actually to look at those maps. South Dublin was mostly divided in 4 areas;
- Dublin, covering everything inside the canals and Donnybrook/Ballsbridge/Irishtown
-Rathdown, covering Terenure, Rathgar, Rathfarnham and everything in the south-east
- Uppercross, massive area covering Tallaght, Clondalkin, Palmerstown, Crumlin, Rathmines and everything around them
- Newcastle, covering Lucan and everything else west of Uppercross.

North Dublin was simpler, with "Nethercross" covering Swords, "Balrothery" covering everything north of that and the rest below Swords divided into West/East areas of Castleknock and Coolock.

Complete list of the current constituencies here:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0004/sched.html

Latchy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I've experience of both. In central London you'll get posh boys who were privately educated looking down their noses at the comprehensive school boys.

In south Dublin you get women who look down their noses at everyone because they managed to ride a bloke who could afford to buy them a discovery and a place in Portugal.

The first lot are snobs by breeding, the second lot are self imposed better than you social climbing upstarts.

For some reason, I find the latter to be more distasteful, mainly because it is all materialistic showiness.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

aah come on, Killiney is more a state of mind than an actual place.

Absolutely !

Pherekydes

flutterflye wrote: »

I'm confused again
Where is South Central?
I really just thought there was Dun Laoghaire Rathdown, Dublin City, and Fingal - Were all these other names always there?

This thread's about the names of Dublin electoral constituencies, not suburbs or townlands, though sometimes the names overlap (e.g. DLR).

Interestingly (or not), you omitted South Dublin from your list of Dublin county councils.

Dublin South (the electoral constituency) is partially in South Dublin (the county).

flutterflye

seamus wrote: »

Complete list of the current constituencies here:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0004/sched.html

According to that, I grew up in Dublin South - I always thought I was in DunLaoghaire-Rathdown! God I'm thick!

Pherekydes wrote: »

This thread's about the names of Dublin electoral constituencies, not suburbs or townlands, though sometimes the names overlap (e.g. DLR).

Interestingly (or not), you omitted South Dublin from your list of Dublin county councils.

Dublin South (the electoral constituency) is partially in South Dublin (the county).

Ah! that explains my confusion, I think!

9959

anncoates wrote: »

A quite large proportion of the houses in Terenure are the type of artisan houses you see in Crumlin and Drimnagh although I'm sure many of them have been bought during periods of gentrification.

I'm sure we can agree that artisan dwellings do not a working-class area make, though we might disagree on the criteria or even the very concept of what constitutes a middle-class or working-class area.

IMO
In terms of the population of an area, some or all of the following could be thrown into the mix.

Cultural familiarity/enthusiasm for education gleaned from the previous experiences of family members and friends etc.
Genuine access to, and participation in, third-level education, particularly the universities.

Home ownership (Artisan dwellings or not).

A realistically attainable aspiration to become a Doctor, Barrister, Professor, Actuary, Prize-winning Scientist or Stand-up comedian. (The last one's a joke, but only just).

Living conditions in the family home in terms of space, bedroom sharing, kitchen and toilet facilities and so on.
General condition of the street/road, regarding vandalism, graffiti and, yes, reputation.
The familiarity of some of the population with the workings of the court and prison system, either as a Judge/Barrister or as a 'client'.

The statistical prospects of good health and long-life expectancy for you and your children depending on where you're from.

Of course lots more criteria come into play, and before someone posts in to say that their brother was raised in a shoebox and went on to become a top 'Mandarin' in Government circles, sure that can happen, but it is rare.
The same can be said of Trinity College graduates serving time in the Phibsboro Hilton, possible but rare.

Demographics can change, making an area less or more 'deprived'/'respectable' than previously perceived, again this hasn't happened too often and change in this regard is very gradual when it does occur.
Generally an area in Dublin which was 'middle class' 20 or 30 years ago, for better or for worse, will still be seen as such today.

By the way, I'm not making any value judgements here regarding 'class', just stating what I believe to be true.

I'm sorry, but Terenure being 75% working-class just doesn't compute.