Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Ok Dempsey.

your waffling on about things that happened in another country with different rules on administration and liquidation, different rules for football clubs etc. i tell you what a law firm did whilst representing rangers and sevco did and you do your best to ignore it. typical tbh!

Are you honestly that stupid, or are you at the wind up ?

It doesn't matter if those countries have different rules, the basis is the same: Clubs who had their holding companies changed yet remained the same clubs with the same history.

Deal with it (however hard it may be for you)

you are quicker to site other clubs in other countries rather what rangers and sevco have actually said and done, like claimed they are not the same club, deal with it as you say

Jelle1880 wrote: »

ICT should be possible to beat, all chances of a final imo.

We should beat them but looking back they have always caused us problems at Ibrox. The players will just have to be right up for it

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I know that, but for the only comment on a fixture for your club with something that might or might not be said by another team's fans seems a bit like obsession to me. Why not just respond as Jelle did?

It was me that put up the fixtures and I commented on there. I answered your specific post. I also answered Jelle on the matter of the game. Your post that I commented on had nothing to do with the game. So I really fail to see your point

EDIT as far as I see Jelle didn't respond to your comment

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Butcher made some media comment about the old Rangers dying once NewCo came along so he must be a low level agent at best!

Aye but Desmond got it right

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I know that, but for the only comment on a fixture for your club with something that might or might not be said by another team's fans seems a bit like obsession to me. Why not just respond as Jelle did?

It was me that put up the fixtures and I commented on there. I answered your specific post. I also answered Jelle on the matter of the game. Your post that I commented on had nothing to do with the game. So I really fail to see your point

EDIT as far as I see Jelle didn't respond to your comment

I said obsessed much to eirebear, you replied to that re previous comments on Motherwell game on other forums, I asked why didn't he just comment on the draw/ict game just like Jelle did. What's hard to understand?

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I said obsessed much to eirebear, you replied to that re previous comments on Motherwell game on other forums, I asked why didn't he just comment on the draw/ict game just like Jelle did. What's hard to understand?

Ah right got you now brains a bit mushy this weather got a lot of wedding stuff on my mind

Where's ma invite?

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Where's ma invite?

The daughters wedding no mine There will be more than enough tic fans there though thanks my family and the wifes family are full of them

I thought you, the builder and eirebear were all related, unless one of them are your daughter :shock:

Jelle1880 wrote: »

True, the old company was a plc and the new one is ltd.

But, as has been mentioned time and time again: A change of company does not mean a change in club.

The club was there before any company was formed and there's tons of clubs that had a company change (whether voluntary, through liquidation of the old company or otherwise) and are still the same clubs.

And so it is for Rangers FC too.

No matter how many times you say it it doesn't make it true.

Rangers today are not the same as Rangers of recent times. If they were then why would Green have had to buy Rangers history and titles?

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

bobbysands81 wrote: »

No matter how many times you say it it doesn't make it true.

Rangers today are not the same as Rangers of recent times. If they were then why would Green have had to buy Rangers history and titles?

They were classed as an asset therefore he had to buy the history and before we get you can't touch history it isn't tangible neither is a companies goodwill when it is bought

Buy them for who though? If it's the same club/company/team/institution etc etc then why would he be buying anything? Even at that, if he bought them then does that mean that the oldco don't have that history/all they trophies anymore??

ps, I was only messing on the "thought you three were related" bit up there lol.

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Butcher made some media comment about the old Rangers dying once NewCo came along so he must be a low level agent at best!

It's all part of his cover.

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I've genuinely never heard of someone buying trophies/history when buying a club and it's the part that confuses me (Am easily confused ) I don't know if Craig Whyte done it, I don't know or remember hearing that Wee Fergus done it when he took over at Celtic.

Daughters you say, any pics You sure the builder isn't one of them???

I imagine everything is included in the assets it is possible D&P actually made them a separate entity for a reason who knows.

