Alex Ferguson on Ferdinand and Roberts

flyswatter · 20-10-2012 10:15PM #1

So Sir Alex Ferguson has been having a go at Jason Roberts during the week for not supporting the Kick It Out campaign by wearing their shirt.

Rio Ferdinand has now decided not to wear it in protest against (presumably similarly to Roberts) the lack of care being taken against racism in the game recently. Ferguson is very embarassed about this and not pleased with his player.

What do people feel about this? I respect the two players decisions not to wear the shirt and think that Roberts especially is to be applauded for making his point known.

Dozen Wicked Words · 20-10-2012 10:19PM

Kick It Out is a charity, what would you, or Ferdinand and Roberts have them do?

So why did they refuse to wear the charity's t-shirt.

Not being cynical: Ferdinand and Roberts aren't very bright and don't understand that Kick it Out cant sanction players, teams or anyone else in any shape or form as they aren't in the FA, Premier League or any other hierarchy.

Cynical version: Ferdinand isn't very bright and Roberts is angling for a career after he finishes playing.

jenno86 · 20-10-2012 10:21PM

I can't stand Jason Roberts.

That will be all.

PhlegmyMoses · 20-10-2012 10:32PM

dooferoaks wrote: »

Kick It Out is a charity, what would you, or Ferdinand and Roberts have them do?

So why did they refuse to wear the charity's t-shirt.

Not being cynical: Ferdinand and Roberts aren't very bright and don't understand that Kick it Out cant sanction players, teams or anyone else in any shape or form as they aren't in the FA, Premier League or any other hierarchy.

Cynical version: Ferdinand isn't very bright and Roberts is angling for a career after he finishes playing.

Correct. Kick It Out get £300,000 a year in funding. As I said on the United thread, if Ferdinand was serious about this, he would have explained his position and either got involved with KIO and helped to change their mandate as well as contributing some of his cash. As it is, by not saying anything, his stance looks petty and confused. Ferguson is also right to be upset with him. From his conference the previous day, it suggest that Ferdinand never bothered to let Ferguson know what his position on this was.

CSF · 20-10-2012 10:39PM

From what I can gather, the lads are doing this to make a point as to how players aren't sufficiently protected from the powers that be when it comes to racial abuse.

I would imagine they're a little disappointed at there not being strong enough public criticism from the charity at the shoddy bans for 2 lads found guilty (please don't make this into an argument over whether Suarez/Terry were guilty, I'm not saying they were, I'm saying the bans were pathetic for someone who was found guilty)

To be honest I'm a little bit disappointed there hasn't been more people taking a stand. Racist abuse is the kind of thing I'd be expecting at least a 6 month ban for, and the argument of 'he said something racist but he isn't a racist' should be punishable by the electric chair.

Bodhisopha · 20-10-2012 10:42PM

To call a black man a "choc-ice" as Ferdinand did in a round about way is more offensive than calling a black man a "little negro" or a "black cnut". If anything, the campaign should've discouraged him from wearing the shirt.

As for Roberts, he's just trying to make a name for himself.

Leiva · 20-10-2012 10:42PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

To call a black man a "choc-ice" as Ferdinand did in a round about way is more offensive than calling a black man a "little negro" or a "black cnut". If anything, the campaign should've discouraged him from wearing the shirt.

As for Roberts, he's just trying to make a name for himself.

No it is not.

CSF · 20-10-2012 10:44PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

To call a black man a "choc-ice" as Ferdinand did in a round about way is more offensive than calling a black man a "little negro" or a "black cnut". If anything, the campaign should've discouraged him from wearing the shirt.

Bull****. The term wigger is used commonly with ****all stigma.

MUSEIST · 20-10-2012 10:48PM

The problem I have with this is that I am genuinely confused as to what point ferdinand is trying to make, does he even know

CSF · 20-10-2012 10:49PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

The problem I have with this is that I am genuinely confused as to what point ferdinand is trying to make, does he even know

Why should he promote a charity who haven't done enough to support his brother in a time of need?

Dozen Wicked Words · 20-10-2012 10:55PM

CSF wrote: »

Why should he promote a charity who haven't done enough to support his brother in a time of need?

Supporting his brother is the PFAs job. Irregardless, if Ferdinand wants to make a point, he should have the balls to tell his manager before the manager goes on national television and says his players will be wearing the t shirts.

