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Garda Sergeant can't afford food

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  • #352
    Tipperary animal lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    Hahahahah oh for fcuk sake I feel so sorry for them ..... Welcome to the bloody real world


  • #353
    newposter12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭newposter12


    A representative of the Troika said last week that the public sector has been immune from the recession and he's right,not one compulsory redundancy and increments where there's a freeze in alot of the private sector.At least this Sergeant has a guaranteed job,guarenteed lump sum when he retires and a guaranteed pension.What about those people who have same out goings on far less money or who have lost their jobs!:confused:
    Also,his allowances are tax free!


  • #354
    tommyboy2222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭tommyboy2222


    UCDVet wrote: »
    LoL - the guys makes 65k. Forgive me if I don't shed a tear.

    Meanwhile, my broke ass can't afford a car, cable tele, a night out with the wife, or a decent place to live (cramped studio apartment in a hellhole of a building with trashy neighbors).

    It's actually € 75k a year he's making.

    I have a feeling there's more to the story. That or they are trying to maintain a Celtic Tiger lifestyle.

    It can be expensive trying to keep up with the Joneses.


  • #355
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    while their are many ways of interpreting this story , one thing is certain , it firmly puts paid to any idea that guards are underpaid in this country

    also , it mentions that the couple bought their house seven years ago , this despite the fact that the husband is fifty , who buys their first house at forty three , sounds to me like they may have more than one house to pay for


  • #356
    MrMatisse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭MrMatisse


    Does any one else not find it strange that a pretty junior member of our national police force makes nearly $100,000 a year!

    He should move to the U.S. ask for that money and see how he goes on what he gets there!!


  • #357
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    MrMatisse wrote: »
    Does any one else not find it strange that a pretty junior member of our national police force makes nearly $100,000 a year!

    He should move to the U.S. ask for that money and see how he goes on what he gets there!!


    actually , police in the usa make serious money but compared to most western countries , police are incredibly well paid in ireland


  • #358
    kupus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    For what its worth my view is that this is a spin doctored story, and a complete fabrication. Its not as if unions or government employees have lied before.
    Unions putting a sob story into the main media to favor themselves and their members so they can cry the poor mouth.

    Its fairly obvious that the numbers dont add up, thanks to the work guys or girls(see im not a hardcore conservative ;) ) have done here adding it up, so something is amiss.


  • #359
    Thinkingaboutit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    A lot of people who lost jobs, often end up getting another one that isn't vastly larger than minimum wage. Often they have to work out how to cope with a mortgage, or not. There has be some poor money management or other debts.


  • #360
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Ah, it's not all bad, at least he can get free coffee.


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  • #361
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    MrMatisse wrote: »
    Does any one else not find it strange that a pretty junior member of our national police force makes nearly $100,000 a year!

    He should move to the U.S. ask for that money and see how he goes on what he gets there!!

    Cops in the US are very well paid.


  • #362
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    kupus wrote: »
    For what its worth my view is that this is a spin doctored story, and a complete fabrication. Its not as if unions or government employees have lied before.
    Unions putting a sob story into the main media to favor themselves and their members so they can cry the poor mouth.

    Its fairly obvious that the numbers dont add up, thanks to the work guys or girls(see im not a hardcore conservative ;) ) have done here adding it up, so something is amiss.


    agreed , the whole thing could be a union concocted sob story , intended to stave off criticism of croke park


  • #363
    whatdoicare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    That story can't be real! We have a mortgage and bills and put together we get about 30K a year, it's tight but by no means uncomfortable. I've never gone hungry or without internet, tv, heating etc.
    What the hell are they spending 75K on??


  • #364
    Milk & Honey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭Milk & Honey


    I don't think there is any Garda sergeant involved. I think this article depicts an individual who is a composite of a number of different public sector workers so no one individual is identified.


  • #365
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    whatdoicare wrote: »
    What the hell are they spending 75K on??

    If this individual actually exists (which I doubt), probably mortgages on three other 'investment properties'


  • #366
    angeline
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭angeline


    whatdoicare wrote: »
    That story can't be real! We have a mortgage and bills and put together we get about 30K a year, it's tight but by no means uncomfortable. I've never gone hungry or without internet, tv, heating etc.
    What the hell are they spending 75K on??

    30K a year means you are on the lower tax band. For people earning around €55 grand and on the higher tax band, a lot of money is eaten up by tax and pension levies, etc.