Positive he isn't though his two brothers may find that funny. And the last place I would post pics of my daughter is on here

blahfckingblah wrote: »

in a completely unrelated manner http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01499/SNA3007BAN1--5328_1499397a.jpg

Hilarious not a hope in hell;)

Report From IPO Meeting

Rangers = Rangers, end of story. Titles/Trophies are going nowhere. NewCo was never Plan A - they really wanted the CVA option. Soon realised Scottish press are 'Mad' - couldn't believe their reaction. He blames it on the fact that "Charles Green" all of a sudden came from nowhere and none of the press could profit from stories/rumours etc, in the lead up to the buying of the club. Consortium were misled by press and 'other individuals'. Club will be stronger and better than it has ever been.

RESPONSIBILITY OF MANAGEMENT TEAM

Chairman - Malcolm Murray CEO - Charles Green Finance Director - Brian Stockbridge Commercial Director - Imran Ahmad Manager - Alistair McCoist Non-Exec Directors - TBC

CG and Ally don't have a problem. When Walter Smith was looking at a consortium bid, Ally met with CG to say he couldn't publicly 'support' CG as he was good friends with Walter of 20+ years. CG said 'Good, because Loyalty is the key quality I expect from my team.' Ally was happy with that, as was CG. Since then, no problem.

CG then explained how it all came about that IA called him and asked if he wanted to buy RFC. CG said no, he wanted to retire. IA talked him into it and they set up a bank account, asked some people to put some money into the account, no paperwork just trust. They bought the exclusivity for £250k, this guaranteed them the right to buy. They then bought the assets for £5.5m. Duff and Phelps couldn't pay the running costs for May, so CG's group 'bailed them out' and paid the bills for May, to the tune of £500k.

FOUR STRATEGIC AIMS

1. Football 2. Social Responsibility 3. Media 4. Fans

MONEY

Capita will issue the Initial Public Offering (IPO) share information next week. IPO presentation shows RFC (in Europe) is a £60m turnover club, RFC (no Europe) is £40m club. Division 3 will be "lower". CG said when Div3 was confirmed, he should have cut 25% of workforce, but didn't. Took the decision to retain staff, keep the talent/skills as he believes the whole 'team' is important moving forward to where he expects us to be.

CG said the wage bill was £30m last year, added we have a history of buying high and selling low, mainly due to the age of the players we bought. Now the wage bill is £6m. CG pointed out that if we sign another five players on 20k per week, that takes wage bill up to £11m. Then if we were to sign a further 5 players at £20k a week, that takes the wage bill up to £16m. So with the current squad, we can afford to add another ten players at 20k p/w, and we'd still have a wage bill almost half of what it was. CG doesn't believe we need to take this approach yet.

Further to this he said in three years time, we will have six players under the age of 21 with experience of well over 100 senior matches, most of them in front of 50,000 fans. These become very attractive saleable assets. CG expects this to be one of the ways we operate from now on, keeping wage bill down, nurturing the youth and creating good re-sale assets.

The year that RFC began handling their own merchandise, they turned over 27m, and made 5.6m profit, yet sold to JJB (who CG recognises didn't market the brand sufficiently, esp. overseas) for 3m - inferring that we probably lost out on 2.6m per year. JJB deal terminated, Umbro terminated. New joint venture company created with Sports Direct (one of the biggest in the world re: purchasing power/distribution/logistics/buyers), RFC hold 51% controlling stake in the company. Late stage talks are being held with three brands, Adidas, Puma and Warrior (Liverpool Kit) over new kit suppliers. Expect an announcement before 1st Nov. The crux of this new arrangement aims to push the RFC brand to all four corners of the world. CG's aim is for anyone to be able to buy a Rangers shirt anywhere in the world.

RFC are looking to maximise Shirt advertising sponsorship and general stadium advertising - which increases as media rights exposure increases. CG gave the examples of Ki Sung-Yueng and Ji Sung Park being income generators in Asia, for the clubs who signed them. He says RFC are exploring opportunities in Asia, especially China and India - IA is talking to the Chinese Minister for Sport and is hoping to get him over to Ibrox for a match.

THE RANGERS PHENOMENON

CG visited NARSA recently and is aware of the global reach of the club. Developing the brand overseas is key to the success. Claudio Reyna now, and Carlos Bocanegra, after he retires, will be ambassadors in the American continent, actively involved in a wide range of activities from Training Camps, Soccer Schools etc. CG believes USA now have a great affinity for our sport and WILL win the world cup in his lifetime. CG met with FIFA delegates in New York, and has also recently met with European club delegates in Geneva. Many delegates could not believe the "abuse" that RFC has been subject to, one un-named delegate even admitted their club had bribed referees and didn't receive as harsh a punishment as RFC has.

