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Practicality of M5

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  • #32
    conzy
    Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    The E60 M5 is one of my all time favourite cars.. The engine is a masterpiece and I think it looks better than the F10

    When I'm looking to change the car in a year or two and they are starting to fall below 15k I will be very tempted.

    My biggest fear would be that something major would go wrong with it though, I'd say the repair costs would break me

    This video is just wow...

    http://youtu.be/xCtJVbJEHZg?t=37s


  • #33
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    There are two toes of e60 m5 out there. There are BMW dealer approved ones, with warranty and low mileage. These are expensive. Then there are the private sale ones, that were serviced down a ally, never got the right oil, never got the recalls done and were driven without any mechanical sympathy, these cost 16k. I notice the good ones don't hang around long as people really lust after this car.

    Remember that the performance is 430 or Porsche turbo with the same associated running costs. As for not having a warranty, I have 2000 euro of warranty work done 2 months after buying mine. So going without is IMHO a big risk. The s85 engine was a totally new design and as such had certain issues that are comp,ex to fix cause its a really complex engine. Every bolt on this car has a torque value. For instance the diff oil bleed nut needs to be tightened to a certain torque and a new crush washer each time. So some tool who doesn't know this, induces a leak that costs a 6k smg gearbox.

    The gearbox is great, so long as you get the updates done to avoid the problems the 2005 cars had. It's auto smooth, but it doesn't feel like an auto as the power is not linear it's in definite increments. Mostly I drive in manual, an here if it's jerky it's cause your doing it wrong,

    Bazman I do get 24 on the motorway....then again I have brand new spark plugs and a lighter foot than you :)

    The estate cost a good bit more than the saloon, I personally think the estate is a fantastic package, except I won't allow my dog in th m5 so it would be wasted on me.

    To end my experience it's been less trouble than a 335i, less expensive than a 645i, less to service than a desiel x5 and faster than just about anything while still being practical. Now I am a BMW fanboy. Anyone that says its ridiculous to run I say people with new cars that cost 150€ to tax but cost 600000€ & depreciate 12k a year are ridicilious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zYWOqm_Zkc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnZVkdzXzFQ


  • #34
    Marcin_diy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Marcin_diy


    if you ask for a running cost it won't be a good daily runner for you.
    I'd think about something different - find cheaper m5 buy it, and buy another car that is cheap to run - use it week days, and use your m5 for trips and weekends.
    in my opinion m5 in heavy daily traffic is just waste of money*

    *If i was on decent salary I wouldn't probably care.


  • #35
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    I saw this car on Monday evening in Dermot Wallace's showroom, super clean looking but didn't look as cool as the Aston next to it!
    It is a nice car though.

    I don't think the tax, insurance or fuel would be the biggest concern for me, at least these are known in advance.
    I looked up the price of a set of OEM discs & pads for one of these, €300 per disc & €200 for a set of pads, almost 2.5 times the price of a 520d set. There's a lot of bespoke fitments on the car, like suspension, the brakes above & gearbox. The SMG pump alone costs about €2,500 (I checked as I have an SMG car myself).
    Just be aware of the potential for a big bill.
    The scariest part of ownership for me would be the chronic depreciation & then the nightmare of trying to find someone to buy it from you. If you can write off the full value of the car as a sunk cost in your head then I suppose anything above that is a bonus. I'm sure most dealers would give you a poor trade in on an M5. It might even be worth doing a hypothetical test to see the type of offer you might get.

    The gearbox is not as smooth as a full auto but with a little bit of effort it can be reasonably smooth. It is not a rational buy as a family car but does every decision have to be?


  • #36
    Bohrio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭Bohrio


    I was tempted into swapping my rs4 for a sedan m5 a few months ago. They cost more or less the same but the m5 is bigger and more practical. In the end I just didnt like the feel of the car (but that's just me, I found it too big and heavy) but the car was very comfortable to drive and very quick.

    However, is strongly adviced you get some sort of warranty, the reason why because if something goes really wrong the costs of fixing it will probably be higher than what you paid for the car. I have heard of repairs costing 10s of thounsands of euros. Also, if the engine blows a new engine is 50K!!!

    So warranty is a must!!!

    In regards fuel consumption I would think this car is as thirsty (if not more) than mine and I tell you this, I could have used use my car to communte to work every day (back in the days when I worked in the city centre) but I didnt. I live in sandyford, going to the city centre everyday will mean putting petrol every 4-5 days, that's around 100-120 euro per week or 400-400 per month. And imagine if I lived in kildare or someplae like that, multiply that by 2 or 3! And then you have to consider tyres (around 250 each) plus brakes (in mine costs 250 for the front pads, 1000 euro for the front discs plus fitting), etc. Everything on those kind of cars is expensive, I recently had to replace my glove box and a new one costs 650 euro (just the front door).

