WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday the 23rd of Feb

Wanderer2010 · 19-11-2012 09:25PM

S28382 wrote: »

I havent posted in any part of this thread iv just read it from time to time and it seems as if its going down hill very fast, unfortunately the bickering between posters is taking away from the real reasons of the thread and that was information about protests over the downgrading of WRH. I think its time for the thread to be used again for that reason and it would be a good idea for a mod to step in and stop it getting even more personal than what it already is, the bickering is getting ridiculous.

The mods are just as bad mate, they dress their own bias up in "we are entitled to contribute" nonsense and ignore the abusive derailing and complete irrelevance of political willy waving just for their own pleasure. Shame, as it started out quite well but as usual has descended into an endless "my party is better than yours" rubbish. You need independent and unbiased mods here or....the current mods could get more of a life outside these boards to vent their rage. Maybe YouPorn could help them...

S28382 · 19-11-2012 09:33PM

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

The mods are just as bad mate, they dress their own bias up in "we are entitled to contribute" nonsense and ignore the abusive derailing and complete irrelevance of political willy waving just for their own pleasure. Shame, as it started out quite well but as usual has descended into an endless "my party is better than yours" rubbish. You need independent and unbiased mods here or....the current mods could get more of a life outside these boards to vent their rage. Maybe YouPorn could help them...

Yeah i know there is sometimes some ridiculous modding on Boards but the arguing on this thread is getting out of hand maybe it needs some other mod to step in to deal with it properly but it does beg the question who's modding the mods? but again thats not what this thread is about.

Sully · 19-11-2012 09:49PM

Bards wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1117/1224326702048.html

Reilly was Attending WRH to give a presentation on Hospital Reform - yet hasn't seen the report that I presume he was presenting???

“I do not want anyone to think this hospital is under threat in any way.” - so he can xfer services without anyone being the wiser methinks

he said he “can’t force people to stick together” in any hospital network. - Is he a minister or not, is he in charge of the HSE or not? - another BS answer and the people are expected to believe this crap

why aren't the media questioning his authority?

Health Reform. The whole topic on healthcare reform is huge. Lot of work to be done and is being done. Don't think he was visiting or discussing the hospital network considering he hasn't seen the report yet. If St Lukes or any other hospital wishes to join with another, that's their own business. Likewise, if WIT wishes to join with Carlow - its their own business and the Dept. of Education wont interfere.

That's why they are not questioning his authority on this one. They have in the past and given him (rightly so) a fair grueling.

Deisetrek wrote: »

Exactly Dunmoreroader , Sully HAS lost sight of the issue i.e. the break up of the South East grouping of which WRH is a main player . He is blinded by his obvious allegiance to Fine Gael and 7UpFree is right . You'll find Sully in as much as you reckon there's people on here fed up of 7Upfree's views on your boys , there's quite a few of us on here disagree with your biased ranting re Fine Gael and our wonderful present government . Nobody here begrudges Lukes,and this defence of Kilkenny people is just embarrassing ( who's come on here and had a hop off them ?) and another smokescreen . Stick with the issue at hand ...which is surprise ,surprise the downgrading of WRH and the break up of the South East group ??

No. I haven't. I'm not in favour of WRH being broken up and made into a smaller hospital. Neither is FG here in Waterford. Completely against it. 100% against it. You wont see me putting the party before the hospital.

I wont stand over people moaning that Kilkenny gets money to improving their A&E Department. I have no objection to that nor should anybody begrudge the people of Kilkenny to get money towards improving their hospital. Its not in anyway harming WRH. The reason why I am bringing this into the topic is because others have done so already and complained that they were getting the investment. I have no objections to this and if Fianna Fail / Sinn Fein were in power doing it, I wouldn't object then either. I welcome this.

7upfree wrote: »

Well, well. A little nerve touched I see. The reality is that people are far from fed up of the 'whining' as you put it. Most rational people would call it reality. People who are not sucked in by party-politcal rhetoric and lies.

A nerve? No. I'm used to your sarcastic uneducated posts, ranting and raving about Phil Hogan, Kilkenny, and Fine Gael. Other people have grown used to it, pointed it out to you and asked you to stop. I'v grown used to it and its facepalm worthy every time you post. Its gone to the stage where I just laugh. A number of posters have turned against your point of view now and are arguing against you, not with you.

But I think its disgusting and insulting your jealousy towards Kilkenny and that you begrudge them and do not want them getting any money towards their hospital.

I have no problem with Kilkenny (or anywhere else for that matter) getting their FAIR share. But not at Waterford City's cost.

