Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

MaxPower89

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Surely Miquel is ahead of Squillachi now?

Probably ya, forgot about him.

farna_boy

Don't really know about a 3-5-2. I suppose it could work if the line up was something like:

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Scez

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Kos

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Mert -

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Verm

Ramsey(?) ---- Cazorla

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Arteta

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Wilshere

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Gervinho/Ox

Walcott - Giroud

But even looking at that we have one main problem: Who do we have that can play on the right wing besides Walcott?

I do think that our current formation is the biggest problem. Ideally in a 4-3-3 the 3 in the centre are: a right winger, a centre midfielder and a left winger. We have 3 central midfielders, who unsurprisingly all try to play throught the centre. So in essence, our formation at the moment looks more like:

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Scez

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Sagna

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Mert

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Kos

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Gibbbs

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Arteta-- Jack -- Cazorla

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Walcott

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Giroud

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Podolski

Which is leaving Gibbs and Jenkinson totally exposed.


I'd say we would be much better off playing either a 4-5-1, which really doesn't change anything from our current formation, except the two on the wing drop back a bit, or we play a 4-4-1-1 with either Cazorla or Walcott playing behind/off Giroud.

In the 4-5-1, we would probably be slightly stronger in defence (as opposed to now), as the two on the wings are supposed to be playing directly in front of defence and the three in the centre can play as they are doing now and just focus on that instead of being dragged out to the wings.

A 4-4-1-1 could work a little better overall though as it would still give us a strong defence but Giroud gets some help up top as well, which could benefit him either to score goals himself or for him to provide goals to whoever is supporting him.

emergingstar

I wouldn't like us to use 3-5-2 all the time just try it and If it works we have another option, at the moment we have only one and that's not working
At least if it worked we could change mid game if needed or god forbid change our formation or tactics to suit whichever team were facing

Anyway

Here is a little quote from jenks I'm starting to love this guy

CJ on if Barca tried to sign him "I’ve supported AFC since I was a boy so for me the pride of wearing an AFC shirt is a lot more valuable”

Arsenal DNA

gosplan

emergingstar wrote: »

I see the mirror are saying wenger is thinking of switching to 3-5-2

I'd like to see this tried at least I think we might be actually good in this formation

I don't want him trying it for the NLD though surely with the internationals midweek we don't have enough time training for this

So in short I'm all for trying it just not this Saturday

Saw that too. Don't think the formation will particularly help us when the captain is faced with an easy clearence in the first couple of minutes away to Man Utd.

I'm all for looking at a switch in formation but not for defensive reasons.

Galvasean

emergingstar wrote: »

Here is a little quote from jenks I'm starting to love this guy

CJ on if Barca tried to sign him "I’ve supported AFC since I was a boy so for me the pride of wearing an AFC shirt is a lot more valuable”

Arsenal DNA

I recall seeing a ten year old RvP in full Arsenal kit with his entire bedroom pimped out in Arsenal stuff...

DenMan

Carl Jenkinson after signing new contract : "Even if Barcelona came and offered lots of money, I’ve supported Arsenal since I was a boy so for me the pride of wearing an Arsenal shirt is a lot more valuable.”

Great stuff! Has really done well for us this season.

Soups123

I see Spurs have already started there annual 'this is gonna be the year talk', they just don't learn

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8246681/Tottenham-assistant-boss-Steffen-Freund-believes-the-club-are-closing-on-Arsenal

Galvasean

Soups123 wrote: »

I see Spurs have already started there annual 'this is gonna be the year talk', they just don't learn

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8246681/Tottenham-assistant-boss-Steffen-Freund-believes-the-club-are-closing-on-Arsenal

Have they not realised by now that the more tehy talk about it the more pressure it puts on the team? They'd stand a better chance of achieving this goal if they'd just shut up and let their football do the talking. Then talk about it after the job was done.
It reminds me how Spurs were doing amazing last season until 'Arry started saying Spurs could win the title. They started to slump after that and ended up very far from the top. Adding pressure when you are not very likely to succeed is simply a bad tactic.

jordainius

Their obsession with us is rather disturbing, they should spend more time concentrating on themselves instead of us.

Mind you, that "Them up the road" thread they had here was hilarious at the end of last season! He who laughs last laughs longest!:D

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

I wouldn't like us to use 3-5-2 all the time just try it and If it works we have another option, at the moment we have only one and that's not working
At least if it worked we could change mid game if needed or god forbid change our formation or tactics to suit whichever team were facing

Anyway

Here is a little quote from jenks I'm starting to love this guy

CJ on if Barca tried to sign him "I’ve supported AFC since I was a boy so for me the pride of wearing an AFC shirt is a lot more valuable”

Arsenal DNA

RVP said the same. We saw pictures of his bedroom as a boy.
Rooney said the same

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when at Everton, even kissing the badge in front of the home fans a good 3 weeks before he left..
There are many many others.
I'm afraid money and trophies speak louder than loyalty.

