Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

MaxPower89 · 15-11-2012 03:30PM

meriwether wrote: »

Dembele out of NL derby.

We should be able to dominate midfield now. Huddlestone is hilarious.

I really don't understand the Huddlestone hating, it seems to be a common perception. He was excellent last weekend, good with either foot and a super range of passing.

keano_afc · 15-11-2012 04:01PM

meriwether wrote: »

Dembele out of NL derby.

We should be able to dominate midfield now. Huddlestone is hilarious.

Man United's midfield is no great shakes and I didnt see us dominate them.

amiable · 15-11-2012 05:38PM

Ivan Gazidis told the BBC that Arsenal will compete with any side in the world over the next few seasons due to their financial might

tayto lover · 15-11-2012 07:22PM

amiable wrote: »

Ivan Gazidis told the BBC that Arsenal will compete with any side in the world over the next few seasons due to their financial might

They could compete now if they'd invest a few million in the team.

Galvasean · 15-11-2012 10:19PM

amiable wrote: »

Ivan Gazidis told the BBC that Arsenal will compete with any side in the world over the next few seasons due to their financial might

*awaits four more years of embarassing inconsistency*

Mr.Micro · 15-11-2012 10:49PM

amiable wrote: »

Ivan Gazidis told the BBC that Arsenal will compete with any side in the world over the next few seasons due to their financial might

If the playing field changes that is..... ie tighter fiscal rules from UEFA, and its all ifs as far as I can see, more like a business plan, than football strategy. In the mean time Arsenal has to qualify for CL by finishing in the top 4 and indeed survive the season. Big talk is all it is from Gazidis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20220153

djPSB · 15-11-2012 11:02PM

MaxPower89 wrote: »

I really don't understand the Huddlestone hating, it seems to be a common perception. He was excellent last weekend, good with either foot and a super range of passing.

He's big, slow and awkward.

greendom · 15-11-2012 11:16PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Man United's midfield is no great shakes and I didnt see us dominate them.

If the Man Utd games proves to be an indicator of how we perform this season, we are screwed.

DenMan · 15-11-2012 11:23PM

This Saturday is going to make or break Wenger imo. Either we have a great performance and batter Tottenham or our defensive frailties are shown again and Spurs batter us. They are missing some key names, but that will only inspire those who start against us. I hope the real Arsenal stand up on Saturday in the early kick off. It's going to be a defining moment in the history of Arsenal Football Club.

Galvasean · 15-11-2012 11:37PM

DenMan wrote: »

This Saturday is going to make or break Wenger imo. Either we have a great performance and batter Tottenham or our defensive frailties are shown again and Spurs batter us. They are missing some key names, but that will only inspire those who start against us. I hope the real Arsenal stand up on Saturday in the early kick off. It's going to be a defining moment in the history of Arsenal Football Club.

Ah here! It's a big game no doubt, but you're hyping it up WAY too much.

DenMan · 15-11-2012 11:46PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Ah here! It's a big game no doubt, but you're hyping it up WAY too much.

We'll see lads. If we lose the amount of people calling for Wenger's head (606 etc) will reach epic proportions and the media will go to town on us.

jordainius · 15-11-2012 11:53PM

DenMan wrote: »

We'll see lads. If we lose the amount of people calling for Wenger's head (606 etc) will reach epic proportions and the media will go to town on us.

If we win, not much changes, if we lose I'm taking a break from the internet for a few days. I don't agree that it will make or break Wenger though.

MaxPower89 · 15-11-2012 11:56PM

djPSB wrote: »

He's big, slow and awkward.

He isnt a raiding winger so him being big and slow is fairly unimportant.

We could do with someone a bit bigger in the middle ourselves perhaps, in Diaby's absense. It certainly aint clicking in there at the moment, maybe its just the lack of games between the personal or is the balance not right?

Galvasean · 16-11-2012 12:36AM

DenMan wrote: »

We'll see lads. If we lose the amount of people calling for Wenger's head (606 etc) will reach epic proportions and the media will go to town on us.

A few internet whiners and some over the top journalism does not a 'defining moment in the history of Arsenal Football Club' make.

Mickeroo · 16-11-2012 01:54AM

DenMan wrote: »

This Saturday is going to make or break Wenger imo. Either we have a great performance and batter Tottenham or our defensive frailties are shown again and Spurs batter us. They are missing some key names, but that will only inspire those who start against us. I hope the real Arsenal stand up on Saturday in the early kick off. It's going to be a defining moment in the history of Arsenal Football Club.