They are getting their fare share. They have an A&E. Its being improved. Waterford has an A&E, it was recently improved. Whether Kilkenny wants to go with Dublin or Waterford, it was and will always get investment towards their A&E. Improving their A&E wont make the slightest bit of difference towards WRH. Kilkenny A&E is one of the busiest A&E in the country for god sake!!

Not half a tiresome as you trotting out the party line. That "anti-Kilkenny vibe" you so dislike is very prominent in Waterford. Except its real name is a pro-Waterford city vibe. Maybe when you wake up you might try it sometime.

I'm aware its prominent in Waterford. Even before I was a member on Boards, it was a serious issue on this forum. Its mostly down to jealousy over GAA and I don't believe politics plays much of a role. Its still not tolerated and I think when someone stoops as low as complaining that they have received investment towards their hospital services - that's where the line for me, is very firmly drawn and I feel the debate was brought to a whole new low unfair level.

Has anybody said they're NOT nice? Apart from some yokels who hate Waterford and anything to do with it? Who's begrudging them? We are protecting Waterford City - unlike some who should know better. That is all that matters Sully. This City and its populace. Not some gombeen political party still stuck in the 40s.

As you said yourself - the "anti-Kilkenny vibe" is very prominent in Waterford. Even you give off the vibe. When Kilkenny got investment for their own 'Viking Triangle', a number of Waterford people were furious. Now when its announced they are getting funding towards improving their hospital, people are furious. Absolutely no foundation to be angry. Its one of the busiest A&Es in the country and the hospital isn't in the best of conditions. Most people are sent to WRH for treatment on a lot of issues people present and this will continue - nothing is changing in that regard.

Sully · 19-11-2012 09:51PM

S28382 wrote: »

Yeah i know there is sometimes some ridiculous modding on Boards but the arguing on this thread is getting out of hand maybe it needs some other mod to step in to deal with it properly but it does beg the question who's modding the mods? but again thats not what this thread is about.

Patience. I'm staying away from moderating this thread in any shape or form due to my involvement in the discussion and previous unfounded claims of bias and moderation done to sway the argument and protect Fine Gael. When the other mods are available, they will respond as they see fit.

Not happy? Complain to those who moderate the mods - the CMods. Who moderates the CMods? The Admins. The moderates them? The owners.

S28382 · 19-11-2012 10:00PM

Sully wrote: »

Patience. I'm staying away from moderating this thread in any shape or form due to my involvement in the discussion and previous unfounded claims of bias and moderation done to sway the argument and protect Fine Gael. When the other mods are available, they will respond as they see fit.

Not happy? Complain to those who moderate the mods - the CMods. Who moderates the CMods? The Admins. The moderates them? The owners.

I know how you have been targeted from time to time and im sure some of it is in the wrong unfortunately some posters just like to have a go at somebody in a personal manner which is stupid. I dont have any complaint against any mod but it is a fact that sometimes some mods dont do what they are meant to do in a fair manner that is not directed at you its just a general thing.

7upfree · 19-11-2012 10:04PM

Sully wrote: »

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A nerve? No. I'm used to your sarcastic uneducated posts, ranting and raving about Phil Hogan, Kilkenny, and Fine Gael.

As opposed to ranting about FG while defending them at the same time?!:)

7upfree · 19-11-2012 10:06PM

Meatwad wrote: »

Well since there's been a pair of ye derailing topics and acting like utter trolls ,I thought I'd join in. I think the muppet babies make as much sense as half the tripe that has been posted here the last few weeks.
I'm not attacking anyone but since you've made a point of singling yourself out with your aggressive illogical responses and have avoided discussion at all cost, I though I might as well follow your lead ....with out being aggressive.

I'm not gonna keep posting here derailing the thread as long as you don't do the same thing. I understand that you're passionate about whats happening in Waterford...all of us are, but the difference is you have added about as much to this thread as I have. I'm sure that there's alot of people that share your point of view....I'm not saying I don't agree with some things you say....but you have a nack of rubbing people up the wrong way by not respecting other peoples opinions. Its a discussion forum not an argument forum. I dispise all politicians but I'm not gonna jump down some one throat for not sharing the same views I have. I'm beyond the point of arguing over politics as its counter productive.People aren't gonna change their views overnight or by reading a post on boards.No point arguing over it , better to take their views , respect them and move along. Christ, the way things come out here about KK and Waterford , it doesn't look like there's much hope in the middle east.