20-10-2012 10:55PM

The Reading manager Brian McDermott:

"Jason has had a very strong view of it and I respect Jason's view," he told Sky Sports News. "It was important to him what he did today. I 100 per cent back him."

Suprised Fergie isn't giving his player the same level of support tbh.

Leiva · 20-10-2012 10:56PM

Gill

Mikeyt086 · 20-10-2012 10:59PM

lol Rio is just givin' Fergie a nuva merkin' innit. lol Fergie u got well merked blad.

MUSEIST · 20-10-2012 10:59PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

The Reading manager Brian McDermott:

"Jason has had a very strong view of it and I respect Jason's view," he told Sky Sports News. "It was important to him what he did today. I 100 per cent back him."

Suprised Fergie isn't giving his player the same level of support tbh.

Just like ferdinand it's not exactly clear what his point is. Is he saying the charity are not doing enough and thus having a go at them or is it a point against the fa and bans not being long enough/

Red Crow · 20-10-2012 11:00PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

To call a black man a "choc-ice" as Ferdinand did in a round about way is more offensive than calling a black man a "little negro" or a "black cnut". If anything, the campaign should've discouraged him from wearing the shirt.

As for Roberts, he's just trying to make a name for himself.

lol

CSF · 20-10-2012 11:00PM

dooferoaks wrote: »

Supporting his brother is the PFAs job. Irregardless, if Ferdinand wants to make a point, he should have the balls to tell his manager before the manager goes on national television and says his players will be wearing the t shirts.

Fair enough on the Fergie communication thing. He probably kept it quiet knowing Fergie wouldn't let him not wear one.

So what do this charity do then? Other than get footballers to wear t-shirts? I'd have certainly been expecting them to expressing their disgust at the FAs treatment of the issue and I'm sure Rio and co figured they'd be getting this support last time they wore tshirts in support.

I mean, really, what is the point in having all the Premiership players wear tshirts when the issue isn't even taken seriously.

Mr Magnolia · 20-10-2012 11:01PM

John Terry roared to Rio's brother in the most derogatory manner and SAF is embarrassed because Rio refused to wear a t-shirt.

There's a mind-shift required.

mosstin · 20-10-2012 11:03PM

dooferoaks wrote: »

Supporting his brother is the PFAs job. Irregardless, if Ferdinand wants to make a point, he should have the balls to tell his manager before the manager goes on national television and says his players will be wearing the t shirts.

Bull****. Why should a black player support a token organisation that the FA seemingly support in order to give the impression that they're doing something about racism? Why should ALL players have to wear the t-shirt just because SAF says so? He dug his own hole on this one.

CSF · 20-10-2012 11:03PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

Just like ferdinand it's not exactly clear what his point is. Is he saying the charity are not doing enough and thus having a go at them or is it a point against the fa and bans not being long enough/

Do you really want Rio in the media more talking about this? Should Joleon, Kenwynne, Gareth & co all give interviews too? I think people would be complaining just as much if they were playing this out vocally in the media tbh.

The general footballing world really doesn't take racism very seriously and that is portrayed equally clearly on this forum.

Jayob10 · 20-10-2012 11:06PM

Kick it out is a box ticking exercise by the suits in the FA

You can just imagine someone in the FA ticking the box- "Fund kick it out, solve racism problem, check"

They are basically paying the black players lip service in the "fight against racism", so I say fair play to Ferdinand and Roberts for refusing to go along with this bullsh*t exercise the FA run to make themselves sleep easier at night.

Its all just for show and nothing is really being done when you see that the former national team captain getting off with a slap on the wrists despite being caught on camera.

The media are also getting on the bandwagon too, expressing faux pas "outrage" at any racism, referring to Luis Suarez at any opportunity as near poster boys for racism in British football.

For most, its just an exercise that they have to been seen to be doing something, rather than actually doing anything about the problem.

MUSEIST · 20-10-2012 11:09PM

CSF wrote: »

Do you really want Rio in the media more talking about this? Should Joleon, Kenwynne, Gareth & co all give interviews too? I think people would be complaining just as much if they were playing this out vocally in the media tbh.

The general footballing world really doesn't take racism very seriously and that is portrayed equally clearly on this forum.