IPO presentation states RFC has a current global fan-base of 5M due to "Massive Scots diaspora", believes 500m globally could 'watch' RFC. Highlighted recent SKY viewing figures vs Peterhead as an example of level of viewing interest in RFC. CG believes football on TV is becoming a thing of the past. Gave example of his own £55/month SKY bill and hasn't been home to see a match. He would have been better paying a couple of quid and watching games on his phone while sitting in airports, train journeys etc. TV will become web-based. "Content is King", gave example of YOUVIEW.COM owner Marc Watson paying £738M for 'a handful of EPL matches'.

RFC believes we can generate £100M per year in 'media rights'. When asked if there were any barriers to maximising profit over our media rights, he said part of the deal to re-enter Scottish Football was to give a number of games over to Sky/ESPN, but now that we are out of SPL, there are less barriers, we still need to comply with certain legal issues e.g. 3pm Saturday K.O. being a no-go, but as long as we move K.O. times, eventually we can call the shots. We now have a 'reduced reliability' on TV feeds. He gave the example of next month's LIVE league match vs. East Stirling, this is being sold to web viewers online in the UK as well as abroad, and expects this to be the way forward. When asked about illegal streams etc. affecting these sales, IA explained they have a number of tech-solutions to fight this. He and BS also explained that the media rights revenue was not solely limited to match streaming, there would be other avenues such as maximising social networking, interactive feeds, fans can talk directly with players/management, pre/post match etc. interact with players not available for selection, such as injured or sidelined players, while the match is on.

G51 PROJECT

The Club has fantastic facilities, all in working order and all owned outright by the club.

CG was asked about pre/post match revenue at the stadium. He produced a large map of Ibrox and the surrounding areas, with proposed property development, in line with the G51 project. They intend to sit down with Glasgow City Council, and the Housing Associations with a view to purchasing the land. RFC currently owns some of it, but would like more e.g. The Old Gasworks, they wish to turn into a leisure complex. they want to lobby for the re-opening of the old Ibrox rail station. The G51 project focus has shifted attention from Casino/Retail etc. more towards Health, Leisure and lifestyle. CG Mentioned building of a Cancer Centre and Health Centre.

Partners identified for regenerating the area include Cancer Partners, British Land, Ardmore Group and Marriott/Holiday Inn. CG explained that the Scottish Executive identified that Glasgow is 18 hotels short of what is required for Commonwealth Games 2014, he believes G51 could help with that and if deal was reached, jobs created and work commenced, it would be ready in time for the games. A small portion of the funds for this project would come from the IPO, but would be a good investment with rents/fees etc. coming back to the club for 25 years.

Edmiston House - Murray bought for £1.5M, last week RFC purchased it back for £800k. The current Megastore will become the ticket office, the first two floors of Edmiston will become the new Megastore (largest in Scotland) and the upper floor will be Bar/cafe leisure venue. CG expects this to be accomplished by May 2013.

They are looking at Stadium sponsorship and Murray Park sponsorship. CG alluded that 'The Sports Direct Stadium' might not be desirable, but 'The iBrox Stadium' (as in Apple iPad/iPhone etc.) would be, acknowledging the fans passion for keeping the name of our stadium. (nb. I was personally unsure if what CG was saying about the 'Apple iBrox' sponsorship was merely a suggestion to Imran, an actual possibility or just some show-boating?)

SHARE ISSUE

22,690,000 shares have already been issued - these are with the initial backers (consortium). IA estimates a further 22M+ in the next round. The minimum investment is 500 shares. IA was asked what price will one share cost? He explained that a bunch were traded at 50p early on, and more recently 1M where traded at £1. He estimates somewhere between £1-£1.50 per share, it will be finalised when the value of the club is established.

The Board was asked "What about people who can't afford £500?" CG replied, they could wait until the first day of trading and go to a broker and do it that way, then they can invest in smaller chunks. The board decided on 500 as the bottom limit, as anything lower could be a challenge re:cost involved in the whole IPO process vs. actual share issue/capital raising. There would be an order of priority with the offer, in the first instance, current season ticket holders and old shareholders will be offered first dibs, then after that it would be open to the public.