I've contributed a fair bit to waterford over the years in terms of festival organisation and running a few different businesses. I learned that the only way to achieve something for the city is through respect and compromise, You mightn't like the **** you have to sit down with but you stand a better chance of getting what you want if your respectful and don't argue with them.
Its been a few years since I left but I still love Waterford and its people. Its a shame to see the way things have gone but arguing over the tiniest detail or throwing blame around isn't going to solve anything. There are people working hard to protect Waterford ,all with different political and social views...just cause they don't come on boards and brag about it doesn't mean its not happening.

I've bolded and underlined the important bits. Maybe you might ask Phil to pass some of that Waterford's way.

fuzzy dunlop · 19-11-2012 10:30PM

Meatwad wrote: »

Well since there's been a pair of ye derailing topics and acting like utter trolls ,I thought I'd join in. I think the muppet babies make as much sense as half the tripe that has been posted here the last few weeks.
I'm not attacking anyone but since you've made a point of singling yourself out with your aggressive illogical responses and have avoided discussion at all cost, I though I might as well follow your lead ....with out being aggressive.

I'm not gonna keep posting here derailing the thread as long as you don't do the same thing. I understand that you're passionate about whats happening in Waterford...all of us are, but the difference is you have added about as much to this thread as I have. I'm sure that there's alot of people that share your point of view....I'm not saying I don't agree with some things you say....but you have a nack of rubbing people up the wrong way by not respecting other peoples opinions. Its a discussion forum not an argument forum. I dispise all politicians but I'm not gonna jump down some one throat for not sharing the same views I have. I'm beyond the point of arguing over politics as its counter productive.People aren't gonna change their views overnight or by reading a post on boards.No point arguing over it , better to take their views , respect them and move along. Christ, the way things come out here about KK and Waterford , it doesn't look like there's much hope in the middle east.

I've contributed a fair bit to waterford over the years in terms of festival organisation and running a few different businesses. I learned that the only way to achieve something for the city is through respect and compromise, You mightn't like the **** you have to sit down with but you stand a better chance of getting what you want if your respectful and don't argue with them.
Its been a few years since I left but I still love Waterford and its people. Its a shame to see the way things have gone but arguing over the tiniest detail or throwing blame around isn't going to solve anything. There are people working hard to protect Waterford ,all with different political and social views...just cause they don't come on boards and brag about it doesn't mean its not happening.

No need to be so agressive Meatwad.To use your parlance.BTW you will find my posts have been without exception on topic.No Muppet babies just discussion. I see the trolling monikor is bandied about here like snuff at a wake when it comes to criticizing Phil Hogan. Yet previously moderators have threatened people with banning for accusing other people of trolling. Strange that! BTW google what trolling actually is.It ain't me buddy.Posting pictures of muppetts on the other hand....

echosound · 19-11-2012 11:13PM

7upfree wrote: »

I've bolded and underlined the important bits. Maybe you might ask Phil to pass some of that Waterford's way.

Sweet baby jeebus will you ever give it a rest about Hogan. We ALL get it, how could we not, as virtually every post you make references how he's the devil incarnate hell bent on casting Waterford city adrift into the Irish sea.

Is it possible for you to talk about anything else barring how Hogan is the antichrist and how every single KK person are his evil minions whispering sweet nothings into his ear and asking him to please burn Waterford to the ground.

Sully, whilst I may not share your enthusiasm for FG, I have to say I am impressed at how you have refrained from losing your cool with all the shyte being bandied about regarding how mods are not allowed to hold opinions, even after it has been explained that other mods are moderating the threads you are posting your opinions in. I don't see anyone's posts being pulled, or anyone's right to engage in respectful debate being denied, so I don't know where all this rubbish about mod's opinions interfering with threads is coming from.

I thought the essence of fora discussion was to discuss different points of view, not one homogenous groupthink with fingers firmly in ears robotically espousing four feet good, two feet bad.

Are 7upFree and Fuzzy getting a kick out of posting endless circular points and seeing who'll rise to the bait? Why not invest some of that energy you obviously both have in something constructive that will actually benefit the city or it's people. To be honest you are both undermining the very things you are seeking to promote and turning people off discussing these important issues here. Thoughtful posts and valid information sources are getting lost among all the farcical ranting.

If posters on a forum who all have the same concerns cannot even have a coherent rational discussion, what hope is there for any widespread solidarity in trying to effect change in Waterford.

Edit:
Not sure if this has been posted already, but here's some media coverage of Waterford's plight encompassing both the gives a shirt and WRH issues.

