Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

Lady Chatterton · 17-10-2012 11:41pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

home help should not be cut but the state pension is extremley generous in this country , rather than cut the pension , 75 euro should be deducted each week in order to cover the cost of employing home help , the goverment can subsidise the rest

€75 is an awful lot of money :eek:

The elderly have expenses too. I'm just thinking of my own Granny, she lives in a modest home but she has had to re-wire it, re-roof and insulate her home in the last few years which was a very expensive exercise.

She has free travel but she lives in Clare so public transport is very poor so she never uses her travel pass. She has lots of medical issues so she would also spent alot on health services that are not provided by the HSE. Like the rest of us she has to pay for home insurance, fuel, utilities and groceries.

* I'm aware of the fact she would have a fuel allowance and some free units of electricity but she uses alot of fuel as she is on Warfin and a side effect of this is that she is extremely cold alot of the time.

Atlantic Dawn · 17-10-2012 11:43pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

i understand the borrowers bit but what have you in mind for savers ?

Something like 50% return or there abouts what the rate the bank is lending their money out to borrowers, would seem fair based on them just giving out the money they are taking in with minimal work inbetween.

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:44pm

grey_so_what wrote: »

That is a lot of money g-j.......that would stress any pensioners head..........They are terrified about rises in everything.........That would put sheer terror the thought of it.....

SNAP MRSD!

the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

Lady Chatterton · 17-10-2012 11:45pm

These American correspondents are so chirpy

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:46pm

MrsD007 wrote: »

€75 is an awful lot of money :eek:

The elderly have expenses too. I'm just thinking of my own Granny, she lives in a modest home but she has had to re-wire it, re-roof and insulate her home in the last few years which was a very expensive exercise.

She has free travel but she lives in Clare so public transport is very poor so she never uses her travel pass. She has lots of medical issues so she would also spent alot on health services that are not provided by the HSE. Like the rest of us she has to pay for home insurance, fuel, utilities and groceries.

* I'm aware of the fact she would have a fuel allowance and some free units of electricity but she uses alot of fuel as she is on Warfin and a side effect of this is that she is extremely cold alot of the time.

fuel and utilities are subsidised for pensioners , the public health system provide all the same services which private providers offer and pensioners are always moved along the quee

Harry Angstrom · 17-10-2012 11:47pm

I can't understand why anyone would want to vote for Romney. The man is an idiot. A rich idiot but still an idiot.

Kurz · 17-10-2012 11:48pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

A lot of things cost double here what they do in the UK, there's no relevance in that comparison whatsoever other than to contrast cost of living.

As well as that, the UK's social policies are more commonly used as an example of what not to do.

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:48pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Something like 50% return or there abouts what the rate the bank is lending their money out to borrowers, would seem fair based on them just giving out the money they are taking in with minimal work inbetween.

banks in ireland pay extremley high rates of interest compared to their counterparts in europe and the usa , you get less than 1% on savings with american banks theese days , the irish banks are so desperate for funds , they have had to hike payments to savers

grey_so_what · 17-10-2012 11:49pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

I'm guessing you're not "old".............:(

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:50pm

Kurz wrote: »

A lot of things cost double here what they do in the UK, there's no relevance in that comparison whatsoever other than to contrast cost of living.

As well as that, the UK's social policies are more commonly used as an example of what not to do.

the cost of living is no more than 10% higher in the uk than here , its much higher in the south east of england than here and besides , the state pension in the uk is 102 pound per week , for a couple its 170 , for a couple here , its either 219 by two or 230 by two

Lady Chatterton · 17-10-2012 11:51pm

Kurz wrote: »

A lot of things cost double here what they do in the UK, there's no relevance in that comparison whatsoever other than to contrast cost of living.

As well as that, the UK's social policies are more commonly used as an example of what not to do.

I agree completely, Ireland may offer higher social welfare rates than the UK but the UK provide better services to their citizens.

Better public transport
Everyone in the UK has free access to NHS doctors and medicines
Better childcare provision

Lady Chatterton · 17-10-2012 11:51pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

fuel and utilities are subsidised for pensioners , the public health system provide all the same services which private providers offer and pensioners are always moved along the quee

These have been cut in previous budgets.

grey_so_what · 17-10-2012 11:52pm

Me and VB..............Die Hards......................It take's real men to stay up to watch the Debate.......

Wouldn't you think the young ones would have least made an effort - even to make a comment??????

(If you knew you were going to be the telly???)