I'm pretty sure Wenger "made" himself quite a while ago

Besides, this happens every year. We go through a bad patch, the "Wenger out" ramblings surface, Tottenham start saying it's their year(because Everton don't exist apparently) and the media starts talking about some sort of crisis. Then we string a few wins together and the pundits are clinbing over themselves to say what lovely football we play and what a great job wenger does without spending a **** tonne of cash.

tayto lover · 16-11-2012 10:24AM

Meanwhile "Rosicky, Diaby and Gibbs are lone term injuries" according to Wenger.

My solution -- Immediately put them on the transfer list and see how that speeds-up their recovery.
Seriously these lads have to be taking the piss. They are spending more time recovering than they are playing. It's being going on for years now with these three. Time to ship out and replace if anyone wants them that is. The Emirates is becoming a retirement home.

2ndcoming · 16-11-2012 10:45AM

All 3 are important members of the squad sadly, if they don't get a decent run of availability this season then it'll have to be the exit door.

I still think our best 11 is:

Szczesny

--Sagna---Mertesacker--Vermaelen--Gibbs--

Arteta

Diaby

--Cazorla

Wilshere

Podolski----

Giroud

Subs: Mannone, Jenkinson, Koscielny, Walcott, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin

The chances of us ever having this squad fit are ridiculously small.

Big one tomorrow, getting nervous...

bad2dabone · 16-11-2012 12:40PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Meanwhile "Rosicky, Diaby and Gibbs are lone term injuries" according to Wenger.

My solution -- Immediately put them on the transfer list and see how that speeds-up their recovery.
Seriously these lads have to be taking the piss. They are spending more time recovering than they are playing. It's being going on for years now with these three. Time to ship out and replace if anyone wants them that is. The Emirates is becoming a retirement home.

agree. Rosicky has been a total sicknote for a few years, Gibbs, different story he's only young i'd give him a chance, but Diaby, well he's not reliable enough. We should and could replace them. The amount of duffers we have tying up millions a season in wages - Park, Squillachi, Bendy boots, Chamakh, and the sicknotes - Rosicky and Diaby, and the couldn't give a ****e - Arshavin, they need to be shipped out straight away. Even on frees. none of those 7 players are on less than 50k a week, some on 70k+. It's an outrageous waste of money and an example of why Arsene has too much control in the club - I love Wenger for all he's done btw - but he's signed these chumps on too high wages and either he's not strict enough with them. Talk of letting Frimpong go, that sickens me he's a gooner and loves the club and we retain ****e players in the squad who nobody wants. ARGH.

tayto lover · 16-11-2012 01:06PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

agree. Rosicky has been a total sicknote for a few years, Gibbs, different story he's only young i'd give him a chance, but Diaby, well he's not reliable enough. We should and could replace them. The amount of duffers we have tying up millions a season in wages - Park, Squillachi, Bendy boots, Chamakh, and the sicknotes - Rosicky and Diaby, and the couldn't give a ****e - Arshavin, they need to be shipped out straight away. Even on frees. none of those 7 players are on less than 50k a week, some on 70k+. It's an outrageous waste of money and an example of why Arsene has too much control in the club - I love Wenger for all he's done btw - but he's signed these chumps on too high wages and either he's not strict enough with them. Talk of letting Frimpong go, that sickens me he's a gooner and loves the club and we retain ****e players in the squad who nobody wants. ARGH.

Could you ever imagine this situation happening at United?
AS soon as they identify a player who doesn't suit their system or who is always injured they ship him out. Like they did with twin 2. Vidic seems to be their only player who has a serious injury but you can bet your life he'll be back before any of our three.

greendom · 16-11-2012 01:18PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Could you ever imagine this situation happening at United?
AS soon as they identify a player who doesn't suit their system or who is always injured they ship him out. Like they did with twin 2. Vidic seems to be their only player who has a serious injury but you can bet your life he'll be back before any of our three.

They stuck with Hargreaves for a fairly long time - they were also lucky that City were prepared to take a punt on him

Frisbee · 16-11-2012 01:20PM

greendom wrote: »

they were also lucky that City were prepared to take a punt on him

Hargreaves was a free agent when City signed him.

16-11-2012 01:23PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

agree. Rosicky has been a total sicknote for a few years, Gibbs, different story he's only young i'd give him a chance, but Diaby, well he's not reliable enough. We should and could replace them. The amount of duffers we have tying up millions a season in wages - Park, Squillachi, Bendy boots, Chamakh, and the sicknotes - Rosicky and Diaby, and the couldn't give a ****e - Arshavin, they need to be shipped out straight away. Even on frees. none of those 7 players are on less than 50k a week, some on 70k+. It's an outrageous waste of money and an example of why Arsene has too much control in the club - I love Wenger for all he's done btw - but he's signed these chumps on too high wages and either he's not strict enough with them. Talk of letting Frimpong go, that sickens me he's a gooner and loves the club and we retain ****e players in the squad who nobody wants. ARGH.