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  • #367
    pwurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Good old begrudger ireland.

    When you are on low wages you pay feck all tax. When you are a student you live off mammy and daddy.

    I have seen some seriously stupid suggestions on this thread. Rent?
    So then he would be liable for paying 42% on the rental income as well as the mortgage and paying rent on the other place. Utter genius. :rolleyes:

    We all know people who are splashing out money on sky tv, and crazy high internet costs, and high phone bills, but the reality is that the middle earners are having the squeeze put on.

    For the brainaics suggesting the wife works, again, unless she falls into high salary job, it will never cover the childcare costs.


  • #368
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,282 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    while their are many ways of interpreting this story , one thing is certain , it firmly puts paid to any idea that guards are underpaid in this country

    First off, he's a Garda Sergeant, so he will get paid more than the regular Garda. And, do you think that €27k starting off (after 15 months of €202.47 per week) is a good wage for the job that's done? Also, with the knowledge that it goes up to €48k a year (add about 6k for allowences for night/weekend work) after 17 years and won't go any higher after that, is that too excessive? All that being gross by the way, take a good chunk out for all the taxes, it's not a fantastic wage.

    I'll agree that the first 10 years it does have a good jump in wages (€27k up to €45k), but over the next 7 years it goes up to €48K and no more increments after that. That's it. Same wage for 13+ years.

    I can't get access to the Sergeants pay, but it's obviously a lot more than a regular Garda. And, going by recent figures, there's 13,500 approx members in the force, with 11,000 of Garda rank. So, i don't believe that the Gardai are overpaid, i believe that the ranks above it may be.


  • #369
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    after paying mortgage and health insurance they have about forty three thousand, then they have all the other charges, yes i can she is telling as it is, they have to pay all doctors visits, medical bills outside of medical insurance, they dont get any back to school assistance,


  • #370
    uberalles
    Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭uberalles


    Someone is telling porky pies?


  • #371
    twistedbrains
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭twistedbrains


    65,000 a year grrrrrrrrr in public service (army) on poxy 25,000 after all levies and crap but i will feed my wife and kids before i pay my morgage :D:D:D


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  • #372
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    pwurple wrote: »
    For the brainaics suggesting the wife works, again, unless she falls into high salary job, it will never cover the childcare costs.

    Wasn't the kid offered a private college?

    And lots of people manage to may childcare costs and have a bit left over. If she was trying but couldn't get a job, that would be a different matter.


  • #373
    aosdana
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭aosdana


    According to Dan O'Brien in this report from the Irish Times, the average household income in Ireland in 2011 was €22,168.

    The CSO indicates here that the average earnings per week (for working people) in Ireland are less than €700, and have been since the beginning of 2011. That adds up to earnings of less than €36,400 per year.

    However difficult the Garda sergeant and his family find it to live on €65k per year, they certainly cannot be considered to live in the "poverty class", silent or otherwise.


  • #374
    Maire2009
    Registered Users Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Maire2009


    goat2 wrote: »
    after paying mortgage and health insurance they have about forty three thousand, then they have all the other charges, yes i can she is telling as it is, they have to pay all doctors visits, medical bills outside of medical insurance, they dont get any back to school assistance,

    I have to pay all that out of a wage that comes to €19k a year after tax. Now, I'm single so I manage fine, but there are people in there with kids and they're not entitled to much assistance. One woman had to fight for years to get her son a medical card and he has a form of dwarfism. If they can manage of that wage well Mrs spent above her means over the years and now having it blow up in her face can manage it on that much LEFT OVER after bills.


  • #375
    martin46585
    Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭martin46585


    Ditch the cornflake days, and take you and yours down to the local topaz station, (in the company car off course, ) and avail of the complimentary freebies......
    Or reign in your spending like everyone else.....cut your cloth and all that.


  • #376
    earlyevening
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    goat2 wrote: »
    after paying mortgage and health insurance they have about forty three thousand, then they have all the other charges, yes i can she is telling as it is, they have to pay all doctors visits, medical bills outside of medical insurance, they dont get any back to school assistance,



    Included in that €528 weekly payment into a Garda Credit Union managed budget account is a €75 payment into the Garda health insurance scheme.This would provide full cover for the couple and their children under 18.Included in the cover is a payment of €35 per GP visit(limited to 50 visits per year).
    https://www.medicalaid.ie/

    From the Irish Times article:

    At least if I was on social welfare, my [child] would get a grant for college, I would get the interest paid on my mortgage and I would get medical cards. At the moment, I can’t afford to bring my children to the doctor.”