    They are not cheap cars to maintain but they are a pleasure to drive. I use miine only during the weekends as I dont need a car to go to work (5 minute walk). But I could drive to work every day if I wanted to, but I know that if I do this every day, one day someone is going to reverse into it or scratch it etc... I still think is worth it... but just be aware! ;)


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  • #37
    Bandara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Matt Simis wrote: »

    Wow you are so wrong there. Do we even want to know what you were qualifying that statement on?!
    There are far more (as in this estate is like nearly one of a kind) saloons M5 available / cropped up and all of them much cheaper than this. Last year a family member bought a 2006 for 26k, now its high teens for one. One was up for 16k last month (yes an E60 M5).

    I think its you that doesnt like Estates and your preception is coloured heavily; they cost more new and generally command a premium over the "standard" shape in Used sales. Same with the E61 535d, family also has one of them, rare too and again, noticeable premium over the common saloon.



    Everyone knows Im a huge LPG fan, but realistically.. its not suitable for a highly strung, 8000rpm M-Powered 10cylinder engine with 505BHP. It has been done and the results were poor, the LPG systems tried could not deliver the fuel at the rate required (noting the appetite of this engine for fueling) at high RPM causing drop backs to petrol (ie a bad thing). Maybe some world class ace LPG installer with best on market or custom injection system could make it work, but havent seen of such a thing. And the cost no doubt would be huge.

    The F10 M5 has much better economy and might (might) be a runner in the future. The E39 M5 also shouldnt be too much a problem.

    Lol, take some deep breaths there

    I already posted re: saloons being cheaper, and no your incorrect, I actually love the estate car shape. Always have.


  • #38
    oregano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭oregano


    Hammertime wrote: »

    Lol, take some deep breaths there

    I already posted re: saloons being cheaper, and no your incorrect, I actually love the estate car shape. Always have.

    I'll vouch for this. In fact, hammertimes own car resembles a hearse.

    Re resale, more people will buy a saloon, so statistically you have a better chance of selling a saloon quicker. That said, oddball cars only need one oddball buyer, so the estate may retain its value better due to supply and demand.


  • #39
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    having read all the comments above i get the impression you would need to have a very large disposable income to afford owning one of these , it seems too risky for the average guy.You would need to be able to gamble 30000 a year and if you lost, it would not matter, if op is in this category then go for it, if not, dont


  • #40
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    A new engine is around 16k not 50k, however the chances of an engine going are small and there are only a few on the net, most of which were covered by BMW. A reliable engine by all accounts.


  • #41
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Beyond the odd coil and turbo problem, has there really been any unreliable petrol engines made by BMW in the last 15 years?


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  • #42
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Hammertime wrote: »

    Lol, take some deep breaths there

    I already posted re: saloons being cheaper, and no your incorrect, I actually love the estate car shape. Always have.
    Good for you, though what I quoted was what you actually said..


  • #43
    Bohrio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭Bohrio


    Emberly Brave Monument wrote: »
    A new engine is around 16k not 50k, however the chances of an engine going are small and there are only a few on the net, most of which were covered by BMW. A reliable engine by all accounts.

    I didnt say engine were unreliable and i should have checked the price, however, it didnt surprise me as when i mentioned it to my mechanic he wasnt surprised as he said replacing my engine doesnt cost much less either.

    If the op wants to know about common issues check this link

    link

    Not many, at least not considering the car it is. The only real experience I have with M5 is with my neighbours, he woke up one morning and the car wouldnt move, it was some smg electrical issue, he had to pay for it as it was out of warranty and it cost him around 8 k to fix. At least thats what he told me. A few months later he had another issue with the ignition, cost him another few thousand to fix, he sold it a few months ago. I still think is a great though... wouldnt put me off buying one


  • #44
    Bigus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Voodoomelon wrote: »
    Beyond the odd coil and turbo problem, has there really been any unreliable petrol engines made by BMW in the last 15 years?

    Big crank shaft issue on 6 cylinder diesels caused by the timing chain gear wearing but it's an integral part of the crank , so no option but to replace it. Very common at the moment with lots of cars off the road, both in and out of the dealer network.


  • #45
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    Bigus wrote: »
    Big crank shaft issue on 6 cylinder diesels caused by the timing chain gear wearing but it's an integral part of the crank , so no option but to replace it. Very common at the moment with lots of cars off the road, both in and out of the dealer network.

    is it only six cylinder diesels ? so it does not apply to current 320d 520d i thought they had a similar setup


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ...... Petrol engines the query was about.


  • #47
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    RoverJames wrote: »
    ...... Petrol engines the query was about.

    sorry james you are right of course :)


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The v8 coolant leak is a fairly shocking weakness imo.


  • #49
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Forgot about that chestnut alright.

    What I do like about the E60 M5 is the F1 car scream of the V10. It sounds like nothing else. Although I heard one about a year ago start from cold late at night and it sounded like pure muck.


  • #50
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    it is like many things in life you could get killed crossing the road but yet we do it every day, you could by a good secondhand m5 and nothing might go wrong


  • #51
    Bandara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Good for you, though what I quoted was what you actually said..

    Which I corrected immediately after .....


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  • #52
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Lot of hearsay and speculation and exaggeration of repair bill goes on. For instances 8k for an smg issue is off the wall, the entire system, electronics and all could be replaced for that, most smg issues are due to poor maintenance or previous owners launch controlling it all the time.