A: Do you know how expensive it would be to get rid of them?
B: Most of those players are on contacts that they would not get anywhere else, so why should they approve a transfer? Chamackh even publicly came out and said that!
C: The talk of Frimpong leaving is just that. Talk. Indeed Frimpong posted as much on his twitter! He needs playing time, can't get it at Arsenal atm, so e's going out on loan. Good move imo

emergingstar · 16-11-2012 01:30PM

So we basically have to give most of the team late fitness tests great

Re frimpong he is only going on loan but I would have no problem selling him don't think he is good enough to make it

jester77 · 16-11-2012 01:33PM

Soups123 wrote: »

I see Spurs have already started there annual 'this is gonna be the year talk', they just don't learn

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8246681/Tottenham-assistant-boss-Steffen-Freund-believes-the-club-are-closing-on-Arsenal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQy79kJMME

bad2dabone · 16-11-2012 02:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A: Do you know how expensive it would be to get rid of them?

but who's fault is it that we've backed ourselves into the corner with these guys?

Deleted User wrote: »

B: Most of those players are on contacts that they would not get anywhere else, so why should they approve a transfer? Chamackh even publicly came out and said that!

To an extent you can't blame the players for being paid those wages they were offered the contracts and i'm sure were delighted to sign them, the issue lies with the club giving great deals to players who weren't good enough. And now we're stuck with them. Not a problem if it's one or two, but we've got 6 or 7. Who gives these contracts out? Park's supposed to be on 60k a week, who signed him for 60k a week and won't play the guy? it's infuriating. I'm not having a go but you can see where i'm coming from I hope.

Deleted User wrote: »

C: The talk of Frimpong leaving is just that. Talk. Indeed Frimpong posted as much on his twitter! He needs playing time, can't get it at Arsenal atm, so e's going out on loan. Good move imo

Fair enough, i'm glad we're keeping players like him who are willing to give it all for the club. We need more of that.

gnfnrhead · 16-11-2012 03:01PM

I dont mind Diaby, Rosicky and Gibbs as all three are quality when fit. Its worth sticking with them but Rosicky is starting to get a bit old. Diaby and Gibbs will be fine for another while.

It's annoying how poor their fitness is, but they shouldnt be anywhere near first out the door.

Squillaci, Park, Denilson, Fabianski, Bendtner, Arshavin, Chamakh and Djourou (wouldnt be opposed to putting Santos on here too provided we sign a replacement first) in roughly that order should all be looking at the exit before Gibbs, Diaby or Rosicky.

Of those 8 (excluding Santos) only Arshavin and Chamakh are anywhere close to the first team. The rest are literally dead weight. Most of them wouldnt be vital to replace so we could use any money and wages on worthwhile players instead. Even just the extra wages would be a big help. Shame we'll probably only get rid of one or two and keep the rest.

Irish Aris · 16-11-2012 03:02PM

TBH, I wouldn't mind getting rid of Diaby, good player but no consistance contribution. . .like never.

Rosicky is 32 now. Who would want him? Probably not looking for a big team. When does his contract with us ends?

Arshavin, no comment. The one thing I can't forgive to a player is indifference. He is also 31.

Gibbs that was mentioned above, he is still young and I like his playing style. I would give him some time before dismissing him because of injurys.

greendom · 16-11-2012 03:07PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

TBH, I wouldn't mind getting rid of Diaby, good player but no consistance contribution. . .like never.

Did you watch the Liverpool game this year ? Immense that day - I agree its doubtful we'll ever see it again but he showed what he was capable of that day and why Wenger persevered.

bad2dabone · 16-11-2012 03:11PM

greendom wrote: »

Did you watch the Liverpool game this year ? Immense that day - I agree its doubtful we'll ever see it again but he showed what he was capable of that day and why Wenger persevered.

I agree, but there comes a time when you have to say he's not able physically for the demands of the game and let him off. He's by no means close to the top of the list of players i'd like to see the club dump though.

16-11-2012 03:15PM

greendom wrote: »

Did you watch the Liverpool game this year ?

Worth every penny.

This crap about him contributing a lot or being important to the squad is just that, crap. If we had Messi playing a match or 2 a season would he be an important part of the squad? No. Whether it's Diaby's fault or not is irrelevant, he's been a gigantic waste of money and the fact that people are still talking about him as being an important part of the squad or of future plans is completely ****ing insane. I was happy with Rosicky last season I'll admit but he's not worth it at this stage.

Anyway, rant over, but I'm bloody sick of hearing about Diaby, he's pretty much an irrelevance to Arsenal and has been since he first arrived and got a paper cut after signing his contract.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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