    I lifted the above from a post on politics.ie
    More evidence that the whole story is BS. Gardai have excellent medical cover.


  • #377
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    The average industrial wage is apparently 35,000 so that what the majority of people in Ireland live on and get by on, raising a family at the same time. This guy earns twice this and the family are losing money every week despite having a net income of over 4K a month
    How do other people manage?, does everyone in the country need to earn over over 75 K a year to get by?
    According to author Kathy Sheridans post a while ago in the thread on the IT site they get 92 euro a week in child benefit, does that give an idea how many kids they have?
    There's something not right about this story...


  • #378
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    The average industrial wage is apparently 35,000 so that what the majority of people in Ireland live on and get by on, raising a family at the same time. This guy earns twice this and the family are losing money every week despite having a net income of over 4K a month
    How do other people manage?, does everyone in the country need to earn over over 75 K a year to get by?
    According to author Kathy Sheridans post a while ago in the thread on the IT site they get 92 euro a week in child benefit, does that give an idea how many kids they have?
    There's something not right about this story...


    2.5 children? :pac:


  • #379
    earlyevening
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    There was a similar BS story12 months ago, just before the budget about some fella starving himself and his family in order to pay the mortgage. The facts on that one didnt add up either.

    Anyone recall it?


  • #380
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Also, she says they couldn't afford fees for a 'prestigious' college. What's wrong with a slightly lesser college and the kid working part time to pay the fees?

    What I'd like to know is since when are any of the private, fee-paying colleges in Ireland more prestigious than the others? TCD and UCD require just the registration fee paid, same as any IT. Whole thing's a bull****.


  • #381
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    earlyevening wrote: »
    There was a similar BS story12 months ago, just before the budget about some fella starving himself and his family in order to pay the mortgage. The facts on that one didnt add up either.

    Anyone recall it?

    The one where his children had to eat cardboard?

    Damm Irish times subscription:mad:


    Here's the best link I could find

    But the story told by this unemployed man from the town of Tralee in County Kerry looks like it could be a bad Kerry Joke to me. He even followed it up with a telephone interview with the Irish Times - in which he told the story of how his daughter was so hungry – she had eaten cardboard from a cereal box.

    BUT – The figures just don’t make sense. Mr MacDomhnaill is either badly advised , not telling the whole story – or should be locked up for child neglect.
    (More likely – its just a fictional letter from someone trying to increase publicity for “debt forgivness” policies )


    Found a better link :D

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056369062&page=1


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  • #382
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,236 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I have no doubt that the Garda Sergeant and his wife do not exist.
    The newspapers are just trying to generate articles of interest when things are quiet.
    They certainly succeeded with this one.


  • #383
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    earlyevening wrote: »
    Included in that €528 weekly payment into a Garda Credit Union managed budget account is a €75 payment into the Garda health insurance scheme.This would provide full cover for the couple and their children under 18.Included in the cover is a payment of €35 per GP visit(limited to 50 visits per year).
    https://www.medicalaid.ie/

    From the Irish Times article:

    At least if I was on social welfare, my [child] would get a grant for college, I would get the interest paid on my mortgage and I would get medical cards. At the moment, I can’t afford to bring my children to the doctor.”

    I lifted the above from a post on politics.ie
    More evidence that the whole story is BS. Gardai have excellent medical cover.
    they are lucky to have that health cover,getting away lightly, because with vhi people have to pay the gp and specialists visits and the medicine, also what is the limit of income when it come to getting grants for college,
    can someone break down all the expenses, they must pay huge tax, also other charges. i am interested in a breakdown of the sixty five thousand,


  • #384
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I have no doubt that the Garda Sergeant and his wife do not exist.
    The newspapers are just trying to generate articles of interest when things are quiet.
    They certainly succeeded with this one.

    They definitely hammered home the message that a Garda Sergeant brings home €75k and borrows half a mil for the house. We'll see this figure a lot next time a divisive frontline article appears!


  • #385
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I have no doubt that the Garda Sergeant and his wife do not exist.
    The newspapers are just trying to generate articles of interest when things are quiet.
    They certainly succeeded with this one.


