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Garda Sergeant can't afford food

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  • #782
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Grayson wrote: »
    have you any idea what a low paid private sector worker earns. Or what their pension plan is? Or what their job security is?

    Public sector 'jobs for life' types don't seem to understand how good they have it. I've never worked for a company that offered attractive 'voluntary' redundancies. For most of the private sector it is involuntary statutory redundancy with an extra week or two per years service if very lucky.


  • #783
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    Boombastic wrote: »
    He doesn't even get rent allowance:mad:

    is the dog in negative equity......


  • #784
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    golden lane wrote: »
    will the dog get a big pension.......
    dunno, but the average guard gets one worth €1,100,000.00 And that after only 30 years - living in a dog kennel or not. Dunno any other public service in the world who gets pensions like that. A millionaire pension at the age of 50. Nice one.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html


  • #785
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    Japer wrote: »
    dunno, but the average guard gets one worth €1,100,000.00

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html[/QUOTE]

    what happens to that pension......if he and his family, dies of hunger....


  • #786
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    What percentage of the actual pension value do the public sector workers fund themselves versus what is funded by their employer i.e the state?

    For private sector workers many employers contribute 0% or at most 5% or 10% of the persons salary for defined contribution pensions.
    Grayson wrote: »
    have you any idea what a low paid private sector worker earns. Or what their pension plan is? Or what their job security is?

    Pick the lowest paid in the public service and tell us what their pension is, I would like to see how much they get after 30yrs in the same low paid position.


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  • #787
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Japer wrote: »
    dunno, but the average guard gets one worth €1,100,000.00

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html

    Its ok to say that this Guard is in secure, permanent employment and has a big pension pot, but this is all dependent on us remaining solvent as a nation.

    If we go bust, even public sector jobs will not be secure and well paid.


  • #788
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    golden lane wrote: »
    Japer wrote: »
    dunno, but the average guard gets one worth €1,100,000.00

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html[/QUOTE]

    what happens to that pension......if he and his family, dies of hunger....


    it is estimated that world food prices will rise by up to 15% next year.....

    and energy prices will double in the next ten years......


  • #789
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    heres a simple solution, quit your job in the public sector and get one in the private sector. If it was all sunshine you would have done so...
    Typical thought-free response.

    I haven't worked in the public sector for years. I never said the public sector was terrible or that it's all roses in the private one - just that the public sector isn't the luxurious paradise across the board which misinformed people lie that it is. People who would work in the public sector if they got the opportunity, so they're hypocrites basically.


  • #790
    Theo Shapely Thanksgiving
    Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Theo Shapely Thanksgiving


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Public sector 'jobs for life' types don't seem to understand how good they have it. I've never worked for a company that offered attractive 'voluntary' redundancies. For most of the private sector it is involuntary statutory redundancy with an extra week or two per years service if very lucky.

    Exactly. My mam (who works in NI but the point is the same) has been giving out for weeks that they're taking away her flexitime arrangement - who in the private sector has ever been able to expect flexitime? She has a ridiculous amount of annual leave and can take a day or two off with hardly any notice. It might be boring work and not very well paid, but she has a ton of benefits hardly anyone in the private sector gets. Until recently, I didn't even get paid bank holidays. If my boss decides I'm not needed, I'm out with a week's notice. I can't take any time off if it's not convenient for my boss (and it hardly ever is) and a PENSION? Forget it! I think a lot of public sector workers take their job security and benefits for granted.


  • #791
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭Solair


    Australia is an exceptionally dangerous bench mark. Its public sector pay bill is totally off the scale and could very easily become unsustainable!

    There's absolutely no way we should be benchmarking pay for public sector jobs against an even more hyped bubble economy!

    Good luck to anyone one who is gone to oz, but seriously be careful about how things go over there.

    If (when) China either had a significant downturn or brings cheaper African natural resources on stream, Australia will suddenly be left with a lot of very over priced mining products and a humongous public wage bill and a massive mortgage and banking crisis.
    I'm not dissing Australia but it's economics seem like the Celtic Tiger on steroids.

    If Australia were well run, it would have done what Norway does - create a massive public savings fund to tide them over when the resources boom ends and they need to transition their economy to something else. Australia is just spending every cent and getting no value for money.
    I'd like to see a comparison with UK, Belgian, Dutch, Danish etc officers as those are countries with similar costs and with normal, mixed trading economies not mining gold rush stuff.


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  • #792
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its ok to say that this Guard is in secure, permanent employment and has a big pension pot, but this is all dependent on us remaining solvent as a nation.

    If we go bust, even public sector jobs will not be secure and well paid.
    The rest of us - 9 out of 10 people in the private sector - are not as well off as that Guard, wqith his 65k a year , secure job, good holidays, and pension pot worth 1.1 million at age 49 or 50.