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:52pm

grey_so_what wrote: »

I'm guessing you're not "old".............:(

mid thirties and very much aware that when i reach the age of sixty eight , whats waiting for me will be nowhere near as generous as what those of that age recieve today , any young person nowadays should prioritise buying a private pension above everything else , including buying a house

take everything · 17-10-2012 11:53pm

FF second most popular party.
Depressing state of Irish politics.

Harry Angstrom · 17-10-2012 11:53pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

Maybe when our politicians pay themselves salaries commensurate with their counterparts in the UK, then they might have some sort of mandate to take a look at the rest of the social welfare rates.

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:54pm

MrsD007 wrote: »

I agree completely, Ireland may offer higher social welfare rates than the UK but the UK provide better services to their citizens.

Better public transport
Everyone in the UK has free access to NHS doctors and medicines
Better childcare provision

health is free to anyone on social wellfare here which includes pensioners , child benefit is much higher here than in the uk , you cant have it everyway

Lady Chatterton · 17-10-2012 11:54pm

take everything wrote: »

FF second most popular party.
Depressing state of Irish politics.

Good Lord, some people have very short memories in this country :mad:

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:54pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Maybe when our politicians pay themselves salaries commensurate with their counterparts in the UK, then they might have some sort of mandate to take a look at the rest of the social welfare rates.

never heard that one before

greecy_joe · 17-10-2012 11:56pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I can't understand why anyone would want to vote for Romney. The man is an idiot. A rich idiot but still an idiot.

i wouldnt vote for him but how is he an idiot

Atlantic Dawn · 17-10-2012 11:56pm

take everything wrote: »

FF second most popular party.
Depressing state of Irish politics.

Exactly, if the choice was themselves, Bin Laden, Gareth Glitter or James Saville they still wouldn't get my vote.

grey_so_what · 17-10-2012 11:56pm

greecy_joe wrote: »

mid thirties and very much aware that when i reach the age of sixty eight , whats waiting for me will be nowhere near as generous as what those of that age recieve today , any young person nowadays should prioritise buying a private pension above everything else , including buying a house

Basic rights would be a nice starter for Carers.

Harry Angstrom · 18-10-2012 12:01am

greecy_joe wrote: »

never heard that one before

When Dermot Ahern was talking about bringing welfare rates in line with Northern Ireland he was conveniently forgetting that his salary and expenses and his obscene pay off was multiples more than a UK MP would receive. I realise your response was nothing more than a glib remark but it's a case of "Do as we say, not as we do" when it comes to Irish politicians. They're a bunch of hypocrites.

greecy_joe · 18-10-2012 12:03am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

When Dermot Ahern was talking about bringing welfare rates in line with Northern Ireland he was conveniently forgetting that his salary and expenses and his obscene pay off was multiples more than a UK MP would receive. I realise your response was nothing more than a glib remark but it's a case of "Do as we say, not as we do" when it comes to Irish politicians. They're a bunch of hypocrites.

a glib reply is about fitting for a cliched unoriginal line about cutting politicans pay , if politicans worked for minimum wage , thier would still be thousands , steadfastly opposed to cuts to the pension , its a meaningless point

Harry Angstrom · 18-10-2012 12:05am

greecy_joe wrote: »

i wouldnt vote for him but how is he an idiot

Would you seriously vote for a man who uses the expression "binders full of women"? :rolleyes:

Lady Chatterton · 18-10-2012 12:06am

I have a feeling that Minister James Reilly/Minister Joan Burton have been on this thread tonight

Harry Angstrom · 18-10-2012 12:07am

greecy_joe wrote: »

a glib reply is about fitting for a cliched unoriginal line about cutting politicans pay , if politicans worked for minimum wage , thier would still be thousands , steadfastly opposed to cuts to the pension , its a meaningless point

That's your opinion.

bluefinger · 18-10-2012 12:08am

Can we change the thread title to Tonight with Richard Boyd Barrett?

greecy_joe · 18-10-2012 12:08am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Would you seriously vote for a man who uses the expression "binders full of women"? :rolleyes:

i didnt watch the debate , all i heard was that obama showed up this time

grey_so_what · 18-10-2012 12:10am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I have a feeling that Minister James Reilly/Minister Joan Burton have been on this thread tonight

Would they have been as greasy as to do that do you think MrsD????????

Might have a burger drenched in oil and greasy chips tonight............yum yum......:eek:

Lady Chatterton · 18-10-2012 12:14am

grey_so_what wrote: »

Would they have been as greasy as to do that do you think MrsD????????

