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Rehabgroup CEO retains salary of half a million

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20 madra dubh


    In the article it states that no HSE money is used to fund the higher management positions.If that is the case, the only other funding stream is fundraising. It just doesn't sit well the fact that people give their time raising money for what they think is to enhance services but in reality is funding fat cat wages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    madra dubh wrote: »
    It just doesn't sit well the fact that people give their time raising money for what they think is to enhance services but in reality is funding fat cat wages.
    How much do you think the CEO of Rehab should be paid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭donaghs


    djpbarry wrote: »
    I’m not asking you to do any such thing. I’m asking you to point to a CEO based in Ireland at the head of an organisation similar in size to Rehab who is being paid €100k or less. I very much doubt you will be able to do so.

    see link below, charities of various sizes
    You probably would not get anyone worthwhile for less than 150k...but that is a hell of a lot less than the reported €400,000 this person is being paid.

    same
    djpbarry wrote: »
    How much do you think the CEO of Rehab should be paid?

    Here's an interesting article from 2011 showing some Irish Charity CEO pay.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbidgbqlgb/rss2/
    Clearly most of the salaries are closer to the €100K mark. And having been sliding downward since the end of the Celtic Tiger. This makes a nonsense of the previous arrogant statements belittling anyone who dared question what charities pay themselves.
    The head of Jack and Jill was getting less than €100. Does this mean they are useless? Of course not.

    Now, assuming she only gets her current €234,000 salary from Rehab (excluding bonuses, allowances for cars, phones, lunch, mileage, and all the other tricks of the trade to mask payment), that means she gets €19,500 gross per month. Reading this 2012 about the nation Rehab swimathon, http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/local/st-broghan-s-ns-tops-in-rehab-swimathon-1-3993757,
    One school in Offaly raised €500, and together all the participants nationally raised an impressive €21,000. Unfortunately that just about enough to cover one months gross salary for Angela. Worth thinking about....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I suppose in the private sector it'd be a case of how much it'd cost to get someone else to do same or better job... And do you get worth from her salary, ( don't forget to add her pension and perks cost onto her package )
    It sounds like a lot though...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Site Banned Posts: 104 ✭✭boiledsweets


    Ive worked in rehab care and they pay their workers they say competitive rates,i would say shit rates,they chew them and spit them out,high turnover rate also,i lasted about in all two years there,and went over to another not for profit organisation for their better competitive rates..

    Its no wonder the pay is so bad there when the CEOS are creaming the best of the money..I mean FFS 500,000 per year,i heard it was 400,000 per year :eek:

    Charity isnt charity...Take that from a charity worker,effectively the horses mouth..

    Ive done home help aswell with comfort keepers and ive seen situations of neglect with the other staff and patients in nursing homes as a student worker,the whole NGO not for profit system is a sham ,and they know it too,driving off in their big mercs...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    a lot of the full time admin people who run charities and other organisations are paid too much in Ireland

    eg
    rehab
    goal
    brothers of charity
    FAI
    IRFU
    and other sports organisations

    they almost set their own salaries!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    a lot of the full time admin people who run charities and other organisations are paid too much in Ireland

    eg
    rehab
    goal
    brothers of charity
    FAI
    IRFU
    and other sports organisations

    they almost set their own salaries!!

    I will bet they do not give much to charities as they know where it goes. They appear to be paid as well as the boys at the IBRC and other banks.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    His total income, including the rent, is not thought to be far above £150,000 a year. (~ €188K)

    It's a guy who runs an organisation that will spend a trillion dollars this year , controls nuclear weapons , the worlds fifth biggest economy and a seat on the UN security council.

    It's David Cameron. Most of the UK cabinet aren't even in the highest tax bracket over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    His total income, including the rent, is not thought to be far above £150,000 a year. (~ €188K)

    It's a guy who runs an organisation that will spend a trillion dollars this year , controls nuclear weapons , the worlds fifth biggest economy and a seat on the UN security council.

    It's David Cameron. Most of the UK cabinet aren't even in the highest tax bracket over there.

    Comparing the wage of a head of state to the head of an organization is entirely irrelevant. People don't enter politics to earn money.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    RMD wrote: »
    Comparing the wage of a head of state to the head of an organization is entirely irrelevant. People don't enter politics to earn money.