    Why should the rest of the country - most private sector workers - make huge sacrifices and pay huge tax to the government, and borrow money for generations, to ensure that the Gardai and their ilk can play golf from their retirement villas in Portugal from age 49 / 50?


  • #793
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    HeyThereDeliah wrote: »
    Pick the lowest paid in the public service and tell us what their pension is, I would like to see how much they get after 30yrs in the same low paid position.

    Well, according to that link that's been floating around

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html
    The Rubicon figures also show that a clerical officer who joins the service on a salary of €24,397 and retires on a salary of €39,568. This officer would have a tax-free lump sum of €59,352 and a pension of €19,784.

    The pension pot of this worker would cost around €570,000 to buy on the open market.

    And how much does that actual employee pay towards that from their wages?

    You know how much my company gives me? Nothing.
    (just to add. Unless you get a promotion or change position, the highest you can get from an entry level position is 30k. That's after working here years. To get to 39k, you'd have to get a few promotions.


  • #794
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Izzy, flexi-time is offered by several private companies, particularly pharmaceuticals and I.T.

    I don't deny the perks of the public sector/semi states by the way - it's just the dumb ****ing lies I'm sick of reading.

    Yes, everyone in the ESB gets 70 grand, even the cleaning lady... :rolleyes:


  • #795
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Typical thought-free response.

    I haven't worked in the public sector for years. I never said the public sector was terrible or that it's all roses in the private one - just that the public sector isn't the luxurious paradise across the board which misinformed people lie that it is. People who would work in the public sector if they got the opportunity, so they're hypocrites basically.
    well i have absolutely no sorry feelings for the Guard described in the opening post because he was a victim of his own idiocy.
    I have no desire to work in the public sector but complaining about being able to earn more in the private sector is such a folly, if you can then why dont you. the answer is simple there are perks that you don't want to give up


  • #796
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    That's silly logic. Just because a public sector worker defends themselves when bile and lies are directed at them, by saying the pay is not high, doesn't mean they don't want to work there. They're simply contradicting the liars. Not that it does much good like...

    Many public sector jobs are only contract too - as was mine when I last worked there in 2001.

    I didn't defend the guard btw: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81341820&postcount=712


  • #797
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Madam_X wrote: »
    That's silly logic. Just because a public sector worker defends themselves when bile and lies are directed at them, by saying the pay is not high, doesn't mean they don't want to work there. They're simply contradicting the liars. Not that it does much good like...

    Many public sector jobs are only contract too - as was mine when I last worked there in 2001.

    I didn't defend the guard btw: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81341820&postcount=712
    the bit about the guard was an aside as i never weighed in with my opinion. I dont hate public sector workers either by the way, i just dont understand why you would use the ****e pay as an example , I worked in the private sector for minimum wage and i didn't mind it. For me its not about the wages its about having enough to do you. And this guard had enough to do but he was unwise and now hes complaining in the aftermath of his idiocy


  • #798
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Izzy, flexi-time is offered by several private companies, particularly pharmaceuticals and I.T.

    I have a cousin who works in a multinational I.T. company in the pharmaceutical sector, and they certainly do not get flexi-time. Nor is she paid anything like as much as the Gardai, and she will not have a golden pension pot at all, not like the Garda with his 1.1 million at the age of 49 / 50.

    Why people are not out on the streets protesting at the pay pensions and perks of the public servants is beyond me.


  • #799
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Japer wrote: »
    I have a cousin who works in a multinational I.T. company in the pharmaceutical sector, and they certainly do not get flexi-time. Nor is she paid anything like as much as the Gardai, and she will not have a pension pot at all, not like the Garda with his 1.1 million at the age of 49 / 50.

    Why people are not out on the streets protesting at the pay pensions and perks of the public servants is beyond me.

    You've been throwing out these bull**** figures and claims for two years now under multiple usernames and have yet to provide any calculations that support them. You and your aliases ignore any evidence put to you in the contrary so i have to wonder, what exactly do you get out of all this?


  • #800
    HeyThereDeliah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 967 ✭✭✭HeyThereDeliah


    Grayson wrote: »
    Well, according to that link that's been floating around

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html



    And how much does that actual employee pay towards that from their wages?

    You know how much my company gives me? Nothing.
    (just to add. Unless you get a promotion or change position, the highest you can get from an entry level position is 30k. That's after working here years. To get to 39k, you'd have to get a few promotions.

    I have no idea how much they pay but that pension is not exactly high, is it?
    What would a person get if they never worked, how much is the OAP?


  • #801
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    And coincidentally I have a cousin who works in a pharma company and she DOES get flexi-time. Shur we can all cite singular examples.

    Why aren't YOU out protesting? Only if others will lead the way eh?