Are you for real. Has the last year not actually happened in your world. The constant media reaction to the suarez and terry incidents show that racism is taken extremely seriously by the greater footballing world in england. Some might say the response to both incidents was disporportionate to what actually happened when you consider the other things and abuse which goes on in football. The fa has clear rules about how long they can ban players for, if a player has a problem with that then they should call for longers bans publicly instead of refusing to wear an anti racism charities logo before a game which to me seems rather pointless.

Jayob10 · 20-10-2012 11:14PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

Are you for real. Has the last year not actually happened in your world. The constant media reaction to the suarez and terry incidents show that racism is taken extremely seriously by the greater footballing world in england. Some might say the response to both incidents was disporportionate to what actually happened when you consider the other things and abuse which goes on in football. The fa has clear rules about how long they can ban players for, if a player has a problem with that then they should call for longers bans publicly instead of refusing to wear an anti racism charities logo before a game which to me seems rather pointless.

the outrage was nothing but a load of posturing to be honest. A competition to show who was the most outraged.

Its more important to be seen to be outraged as opposed to actively seeking solutions.

Just because they are not throwing banana's onto the pitch like the Serbian's doesn't mean they are any more refined.

The whole Danny Rose episode was more an opportunity to brag about how "we are not like this in the UK", more than anything.

CSF · 20-10-2012 11:16PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

Are you for real. Has the last year not actually happened in your world. The constant media reaction to the suarez and terry incidents show that racism is taken extremely seriously by the greater footballing world in england. Some might say the response to both incidents was disporportionate to what actually happened when you consider the other things and abuse which goes on in football. The fa has clear rules about how long they can ban players for, if a player has a problem with that then they should call for longers bans publicly instead of refusing to wear an anti racism charities logo before a game which to me seems rather pointless.

For every tabloid trying to sell a few more papers there's a gigantic army of people on Internet forums who try to treat racist abuse has something thrown around by the PC brigade, and then those slightly less ridiculous who treat it in the same bracket as like a bad tackle or something.

Then you have the national association who think racist abuse is worthy of only a 4 match ban, and an international association who think hundreds of fans roaring racist abuse is less bad than revealing your Paddy Power boxers.

MUSEIST · 20-10-2012 11:19PM

CSF wrote: »

For every tabloid trying to sell a few more papers there's a gigantic army of people on Internet forums who try to treat racist abuse has something thrown around by the PC brigade, and then those slightly less ridiculous who treat it in the same bracket as like a bad tackle or something.

Then you have the national association who think racist abuse is worthy of only a 4 match ban, and an international association who think hundreds of fans roaring racist abuse is less bad than revealing your Paddy Power boxers.

Fair enough but how does not wearing a 'kick it out' campaign t-shirt in any way change any of that.

~Rebel~ · 20-10-2012 11:49PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

Fair enough but how does not wearing a 'kick it out' campaign t-shirt in any way change any of that.

Well, for a start, people are talking about it.

I don't know if this was in any way their intention, but this has gotten the movement far more publicity than simply wearing the tshirts would have.

mosstin · 21-10-2012 12:01AM

MUSEIST wrote: »

Fair enough but how does not wearing a 'kick it out' campaign t-shirt in any way change any of that.

Why should he promote something he doesn't believe in and that, as a black footballer, he sees as making not a whit of difference to the issue of racism in England?

GavRedKing · 21-10-2012 12:05AM

Storm in a tea cup TBH.

Fergie might have a private word with him but other then that nothig will happen.

Vertigo100 · 21-10-2012 12:38AM

Simple fact that fergie isn't happy about is that Ferdinand obviously didn't make it clear he wouldn't wear it. I doubt it rio had said during the week he wouldn't wear it. If he did fergie wouldn't have said what he said at Fridays press conference.

Dempsey · 21-10-2012 12:43AM

To me, it looks like Ferguson was looking for an excuse to fall out with Ferdinand! If this was Rio Ferdinand in his prime, would Ferguson be passing comments like that in front of the media? I dont think so tbh

Winston Payne · 21-10-2012 12:50AM

Dempsey wrote: »

To me, it looks like Ferguson was looking for an excuse to fall out with Ferdinand! If this was Rio Ferdinand in his prime, would Ferguson be passing comments like that in front of the media? I dont think so tbh

Do managers commonly try and fall out with their own players?

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