    So they should enter the charidee business to get the real money then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    RMD wrote: »
    Comparing the wage of a head of state to the head of an organization is entirely irrelevant. People don't enter politics to earn money.

    Could have fooled us.

    They enter it for the power to influence decisions in the hope to get money out of it as far as I can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Originally Posted by madra dubh View Post
    It just doesn't sit well the fact that people give their time raising money for what they think is to enhance services but in reality is funding fat cat wages.
    How much do you think the CEO of Rehab should be paid?

    With respect the point is charitable donations made in good faith are not being used for what they are meant for. If I make a donation to rehabcare I would expect it to be used to support the care of their service users. I have in the past made donations to rehabcare in my local town but recently I refused to do so because I have seen the wasteage that the organisation is guilty of. I am reminded of the hospital sweepstakes scandal. This woman is creaming money from an organisation that struggles to provide its service at a local level where every cent is counted and saved.

    She should be ashamed of this as it is a complete moral abuse of her position as the 'head' of what people see as a charity. This lack of morality and decency shows up the worst type of greed that seems acceptable to some people in our society. That she continues unabounded in this role without addressing the openly raised public disbelief at the money she 'earns' from this charity does not in my opinion display the compassion that someone in a role involving helping people should have. It is little wonder that under this woman the rehabcare group has developed a layer of highly paid management that does not work directly with their service users. A total disgrace and I would hope that the national media investigate and expose this scandalous situation sooner rather than later. The sad thing is that it is the people on the ground who do provide care and compassion along with the unfortunate service users that are losing out due to the greed of Angela Kerins and her sort.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    RMD wrote: »
    People don't enter politics to earn money.

    I would not agree. I suspect its the minority of people who would fit into your assumption.


  • Site Banned Posts: 33 yard_king


    RMD wrote: »
    Comparing the wage of a head of state to the head of an organization is entirely irrelevant. People don't enter politics to earn money.

    yes , matty mc grath could have been running intel , had he not decided to be a public servant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    With respect the point is charitable donations made in good faith are not being used for what they are meant for.
    I’m just making the point that running a large organization such as Rehab is an expensive business – there are going to be sizeable overheads. Now, that’s not to say that I’m defending the size of the salary in question – I’m not, as it does appear excessive, but, I don’t have all the facts.

    Anyway, the general subject of CEO pay at charities often comes up on this site and there is often a consensus that money spent on six figure salaries is money wasted, as if these organizations are spending big money on directors and executives just for the sake of it. There is obviously good reason why organizations are prepared to fork out to secure the services of certain individuals. The argument that this money should be going where the donors intended is very simplistic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,031 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Anyway, the general subject of CEO pay at charities often comes up on this site and there is often a consensus that money spent on six figure salaries is money wasted, as if these organizations are spending big money on directors and executives just for the sake of it. There is obviously good reason why organizations are prepared to fork out to secure the services of certain individuals. The argument that this money should be going where the donors intended is very simplistic.

    You're correct, but they should really be up front about it and take the hit in telling people that their donations are going to pay staff salaries in addition to the charity work they do. (don't some charities list the % of each donation that makes it to the intended recipients?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    astrofool wrote: »
    You're correct, but they should really be up front about it and take the hit in telling people that their donations are going to pay staff salaries in addition to the charity work they do.
    Well, I don't know about Rehab (Group), but most charities are pretty open with their finances. Annual reports are generally published on their website.

    But more generally, you’re making the distinction there between “salaries” and “charity work” – surely there is a significant amount of overlap between the two? In fact, it could probably be argued in a lot of cases that expenditure on salaries is expenditure on charity work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Well, I don't know about Rehab (Group), but most charities are pretty open with their finances. Annual reports are generally published on their website.

    But more generally, you’re making the distinction there between “salaries” and “charity work” – surely there is a significant amount of overlap between the two? In fact, it could probably be argued in a lot of cases that expenditure on salaries is expenditure on charity work..[/

    When the salary is several hundred thousand and an Audi Jeep as recently reported then it makes people less likely to dip their hands in their pockets. I like to give money to charity when I can and in better times I donated four figure sums to different African aid charities. The next time I see rehabcare collections I will not contribute and the main reason for that is that I have become aware of their organisations layers of bureacracy, i.e. higher and middle managements below the disgraceful Angela Kerins. They seem a resting pot for a type of 'scone eating' brigade from evidence I have seen. The pity as I see it is that there are people who work with disabled people compassionately in Rehabcare and they are the ones who lose out because of this problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Saw on telly a few years back...a dot com millionaire who decided to give his money to African charities...couldn't find a charity he was happy with... So he set one up.. Him and his family set up in africa...and basically got organisations to tender for funding... He had loads of groups come to him looking for cash.. Often to buy jeeps and laptops... He was aiming for 2.5 /3 % running/administration costs ,everything else had to be spent on the ground....
    Gave away over 750 million...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    Why don't the ALL irish charities share the same board of directors and CEO's.