    You should though - time someone put a stop to those bastard nurses and paramedics saving lives, sanitation workers keeping the place clean, etc having the NECK to get decent work conditions.
    And as for a 22-year-old clerical official in Tralee Town Council on 23 grand? Ruination of the country they are. On a par with Seanie Fitz.


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  • #802
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Japer wrote: »
    The rest of us - 9 out of 10 people in the private sector - are not as well off as that Guard, wqith his 65k a year , secure job, good holidays, and pension pot worth 1.1 million at age 49 or 50.

    Why should the rest of the country - most private sector workers - make huge sacrifices and pay huge tax to the government, and borrow money for generations, to ensure that the Gardai and their ilk can play golf from their retirement villas in Portugal from age 49 / 50?

    Don't be attacking me, if you read back I have slagged this Guard off for obviously either lying or being stupid.

    All I am saying is that this Guards income and pension is only as secure as the State. Which at the minute doesn't look too safe.

    I'm on your side


  • #803
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Don't be attacking me, if you read back I have slagged this Guard off for obviously either lying or being stupid.
    sorry, was 'nt attacking you, sorry if I came across that way.


  • #804
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    MagicSean wrote: »
    You've been throwing out these bull**** figures and claims
    They ain't bull****, old friend,

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html

    Nobody disputes the Garda's pension worth 1.1 million after only 30 years, or his 65k a year salary.

    Maybe you do not like the spotlight being shown on public sector pay and pensions. I'm afraid it has to be old son, the country cannot afford it.


  • #805
    Sarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Sarn


    Japer wrote: »
    not like the Garda with his 1.1 million at the age of 49 / 50.

    Ok, I think we get the message regarding the pension pot. Most in the public sector can be viewed as being in a privileged position. However, whatever the pension he may end up with, doesn't relate to what the family have left over at the end of the month now, as he is not in a position to halt funding it.

    I couldn't care less if he's a guard, a Google employee or whatever, the issue is that the family are bringing in a good wage and there appears to be a mismanagement of the household budget.


  • #806
    Scrag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Scrag


    He will be alright when he gets a big fat pension or early retirement package and if you want to know where to get washed diesel or not pay road tax and get an off road certificate a guard you know will help. My salary never exceeded 50k in my life and I lived well within my means and have also a 4 bed roomed house.


  • #807
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Scrag wrote: »
    My salary never exceeded 50k in my life and I lived well within my means and have also a 4 bed roomed house.

    Your story would obviously be boring for the Indo and Joe Duffy on Liveline though;)


  • #808
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Japer wrote: »
    They ain't bull****, old friend,

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-1664588.html

    Nobody disputes the Garda's pension worth 1.1 million after only 30 years, or his 65k a year salary.

    Maybe you do not like the spotlight being shown on public sector pay and pensions. I'm afraid it has to be old son, the country cannot afford it.

    From your article.

    "On retirement after 30 years the garda is entitled to a tax-free lump sum of €79,233, and an annual pension of €26,411."

    Assuming the Garda lives 20 years after retirement, which is unlikely, that comes to pension payments of just over 600k. Your quoted article continues.

    "Ms Daly said the value of this retirement lump sum was €1.12m, of which the State will have contributed €1m."

    So like I said, please produce some kind of accurate calculations, current if possible, to support your arguments.


  • #809
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    I'm quite alarmed by this thread. People bought into the manufactured dream. Now they're paying for it. Supporting children isn't easy not to mention the other financial commitments made post economic crash. I wouldn't blame any public servant into believing that they're wages wouldn't be cut.... It certainly never seemed like they would nor did it "seem" the economy would crash and burn as much as it did.

    Some very cruel hurtful comments being made about this individual here.... I sympathise with them..... I hope nobody here ever feels as despondent as this Gardas wife does.


  • #810
    Predalien
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Predalien


    MagicSean wrote: »
    From your article.

    "On retirement after 30 years the garda is entitled to a tax-free lump sum of €79,233, and an annual pension of €26,411."

    Assuming the Garda lives 20 years after retirement, which is unlikely, that comes to pension payments of just over 600k. Your quoted article continues.

    "Ms Daly said the value of this retirement lump sum was €1.12m, of which the State will have contributed €1m."

    So like I said, please produce some kind of accurate calculations, current if possible, to support your arguments.

    Whenever the indo want to highlight generous public service pensions I'm pretty sure they include the state pension of circa €230 a week, for some reason (it's not as if they have an agenda or anything...) they don't include this when they give figures for pensions of private sector workers so the comparison is rarely fair.


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  • #811
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Predalien wrote: »
    Whenever the indo want to highlight generous public service pensions I'm pretty sure they include the state pension of circa €230 a week, for some reason (it's not as if they have an agenda or anything...) they don't include this when they give figures for pensions of private sector workers so the comparison is rarely fair.

    Well in fairness, it is an article from March 2009. Japer/Gigino/Jimmy has been posting it for many years and ignoring any criticism of it.


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