Galvasean

Alex Song said he was going nowhere and looking forward to signing a new contract with Arsenal only a week before he left...

Mickeroo

I see Santi didn't play in Panama tonight, hopefully that means he'll be fresh for the weekend, unless he's jet lagged of course.

Not sure about this 3-5-2 business, I 'd rather keep the back four as is. A 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 with Theo/Podolski and Giroud up front would be better.

Reekwind

farna_boy wrote: »

Don't really know about a 3-5-2. I suppose it could work if the line up was something like:

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Scez

---

Kos

---

Mert -

---

Verm

Ramsey(?) ---- Cazorla

---

Arteta

---

Wilshere

---

Gervinho/Ox

Walcott - Giroud

A 3-5-2 with no wingbacks? I wouldn't play either Ramsey or Gervinho/Ox in that position. Nor would three at the back solve the problem of teams shutting up shop against Arsenal; what's the point of a spare man at the back when the opposition is only playing one up front?

That said, Vermaelen would make a pretty good libero

If we were to go with 3-5-2:

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Sczsney

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Kosc - Mert - Verm -
--Sagna

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Gibbs

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Arteta

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Wilshere

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Cazorla

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Walcott

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Giroud

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Mickeroo

AdamD wrote: »

If we were to go with 3-5-2:

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Sczsney

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Kosc - Mert - Verm -
--Sagna

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Gibbs

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Arteta

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Wilshere

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---

Cazorla

---

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Walcott

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Giroud

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With sagna and gibbs there I'd call that a 5-3-2. Would have thought we'd play 2 attacking players further forward instead of the full backs?

farna_boy

Reekwind wrote: »

A 3-5-2 with no wingbacks? I wouldn't play either Ramsey or Gervinho/Ox in that position. Nor would three at the back solve the problem of teams shutting up shop against Arsenal; what's the point of a spare man at the back when the opposition is only playing one up front?

That said, Vermaelen would make a pretty good libero

I see where you are coming from, but I just think that by playing Gibbs and Sagna there, it would nullify our offence because you are then essentially playing a 5-3-2 which is over the top defensive. I don't think that playing Verm, Kos and Mert all at one time is a good idea either because if one of them got injured we would have to one to bring off the bench without changing our formation anyway.

A 3-5-2 to me means 3 defenders, 5 midfielders and 2 forwards. I suppose the alternative would be something like:

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Scez

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Sagna

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Verm

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Gibbbs

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Jack

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Ramsey

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Arteta --- Cazorla

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Podolski

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Walcott ---- Giroud

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With Jack playing as a defensive midfielder. Saying that I would hate to drop Mert as he has been one of our best defenders this year but he wouldn't have the pace for this formation unless Jack was covering him all the time (in which case we are back to essentially playing a 4-4-2 again).

Just on your point with regards Ox/Gervinho, they were only there because I forgot about Podolski tbh. If you aren't going to play Ramsey on the wing, which I would prefer not to either, and Walcott wants to/is playing up front, who would you play on the right instead?

Also, how the hell do we only have one (natural) right winger in the team? I know Arshavin is there but the only reason he is putting in a half arsed effort now is because he isn't getting his game. If you gave him the right wing he would revert to form quickly enough.

Reekwind

Mickeroo wrote: »

With sagna and gibbs there I'd call that a 5-3-2. Would have thought we'd play 2 attacking players further forward instead of the full backs?

Wingbacks are defenders, just more advanced than fullbacks, not wingers. Ideally you'd want an attacking fullback in there (eg Alves) or a wide midfielder who can defend (eg Bale). But I wouldn't put an attacking midfielder (eg Walcott, Ox) in that role. Given that these are the players that Arsenal have an abundance of, it's why the formation wouldn't suit

So AdamD's representation of a typical 3-5-2 is accurate

AnCapaillMor

We get murdered enough down the wings as it is, sagna and gibbs would be perfect for left and right, it might even suit santos more, they're good going forward but also good at the back. Putting 2 attacking players would be suicide, we'd be like ossie's spuds side back in the day with 5-4, 3-4 scorelines.

batistuta9

on the Alan Davies podcast there last week they were talking about the Man U & Schalke games and Santos getting no help, then one of them was saying that Didi Hamann told him that Podolski was a lazy player or is known to be a lazy player

so we mightn't see any of that defensive work he was doing at the start of the season again anytime soon

it was also said that RVP knew exactly what he was doing giving Santos the jersey on the pitch

greendom

batistuta9 wrote: »

on the Alan Davies podcast there last week they were talking about the Man U & Schalke games and Santos getting no help, then one of them was saying that Didi Hamann told him that Podolski was a lazy player or is known to be a lazy player

so we mightn't see any of that defensive work he was doing at the start of the season again anytime soon

it was also said that RVP knew exactly what he was doing giving Santos the jersey on the pitch

It was Santos being brought into the team that co-incicded with his lack of effort - as soon as Gibbs is back Poldi will be back too.

batistuta9

greendom wrote: »

It was Santos being brought into the team that co-incicded with his lack of effort - as soon as Gibbs is back Poldi will be back too.