A question was asked about RST/Gersave etc. and about 'groups' being allowed to buy shares on behalf of other. CG said that he had no objection to that, but it would be up to those inclined to do so to hand their money over to one individual. The priority rule would still apply.

All in all, using these new deals/strategies, CG believes over the next 5-10 years RFC can grow to become a global brand with an annual turnover of £100m through traditional means (merchandise/retail/match-day experience) plus another £100m in media rights through new technologies. RFC will have no debt, no liability and plenty of assets.

OTHER BUSINESS

CG said he will personally make money from Rangers, but he will make it in the right way. CG received his first pay check last week. His salary will be documented in the Annual Report, but he joked that he told IA that he believed himself to be half as good as Martin Bain, so he should take half of what he got paid, IA said CG was worse than that, and decided to pay him less than half of Bain's salary.

CG said "We are not for leaving - we are staying until the job is finished." CG will receive 10% share ownership once the job is done, but FSA rules prohibit him from selling while he is CEO, so he kindly asked us to vote him out when the job is done so he can retire to France.

CG said he wants no part of the SPL for Rangers anymore. "Why should we go back to an organisation and earn them money when they are trying to strip our titles?" CG believes Scottish league reconstruction is inevitable. He also believes a European League will happen and Rangers tick all the boxes and will be part of that.

CG won't back the call for a boycott of an away matches vs. SPL teams, he doesn't think it is a good idea. He believes the fans should get behind Ally and the team. He made the point that if the fans wanted to hurt SPL teams financially, they would do better boycotting home matches against them instead. However, if the support want the club to back a boycott, they should write to the board and ask them to publicly support the boycott. He also said that he had a few other 'sneaky ideas' about how to deal with SPL clubs.

CG believes even though 10 chairmen raised there hand, only 5 wanted us out of the SPL. The others intended to abstain, therefore rendering their vote irrelevant - CG told them to 'man-up' and either keep us in or kick us out.

BF1 - The gentleman sitting beside CG at the recent Motherwell match is a director with Arsenal, he expressed his admiration for BF1 saying "If you could bottle that and sell it, it would make a fortune". He wishes Arsenal had something similar.

CG does not want 'crowd surfing' or flares/smokebombs as he is responsible for the safety of every person in the Stadium and does not want any supporter to come to any harm. "If the fans want flares, ask us! We'll arrange it properly, before or after matches, safely."

CG said he would have no problem in allocating ALL away fans the Broomloan Corner, including our rivals across the city. He is open to meeting with TBO and UB with a view to expanding their groups across the whole of BF.

The board was asked to explain what their strategy was concerning the 'Leadership' of the club. "What are you doing to sustain a strong leadership team to build our club to be the great organisation it deserves to be?" CG explained that IA and BS are currently building teams to create a new culture within the club. Their focus was on sustainability first, then growth and building the financial base, whereas our first class management team will concentrate on building the squad. As mentioned, Youth development will play a major role, Craig Mather, who has a wealth of experience, is now the Director of Auchenhowie.

CG's expectation for the club is not to be at the level of Man Utd. and Barcelona, but he firmly believes that group stages of the Champions League every year should be our minimum expectation, then the quarter finals every other year, and on a good year maybe even the semi-finals.

CG was asked about renaming our training facility, he mentioned that they were going to put it out to the fans to decide on a name, at that point a fair few of those in attendance said out loud "Davie Cooper".

A member of the floor thanked the board and a round of applause ended the meeting.

Ally McCoist Plan of Action:

When playing away, use long balls.
When going a goal down, use long balls.
When players try and play it on the ground, make them use long balls instead.

**** start again.

And only in Scotland is a two footed tackle, studs showing on a player who is on the deck a yellow card.
****ing idiot of a ref.

1-0 HT.

How Stirling Albion have 11 players on the pitch i really don't know. How thy have only picked up 2 bookings is an even bigger mystery.

Shocking defending at the goal, we've played some better football since - but we really, really need to hit them hard at the start of the second half.