    Why aren't they voluntary positions, filled by retired successful business people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Why aren't they voluntary positions, filled by retired successful business people.
    Why would retired business people volunteer to run a business?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Why don't the ALL irish charities share the same board of directors and CEO's.

    Why aren't they voluntary positions, filled by retired successful business people.

    This is probably the dumbest post of the week on Boards.I can only assume that you've never been in any Board meeting.

    The reason why ALL Irish charities don't share the same Board and CEO is the same reason why all Irish businesses don't share the same Board and CEO and the reason why all Irish sports societies don't share the same Board and CEO. Because they're separate, independent organisations - with a vast range of different objectives, different geographic areas, different operations etc. Are you seriously suggestion that the Leitrim Association of People with Disabilities should share a Board and CEO with the Donkey Sanctuary in Cork?

    Think again.

    And as for the 'retired successful business people' - charities aren't businesses, they are charities. Certainly, some input from 'retired successful business people' could be helpful, along with input from young people, along with input from people who use the services of a charity, along with input from IT experts etc etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    I see an article from Ms Kerins in yesterday's Irish Times supplement titled 'Merging: for good? - Mergers in a fragmented disability sector will help the bid for a caring society'. It doesn't seem to be on the Times website.

    The gist of the article is that large = good and small = bad in the disability sector. She tells us that mergers would allow many organisations to 'build capacity, further reduce overheads, share technology and assets'. It seems to be a fairly simplistic and self-serving approach, and it ignores some of the downsides of large organisations, including the kind of outrageous salaries that Ms Kerins takes out of Rehab.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    RainyDay wrote: »
    I see an article from Ms Kerins in yesterday's Irish Times supplement titled 'Merging: for good? - Mergers in a fragmented disability sector will help the bid for a caring society'. It doesn't seem to be on the Times website.

    The gist of the article is that large = good and small = bad in the disability sector. She tells us that mergers would allow many organisations to 'build capacity, further reduce overheads, share technology and assets'. It seems to be a fairly simplistic and self-serving approach, and it ignores some of the downsides of large organisations, including the kind of outrageous salaries that Ms Kerins takes out of Rehab.

    Let me guess, of course she would like to be at the top of such a larger organisation. :rolleyes:
    Self serving over paid <snip> would be the description that comes to mind.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭donaghs


    RainyDay wrote: »

    From a quick read of the article, even after sterling conversion, our Angela is still doing better than most of the "overpaid" UK bosses. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Is she FF or FG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Is she FF or FG.

    FF - Out of favour with the current administration


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    RMD wrote: »
    Comparing the wage of a head of state to the head of an organization is entirely irrelevant. People don't enter politics to earn money.

    Sadly you are rather naive to believe that. Our politicians like the dosh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    If the link to her husbands deal is true, it is very damning.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Hootanany wrote: »
    If the link to her husbands deal is true, it is very damning.

    Apparently not to damning, given that she's still in the job. Here's today's update....

    Rehab go to Court to continue to squeeze another few million out of the public purse;

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/decision-to-abolish-state-funding-for-lotteries-will-damage-charities-1.1473670


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,038 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Any "charity" that can afford to pay it's CEO half a mil shouldn't be getting a penny from the exchequer. I cancelled my DD to the Irish Red Cross following their scandal and tbh I think most "corporate" Irish charities are the same, with the exception proving the rule. They should be ashamed of themselves really taking such a chunk of the funding they receive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    murphaph wrote: »
    Any "charity" that can afford to pay it's CEO half a mil shouldn't be getting a penny from the exchequer. I cancelled my DD to the Irish Red Cross following their scandal and tbh I think most "corporate" Irish charities are the same, with the exception proving the rule. They should be ashamed of themselves really taking such a chunk of the funding they receive.

    This +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.


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