    So you think the Times also email Leo Vardakaar pretending to be someone else?


  • #386
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    First off, he's a Garda Sergeant, so he will get paid more than the regular Garda. And, do you think that €27k starting off (after 15 months of €202.47 per week) is a good wage for the job that's done? Also, with the knowledge that it goes up to €48k a year (add about 6k for allowences for night/weekend work) after 17 years and won't go any higher after that, is that too excessive? All that being gross by the way, take a good chunk out for all the taxes, it's not a fantastic wage.

    I'll agree that the first 10 years it does have a good jump in wages (€27k up to €45k), but over the next 7 years it goes up to €48K and no more increments after that. That's it. Same wage for 13+ years.

    I can't get access to the Sergeants pay, but it's obviously a lot more than a regular Garda. And, going by recent figures, there's 13,500 approx members in the force, with 11,000 of Garda rank. So, i don't believe that the Gardai are overpaid, i believe that the ranks above it may be.


    i believe all ranks in AGS are overpaid and their pension is redicolously generous , as for tax , we all pay that


  • #387
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    There sure are some bitter bitter people on these forums, wouldnt it be great if you could flick a switch and see the poster through your screen, many would turn and run a mile in shame with their cover blown, keyboard warriers and full of ****e. We shout about how great the Irish are but this recession is starting to confirm to me that we're 60% scumbags and begrudgers. Guess which bracket are paying the tax for the other bracket!


  • #388
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    There sure are some bitter bitter people on these forums, wouldnt it be great if you could flick a switch and see the poster through your screen, many would turn and run a mile in shame with their cover blown, keyboard warriers and full of ****e. We shout about how great the Irish are but this recession is starting to confirm to me that we're 60% scumbags and begrudgers. Guess which bracket are paying the tax for the other bracket!

    is their a point in there somewhere which is relevant to the topic in hand


  • #389
    Emeraldy Pebbles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Emeraldy Pebbles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What I'd like to know is since when are any of the private, fee-paying colleges in Ireland more prestigious than the others?

    Exactly, the private colleges in Ireland are shíte.


  • #390
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,236 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mhge wrote: »
    They definitely hammered home the message that a Garda Sergeant brings home €75k and borrows half a mil for the house. We'll see this figure a lot next time a divisive frontline article appears!

    If he can TAKE HOME 75k he is on some wage ;)


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  • #391
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    tayto lover wrote: »
    If he can TAKE HOME 75k he is on some wage ;)

    Point taken! Earns, not takes home of course.


  • #392
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    .......................
    According to author Kathy Sheridans post a while ago in the thread on the IT site they get 92 euro a week in child benefit, does that give an idea how many kids they have?
    There's something not right about this story...

    A Quote from above mentioned post of Katy Sheridan


    "The sergeant earned €75,000 last year. Since then, between cuts and overtime abolition, his take home pay is back at around €710 a week, plus child benefit of €92, according to Mabs."



    I think someone definitely has been telling porkies, either mabs, the 'victim' or the journalist :pac:


  • #393
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    mhge wrote: »
    Point taken! Earns, not takes home of course.

    another union tutored trick which so many public servants employ

    quoting and refering to NET pay instead of gross , everyone else knows that NET pay is irrelevant , its GROSS and nothing else , wayne rooney may only take home 120 k per week but the sports pages refer to his 220 k per week wage packet , maybe he should star paying dues to siptu


  • #394
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    There sure are some bitter bitter people on these forums, wouldnt it be great if you could flick a switch and see the poster through your screen, many would turn and run a mile in shame with their cover blown, keyboard warriers and full of ****e. We shout about how great the Irish are but this recession is starting to confirm to me that we're 60% scumbags and begrudgers. Guess which bracket are paying the tax for the other bracket!

    begrudgers, that's it. we are all jealous, oh wait... no we aren't. What are you talking about?


  • #395
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Boombastic wrote: »
    A Quote from above mentioned post of Katy Sheridan


    "The sergeant earned €75,000 last year. Since then, between cuts and overtime abolition, his take home pay is back at around €710 a week, plus child benefit of €92, according to Mabs."



    I think someone definitely has been telling porkies, either mabs, the 'victim' or the journalist :pac:

    I think it's child benefit for three children (€140+€140+€148) divided by 4+ weeks. Depending on an actual age of the eldest who goes to college they have three or four children.