Might have a burger drenched in oil and greasy chips tonight............yum yum......:eek:

Easy on the grease missus, if you get sick you mightn't get a hospital bed or a home help

:D

grey_so_what · 18-10-2012 12:22am

MrsD007 wrote: »

Easy on the grease missus, if you get sick you mightn't get a hospital bed or a home help :D

Too much grease makes you barf anyway..........

Well, that's what my 87 year old mam tells me....oh, the one my sister and I take care of)

Good loser · 18-10-2012 1:06am

Would have liked Vinny tonight to throw in one of his REALLY HARD questions such as 'If you had a choice of cutting carers hours or cutting one of the core SW payments which one would you choose?

RBB of course says neither. Vinnie is then into the 'That's not the question I'm asking you' rigmarole.

Otherwise don't see why those being cared for don't top up the money to retain their home help hours.

For instance drop the house insurance - will hardly do them much good.

grey_so_what · 18-10-2012 1:37am

Good loser wrote: »

Would have liked Vinny tonight to throw in one of his REALLY HARD questions such as 'If you had a choice of cutting carers hours or cutting one of the core SW payments which one would you choose?

RBB of course says neither. Vinnie is then into the 'That's not the question I'm asking you' rigmarole.

Otherwise don't see why those being cared for don't top up the money to retain their home help hours.

For instance drop the house insurance - will hardly do them much good.

"Them".........

tayto lover · 18-10-2012 11:07pm

Tonight we have a discussion on Enda hearing voices regarding a burden sharing agreement.

grey_so_what · 18-10-2012 11:10pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Tonight we have a discussion on Enda hearing voices regarding a burden sharing agreement.

Should we call in TV3's Pis-iks people do you think tayto lover????????:p

Harry Angstrom · 18-10-2012 11:10pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Tonight we have a discussion on Enda hearing voices regarding a burden sharing agreement.

We all know that gullible Enda was stitched up by our European overlords so presumably the Government will have a no-hoper TD trying to tell us otherwise. This thing proves that Enda is an ineffectual dope.

tayto lover · 18-10-2012 11:11pm

grey_so_what wrote: »

Should we call in TV3's Pis-iks people do you think tayto lover????????:p

Yes he should have consulted Flahan

tayto lover · 18-10-2012 11:12pm

FFS Paschal ???

Lady Chatterton · 18-10-2012 11:12pm

Well done to Gene Kerrigan. I think he is a brilliant columnist, he is the only reason to the read the SINDO.

grey_so_what · 18-10-2012 11:13pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes he should have consulted Flahan

After the next Budget we may have hoped he did tl!!!!!!!!:(

tayto lover · 18-10-2012 11:14pm

What's you're size Mick.

tayto lover · 18-10-2012 11:15pm

The Milky Bar Kid in Brussels. Brilliant Ganley.

Harry Angstrom · 18-10-2012 11:18pm

MrsD007 wrote: »

Well done to Gene Kerrigan. I think he is a brilliant columnist, he is the only reason to the read the SINDO.

Strange how he's never really had much of a high profile in television or radio.

Lady Chatterton · 18-10-2012 11:18pm

tayto lover wrote: »

FFS Paschal ???

I give him 10/10 for having the guts to appear on the programme, it is more than Enda and his Senior Ministers will do.

Lady Chatterton · 18-10-2012 11:19pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Strange how he's never really had much of a high profile in television or radio.

Because I reckon he doesn't want it. He seems happy enough to concentrate on his writing.

tayto lover · 18-10-2012 11:21pm

MrsD007 wrote: »

I give him 10/10 for having the guts to appear on the programme, it is more than Enda and his Senior Ministers will do.

I wonder do they appear of their own free will though. The standard of F.G. politicians on this show have been pretty dismal for a long time. None of the senior lads seem to come on now.

Side Show Bob · 18-10-2012 11:22pm

I'd like to shove something in her mouth!

Lady Chatterton · 18-10-2012 11:23pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I wonder do they appear of their own free will though. The standard of F.G. politicians on this show have been pretty dismal for a long time. None of the senior lads seem to come on now.

I reckon there are lots of TDs who don't want to face Vinny. Isn't it funny how Joan Bruton lived on the programme before she became a Minister and now she couldn't be bothered with Vinny.

Harry Angstrom · 18-10-2012 11:25pm

I reckon Lucy from Fair City will look very like this woman in about 25 years time.

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