O Riain · 20-11-2012 12:21AM

echosound wrote: »

Sweet baby jeebus will you ever give it a rest about Hogan. We ALL get it, how could we not, as virtually every post you make references how he's the devil incarnate hell bent on casting Waterford city adrift into the Irish sea.

Is it possible for you to talk about anything else barring how Hogan is the antichrist and how every single KK person are his evil minions whispering sweet nothings into his ear and asking him to please burn Waterford to the ground.

Sully, whilst I may not share your enthusiasm for FG, I have to say I am impressed at how you have refrained from losing your cool with all the shyte being bandied about regarding how mods are not allowed to hold opinions, even after it has been explained that other mods are moderating the threads you are posting your opinions in. I don't see anyone's posts being pulled, or anyone's right to engage in respectful debate being denied, so I don't know where all this rubbish about mod's opinions interfering with threads is coming from.

I thought the essence of fora discussion was to discuss different points of view, not one homogenous groupthink with fingers firmly in ears robotically espousing four feet good, two feet bad.

Are 7upFree and Fuzzy getting a kick out of posting endless circular points and seeing who'll rise to the bait? Why not invest some of that energy you obviously both have in something constructive that will actually benefit the city or it's people. To be honest you are both undermining the very things you are seeking to promote and turning people off discussing these important issues here. Thoughtful posts and valid information sources are getting lost among all the farcical ranting.

If posters on a forum who all have the same concerns cannot even have a coherent rational discussion, what hope is there for any widespread solidarity in trying to effect change in Waterford.

Edit:
Not sure if this has been posted already, but here's some media coverage of Waterford's plight encompassing both the gives a shirt and WRH issues.

Dead right, I actually share the most of the same views with them but its getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage.

7upfree · 20-11-2012 09:38AM

echosound wrote: »

Sweet baby jeebus will you ever give it a rest about Hogan. We ALL get it, how could we not, as virtually every post you make references how he's the devil incarnate hell bent on casting Waterford city adrift into the Irish sea.

I made the point earlier that it was recommended that ALL City & County Councils be merged, as pointed out by one Sully. However, only Waterford and Limerick were singled out. Hogan never got over the whole boundary extension thing.

echosound wrote: »

Sully, whilst I may not share your enthusiasm for FG, I have to say I am impressed at how you have refrained from losing your cool with all the shyte being bandied about regarding how mods are not allowed to hold opinions, even after it has been explained that other mods are moderating the threads you are posting your opinions in. I don't see anyone's posts being pulled, or anyone's right to engage in respectful debate being denied, so I don't know where all this rubbish about mod's opinions interfering with threads is coming from.

I thought the essence of fora discussion was to discuss different points of view, not one homogenous groupthink with fingers firmly in ears robotically espousing four feet good, two feet bad.

This is a Waterford forum. Waterford is under attack on several economic and social fronts. If pointing out the glaringly obvious is, as you term it, "robotically espousing four feet good, two feet bad" then - hey - we're guilty. You appear to have no issue with someone consistently defending a political entity which is threatening this City's very survival. Strange doesn't even cover that one.

echosound wrote: »

Thoughtful posts and valid information sources are getting lost among all the farcical political ranting.

FYP. I can assure you we have invested that time and energy well. Instead of defending a political stance, perhaps you might invest some of your own?

echosound wrote: »

If posters on a forum who all have the same concerns cannot even have a coherent rational discussion, what hope is there for any widespread solidarity in trying to effect change in Waterford.

Edit:
Not sure if this has been posted already, but here's some media coverage of Waterford's plight encompassing both the gives a shirt and WRH issues.

You're a bit late posting that. Glad to see that you recognise we are all on the same page here. But I take issue with your defence of those members of political parties on this thread. You have targetted myself and FD - while many others have also taken the said individual to task. I wonder why.......

Reality:

Thousands like myself couldn't give a fiddlers about FG - we only care about this city. But if someone chooses to come on ANY forum and defend their actions then, yes, they will be replied to. If that offends you - or people with your outlook - then tough.

All that matters is this City. End of story.

Bards · 20-11-2012 09:40AM

Sully wrote: »

1Likewise, if WIT wishes to join with Carlow - its their own business and the Dept. of Education wont interfere..

...as long as it is what the said Dept wishes the outcome to be, otherwise they will draw up yet another damn report to add to the countless others to say it can't be so..

you know it, I know it, and the pigs on the street know it too - It Stinks

Dicky Pride · 20-11-2012 10:15AM

So here it is SOUTH EAST TAKE A STAND PROTEST...Saturday, 8 December 2012 @14:00 Ballybricken, Waterford bring the family, and santa hats!!!