    They are not without their niggles, but I know a lot of owners and none have had anything major. Again unless you keep a war chest warranty is a must, anyone without a warranty complaing about a.big bill is a fool.


  • #53
    September1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭September1


    Matt Simis wrote: »


    Everyone knows Im a huge LPG fan, but realistically.. its not suitable for a highly strung, 8000rpm M-Powered 10cylinder engine with 505BHP. It has been done and the results were poor, the LPG systems tried could not deliver the fuel at the rate required (noting the appetite of this engine for fueling) at high RPM causing drop backs to petrol (ie a bad thing). Maybe some world class ace LPG installer with best on market or custom injection system could make it work, but havent seen of such a thing. And the cost no doubt would be huge.

    The F10 M5 has much better economy and might (might) be a runner in the future. The E39 M5 also shouldnt be too much a problem.

    Actually proper LPG can increase torque and power, for example this M5 http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/01/g-powers-bmw-m5-hurricane-gs-is-world.html is even stronger after conversion.


  • #54
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    September1 wrote: »
    Actually proper LPG can increase torque and power, for example this M5 http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/01/g-powers-bmw-m5-hurricane-gs-is-world.html is even stronger after conversion.
    Yeah, but outside of G-Powers PR car, does any privately funded one exist!?
    Hammertime wrote: »
    Which I corrected immediately after .....
    Look this isnt your first time using a forum, dont act so clueless.
    I replied to your first post, you didnt correct anything, someone else corrected you and you acknowledged it in the time between me pressing reply then pressing submit.


  • #55
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,559 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Op would you contemplate a 535? a remapped one would still be very fast, but much cheaper than m5...


  • #56
    September1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭September1


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Yeah, but outside of G-Powers PR car, does any privately funded one exist!?

    I do not think so, but I guess many years ago there were first cars with LPG and then first cars with every generation. Cars like M5 burn enough fuel to justify quite expensive installations and I'm pretty sure this PR car was made to make owners of similar BMWs to consider going this route. Last but not least those newest LPG generations should extend engine live vs petrol use.


  • #57
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    I think you would want to be doing serious mileage for a decade to make up the costs of conversion to LPG, never mind the damage it could do to the engine, the warranty would be shot etc....its a M5. A performance car, if the fuel is an issue buy something else.


  • #58
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Emberly Brave Monument wrote: »
    I think you would want to be doing serious mileage for a decade to make up the costs of conversion to LPG, never mind the damage it could do to the engine, the warranty would be shot etc....its a M5. A performance car, if the fuel is an issue buy something else.

    Aside from suitability (which I kinda agree on), the costs of conversion would be covered in 6mths on my high but not excessive type of commute on a car with such low MPG. I already did it on the Audi S8 (now sold) and it didnt even have such low MPG. Lower MPG = dramatically faster return on investment. The only issue with LPG on the V10 M5 is the fact it needs to rev so high and fast to get power, LPG is better suited to torquey low down powerplants.

    I dont think you did those numbers right! Same argument and figures from bottom of page 6 here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056810683&page=6


    I would disagree on the costs of fuel not being an allowable issue on a Used performance car. The 150k original purchaser gets that card played, not the guy buying a 5,10 or 15k M5 (or S6/S8/750i) of whatever generation. Otherwise its scrapyard time after 6 years for everyone of these cars.


  • #59
    TheBazman
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Op would you contemplate a 535? a remapped one would still be very fast, but much cheaper than m5...

    That's what I had before the M5 and what I went back to after the M5 - the big difference is the fuel 32/33mpg vs 17/18mpg. Tax is only marginally less, tyres more or less the same albeit 19" vs 18". Standard servicing not too much in the difference. I guess it's if something serious goes wrong then there will be a big difference.

    To be honest the 535d + remap has bundles of power....but I do miss the noise


  • #60
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,559 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    That's what I had before the M5 and what I went back to after the M5 - the big difference is the fuel 32/33mpg vs 17/18mpg. Tax is only marginally less, tyres more or less the same albeit 19" vs 18". Standard servicing not too much in the difference. I guess it's if something serious goes wrong then there will be a big difference.

    To be honest the 535d + remap has bundles of power....but I do miss the noise
    surely youd save decent bit on insurance too?


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  • #61
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Aside from suitability (which I kinda agree on), the costs of conversion would be covered in 6mths on my high but not excessive type of commute on a car with such low MPG. I already did it on the Audi S8 (now sold) and it didnt even have such low MPG. Lower MPG = dramatically faster return on investment. The only issue with LPG on the V10 M5 is the fact it needs to rev so high and fast to get power, LPG is better suited to torquey low down powerplants.

    I dont think you did those numbers right! Same argument and figures from bottom of page 6 here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056810683&page=6


    I would disagree on the costs of fuel not being an allowable issue on a Used performance car. The 150k original purchaser gets that card played, not the guy buying a 5,10 or 15k M5 (or S6/S8/750i) of whatever generation. Otherwise its scrapyard time after 6 years for everyone of these cars.

    Oh yeah, drag me in to it! :p


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