How would Didi Hamann then make a comment like that, if Podolski's only played in the same team as Santos a handful of times?

He's only lazy because of who plays with him :pac::pac::pac:

Walcott used to be the scapegoat around here & for arsenal fans now everything will be Santos's fault

Mickeroo

farna_boy wrote: »

I see where you are coming from, but I just think that by playing Gibbs and Sagna there, it would nullify our offence because you are then essentially playing a 5-3-2 which is over the top defensive. I don't think that playing Verm, Kos and Mert all at one time is a good idea either because if one of them got injured we would have to one to bring off the bench without changing our formation anyway.

A 3-5-2 to me means 3 defenders, 5 midfielders and 2 forwards. I suppose the alternative would be something like:

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Scez

---

Sagna

---

Verm

---

Gibbbs

---

Jack

---

Ramsey

---

Arteta --- Cazorla

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Podolski

---

Walcott ---- Giroud

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With Jack playing as a defensive midfielder. Saying that I would hate to drop Mert as he has been one of our best defenders this year but he wouldn't have the pace for this formation unless Jack was covering him all the time (in which case we are back to essentially playing a 4-4-2 again).

Just on your point with regards Ox/Gervinho, they were only there because I forgot about Podolski tbh. If you aren't going to play Ramsey on the wing, which I would prefer not to either, and Walcott wants to/is playing up front, who would you play on the right instead?

Also, how the hell do we only have one (natural) right winger in the team? I know Arshavin is there but the only reason he is putting in a half arsed effort now is because he isn't getting his game. If you gave him the right wing he would revert to form quickly enough.

That backline is the most terrifying thing I've ever seen on this thread

We have no natural wingers in the squad because Wenger keeps buying players who are or want to be central attacking midfielders/strikers and playing them on the wing. This is true of Gerv, Walcott, Arshavin, Podolski, even RVP, Cesc and Nasri to a certain extent. Funnily enough Ramsey is a complete juxtaposition of this.

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

It was Santos being brought into the team that co-incicded with his lack of effort - as soon as Gibbs is back Poldi will be back too.

O.K. but it is up to the manager and coaching staff to spot this laziness and give Podolski the boot in the hole he needs when not putting it all in.
I would have thought that if that was the truth then the boss would have him up for covering back even more with Santos playing.
If that is the case , Podolski being lazy, then the manager has a duty to make him cover even more when Gibbs is out. Players should not be in a position to shirk their duties. An internal fines system would soon sort that out.
There should be no hiding place for lazy players at any club.

greendom

batistuta9 wrote: »

How would Didi Hamann then make a comment like that, if Podolski's only played in the same team as Santos a handful of times?

He's only lazy because of who plays with him :pac::pac::pac:

Walcott used to be the scapegoat around here & for arsenal fans now everything will be Santos's fault

I'm not saying he's being lazy because of Santos but that he formed a much better understanding/relationship with Gibbs. It's what I'm putting his dip of form down too anyway. We'll soon see when Gibbs returns...

meriwether

Dembele out of NL derby.

We should be able to dominate midfield now. Huddlestone is hilarious.

batistuta9

greendom wrote: »

I'm not saying he's being lazy because of Santos but that he formed a much better understanding/relationship with Gibbs. It's what I'm putting his dip of form down too anyway. We'll soon see when Gibbs returns...

Well i don't think Hamann was commenting on his lack of form, he was making a point of Podolski being a player that has a reputation of being lazy which i'm sure he didn't pick up overnight

greendom

batistuta9 wrote: »

Well i don't think Hamann was commenting on his lack of form, he was making a point of Podolski being a player that has a reputation of being lazy which i'm sure he didn't pick up overnight

It just struck me that he has seemed a completely different player since the West Ham game.

DenMan

Spain won 5-1 in Panama yesterday and Cazorla wasn't in the starting 11. I read he was to go with them. Maybe he was one of the two unused subs.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/match/96164/panama-vs-spain/report

Galvasean

meriwether wrote: »

Dembele out of NL derby.

We should be able to dominate midfield now. Huddlestone is hilarious.

I think he's underrated TBH. I'm also hearing Walker, Lennon and Defoe are doubtful.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Galvasean wrote: »

I think he's underrated TBH. I'm also hearing Walker, Lennon and Defoe are doubtful.

Yeah agreed, top quality player. <nothing to do with the PL draft at all:P>