I may be the cynical type but what are they expecting to achieve with this one? Marches in waterford are fine as a one off to show the media the numbers that we came out in but what's the point of doing it again? You're not even going to get 10% of the numbers for the first one and nobody that matters will care that it's happening.

We need 2do sumthing different 2 keep d momentum going. So we want every1 in Santa hats/outfits/county colours,most importantly, 2 be there!

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.

Elbows22 · 20-11-2012 10:23AM

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I may be the cynical type but what are they expecting to achieve with this one? Marches in waterford are fine as a one off to show the media the numbers that we came out in but what's the point of doing it again? You're not even going to get 10% of the numbers for the first one and nobody that matters will care that it's happening.

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.

Note to self - Buy Santa hat..... No just kidding

7upfree · 20-11-2012 10:37AM

Great article.

Mary Roche take a bow as always.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/news-special-waterford-day-2-people-forging--214507.html

Michael Walsh targetted the core issue IMHO.

Swinng · 20-11-2012 12:26PM

Sadly they have also given John Deasy some space in the paper to say it is the people that are wrong because the government is right

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/more-work-going-on-to-secure-future-of-waterford-than-the-public-realise-214506.html

Sully · 20-11-2012 02:07PM

Swinng wrote: »

Sadly they have also given John Deasy some space in the paper to say it is the people that are wrong because the government is right

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/more-work-going-on-to-secure-future-of-waterford-than-the-public-realise-214506.html

I can't believe I am saying this but to be fair to John, he is usually one to knock his own party and complain. Its an interesting comment by him and he appears to be suggesting that we have jumped the gun on assumptions and finger pointing in the wrong direction. John doesn't do what he is told - he has his own mind and he will speak it, regardless.

7upfree · 20-11-2012 02:23PM

Sully wrote: »

I can't believe I am saying this but to be fair to John, he is usually one to knock his own party and complain. Its an interesting comment by him and he appears to be suggesting that we have jumped the gun on assumptions and finger pointing in the wrong direction. John doesn't do what he is told - he has his own mind and he will speak it, regardless.

Sadly that has him where he is today. His article smacked way too much of trying to justify what's going on. I had high hopes for him, but the smoking fiasco and the push against Inda have finished him as a force in the short to medium term.

O Riain · 20-11-2012 02:39PM

Sully wrote: »

I can't believe I am saying this but to be fair to John, he is usually one to knock his own party and complain. Its an interesting comment by him and he appears to be suggesting that we have jumped the gun on assumptions and finger pointing in the wrong direction. John doesn't do what he is told - he has his own mind and he will speak it, regardless.

Seems fair enough Sully, can you tell me one thing though, I know nobody knows too much about the ins and outs of the technological university but with literally every other IT in the country building up similiar relations with other ITs in order to apply for the technological university, will we be faced into a situation exactly like we are in right now once all the other ITs become technological universitys just like us?

Sully · 20-11-2012 02:43PM

O Riain wrote: »

Seems fair enough Sully, can you tell me one thing though, I know nobody knows too much about the ins and outs of the technological university but with literally every other IT in the country building up similiar relations with other ITs in order to apply for the technological university, will we be faced into a situation exactly like we are in right now once all the other ITs become technological universitys just like us?

Well when it was full university status, as it is now, the same was happening. It would be up to the Minister to ensure that everybody can't do the same and tbh if it was let happen, it would be completely stupid.

O Riain · 20-11-2012 03:02PM

Sully wrote: »

Well when it was full university status, as it is now, the same was happening. It would be up to the Minister to ensure that everybody can't do the same and tbh if it was let happen, it would be completely stupid.

Personally I dont see how they could implement any legislation that would permit one group of ITs to become a technological university and not another, unless they just said it could only be granted where there is no University in the local area.

Sully · 20-11-2012 03:34PM

O Riain wrote: »

Personally I dont see how they could implement any legislation that would permit one group of ITs to become a technological university and not another, unless they just said it could only be granted where there is no University in the local area.

Then how is it that we have ITs and Universities? Surely if you believe the above, than WIT should automatically become a University - because others are, so why not WIT?

Its just another structure of third level education.

fuzzy dunlop · 20-11-2012 03:40PM

Sully wrote: »

Then how is it that we have ITs and Universities? Surely if you believe the above, than WIT should automatically become a University - because others are, so why not WIT?