  • #396
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,236 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    another union tutored trick which so many public servants employ

    quoting and refering to NET pay instead of gross , everyone else knows that NET pay is irrelevant , its GROSS and nothing else , wayne rooney may only take home 120 k per week but the sports pages refer to his 220 k per week wage packet , maybe he should star paying dues to siptu

    Instead of being bitter with the Public Sector maybe you should have tried joining them. Sour grapes written over all your posts -- all 18 of them. That is bitter to me and i'm not even in the Public Sector. I think the divide and conquer tactics are working though as there are many gullible people buying into it.


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  • #397
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Pubic servant struggling = no sympathy, Actor struggling = poor man

    The actor guy stealing food from the shop on whinging to Joe Duffy started stuttering when asked about drinking wine, if he has to steal food he shouldn't be drinking at all.


  • #398
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,236 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    woodoo wrote: »
    Pubic servant struggling = no sympathy, Actor struggling = poor man

    The actor guy stealing food from the shop on whinging to Joe Duffy started stuttering when asked about drinking wine, if he has to steal food he shouldn't be drinking at all.

    Another invention of Joe's i'd say.
    New story created everyday.


  • #399
    Theo Shapely Thanksgiving
    Posts: 0 ✭ Theo Shapely Thanksgiving


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    How long ago was it since you went to college?

    4/5 years ago maybe it was possible to pick up a part time job but nowdays jobs are hard to come by and few and far between. And tesco shelf stacking internships! taking real paying jobs out from the economy. How the hell can a student compete against that. My sister went back to collage about two years ago. She knew in advance she wanted that and she saved in advance. She was hoping to get work but she was unable to and she was living in a city. She had to live off her savings. She lived of 150 a week - rent, bills, 20 euro food in aldi.
    She had the opportunity to save. A school leave does not. Even if they were to take a year off after school in the hope that they get work, they may not get work. Fcuk, they may not even get unemployment assistance depending on his her parents.

    To some degree the state are responsible for this. The government of the time were egging people on that all was fine and dandy and many people went with it and many probably never saved for theirs third level thinking that free third level will always be there.

    I didn't really have a traditional job during college, so your point isn't really relevant. I never worked in a bar or stacked shelves. I made a bit of money proofreading and correcting other students' essays and teaching English to foreign students (which I'm sure this woman's kid could do if they're such a 'high flyer'). However, most of my college funding was from student loans I'm now paying back. Why can't this woman's kid take out loans? Why is he/she expecting the parents to pay for everything?

    I just don't get the sense of entitlement a lot of Irish people seem to have. I've been paying my own way since I was 18. I've had plenty of health issues and other problems which make my life difficult, I was made redundant when the economy started going down the sh1tter. I've still never been unemployed for longer than a week and never received a penny from the government. I know it isn't that simple for everyone, but I was brought up to believe that I had to support myself.

    I logged onto Facebook tonight and a woman who has been on the dole in the UK for about 10 years and lives in a council house is giving out because 'they' (the council) haven't fixed something in her house. Going on about how disgraceful that is and how she shouldn't be living like that. So she's not working, she has all day free, she's fortunate enough to have been supported by the state for years and it's too much trouble to go buy a hammer and a few nails and fix something in HER OWN DAMN HOUSE? :confused: Why do so many people in the UK and Ireland just expect to be looked after? Able-bodied people who were educated to at least secondary level who can barely wipe their own arses? It's all about 'they' and 'them'. :confused:


  • #400
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    woodoo wrote: »
    Pubic servant struggling = no sympathy, Actor struggling = poor man

    The actor guy stealing food from the shop on whinging to Joe Duffy started stuttering when asked about drinking wine, if he has to steal food he shouldn't be drinking at all.

    No one sensible had sympathy for that idiot on Joe Duffy, he had a gym membership and a car, and a new show coming out:pac:


  • #401
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    woodoo wrote: »
    Pubic servant struggling = no sympathy, Actor struggling = poor man

    The actor guy stealing food from the shop on whinging to Joe Duffy started stuttering when asked about drinking wine, if he has to steal food he shouldn't be drinking at all.

    Joe asked him him if they couldn't even afford one cheap bottle of wine a week when Joe( actor) said they don't drink at all now. He didn't stutter at all, your point is?


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