Its just another structure of third level education.

That is the question.And it has been pointed out before because there is nothing in legislation preventing WIT or any IT being upgraded.

Bards · 20-11-2012 10:12PM

Sully wrote: »

Well when it was full university status, as it is now, the same was happening. It would be up to the Minister to ensure that everybody can't do the same and tbh if it was let happen, it would be completely stupid.

..but surley they can be allowed do what they want, and the minister can't stop them aka kilkenny leaving the s.e hospital group? .. Oh wait, we had a few reports on this saying that this isnt possible

Sully · 20-11-2012 10:56PM

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

That is the question.And it has been pointed out before because there is nothing in legislation preventing WIT or any IT being upgraded.

So what's the problem for WIT? If there is nothing stopping them, why don't they just say to the Minister "Hey, thanks for the offer of an application process but no thanks. Nothing stopping us. We are now a Tech Uni. So yeah, give us all the money. Thanks!".

As an aside, there is nothing that says what a Tech University is or does. Such a structure does not exist. This is what is being developed by the Minister. He already said he does not wish to add any additional Universities but will create a different type of University which, he feels, would serve those ITs better.

Bards wrote: »

..but surley they can be allowed do what they want, and the minister can't stop them aka kilkenny leaving the s.e hospital group? .. Oh wait, we had a few reports on this saying that this isnt possible

Apples and Oranges, Bards! You cant just setup a college of any description. You cant just setup a hospital. You need permission. Certain things you need permission to do from the relevant body or group. Certain things you are flexible with. So no, you cant just 'become' a Tech Uni or a Uni. You need to apply to the Minister and see if its accepted.

O Riain · 20-11-2012 11:35PM

Sully wrote: »

So what's the problem for WIT? If there is nothing stopping them, why don't they just say to the Minister "Hey, thanks for the offer of an application process but no thanks. Nothing stopping us. We are now a Tech Uni. So yeah, give us all the money. Thanks!".

As an aside, there is nothing that says what a Tech University is or does. Such a structure does not exist. This is what is being developed by the Minister. He already said he does not wish to add any additional Universities but will create a different type of University which, he feels, would serve those ITs better.

Apples and Oranges, Bards! You cant just setup a college of any description. You cant just setup a hospital. You need permission. Certain things you need permission to do from the relevant body or group. Certain things you are flexible with. So no, you cant just 'become' a Tech Uni or a Uni. You need to apply to the Minister and see if its accepted.

And if you fulfill the criteria then why would it not be accepted?

7upfree · 21-11-2012 06:38AM

O Riain wrote: »

And if you fulfill the criteria then why would it not be accepted?

Politics. And a nearby city with four letters in its name.

7upfree · 21-11-2012 06:39AM

Sully wrote: »

You need to apply to the Minister and see if its accepted.

Applications done and dusted.

It is widely accepted that it is an open and shut case if ever there was one to upgrade the place.

nice_very · 22-11-2012 02:20AM

I wish this whole issue of WRH were a popularity contest or a way of getting one up on others, sadly it is not. People were told or advised or asked to stay away from WRH last friday. I will now paraphrase some of the comments made in this thread and on facebook, prior to last friday:

...advise people to not protest...

...gardai aware of the type of people attending..

..any protest will get messy...

...with their own agenda...

... peaceful, dignified, non political protest...

... after the protest we will say ''I told you so''... as in told you what would happen

Those who made such comments, in light of todays decision by kk hospital consultants, should now wake the fcuk up and realise that YOU were wrong, we had a chance to make a very big statement last friday with a public show of dissatisfaction, I am not talking about angry mob mentality, I am talking about in your face full on confrontation. I am not talking about violence, I am talking about legal disobedience. Where was the people power on friday last? sheets of paper with signatures? those of you who stayed away and allowed free passage to reilly? or those of us who have, and used, our voices and presence.

a caller/texter to wlr on wed morning supporting the delivery of shirts to Leinster house suggested: dump them all in front of the gates, and dont be so dignified this time.

I told you so.

Sully · 22-11-2012 02:35AM

I was wrong. I am glad that I was wrong and that they held themselves fairly well (bar the silly chanting). I was afraid it would not go peacefully. I am delighted that I was proven wrong.

If 15k didn't make a difference, then 15k to James Reily wouldn't either. Kilkenny made their choice and it was heading the way for sometime. John Deasy blames WRH consultants. God knows whose fault it is tbh.

As long as WRH remains as is, ill sleep easy.

WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday the 23rd of Feb

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