Farming Chit Chat

Juniorhurler · 20-09-2012 09:25PM

simx wrote: »

so you would reckon they would be nice calves?

Ya I reckon so. His weanling bulls always sell well in Carnew too. I'll put it this way, after seeing his calves I put a few in calf to parthenaise myself.

Juniorhurler · 20-09-2012 09:26PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Glad to hear this! Just took a chance on crossing Millbrook Dartagnan with a lovely sim second calver for next year. Any idea what his calves are like?

Pray for a heifer so Kovu.

simx · 20-09-2012 09:31PM

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Pray for a heifer so Kovu.

what do you cross part with mainly? bb?

Black Smoke · 20-09-2012 09:34PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Theres a fella in Wexford, just outside Ballycanew breeding these. They are super cattle. I looked to buy a few heifers from his yard last year and he bid me €1300 a head at 430kg average. They made about €1150 average at the weanling sales about a fortnight later.

They grow on into big cows and I wouldn't dream of keeping them on soft ground.

On a side note, we had a heifer that won 1st prize at a weanling show and sale last night. Her mother was a limousin bred from a simmental. We find that the daughters of simmentals breed serious cattle.

Glad to hear this! Just took a chance on crossing Millbrook Dartagnan with a lovely sim second calver for next year. Any idea what his calves are like?

Great calves! Had three last year off of Charolais cows. Used him on five cows this year.

rancher · 20-09-2012 09:34PM

Kevin1150 wrote: »

410??
A store, say 480kg liveweight, at 2.50c/kg =1200€

Everyone has different fixed costs so cant work out per head...previous poster said buildings/machinery well depreciated so will be lower than average

Was basing on the prices quoted in carnew, 1200 was a 410kg beast
Wasn't considering depreciation but I'm sure you have the same costs as everyone for accountancy, diesel, tyres, farm insurance, etc

just do it · 20-09-2012 09:35PM

Dont be daft wrote: »

his initials are RT.

He writes the odd newspaper article as well I'd say?

Juniorhurler · 20-09-2012 09:36PM

simx wrote: »

what do you cross part with mainly? bb?

I put part straws in lim heifers. Plan on putting bb on any part heifers I get from second calvings on. The will get limousin as maidens.

just do it · 20-09-2012 09:44PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

I tell you how we calculate our profit - on Jan 1st we empty our current account - then ins and outs during the year including tax - whatever is left at 31st December is your real profit

darragh_haven wrote: »

Just saw Tipp mans post, thats the way we calculate profit too (with out actually emptying the account)

Hard to fault it;)

1chippy · 20-09-2012 09:55PM

So has anyone any notion where the money is? i am currently in the process of trying to double the suckler nos as well as trim expenditure needed per animal.
am i going the right route or should i be looking at finishing animals?

Kovu · 20-09-2012 10:03PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

On a side note, we had a heifer that won 1st prize at a weanling show and sale last night. Her mother was a limousin bred from a simmental. We find that the daughters of simmentals breed serious cattle.

Glad to hear this! Just took a chance on crossing Millbrook Dartagnan with a lovely sim second calver for next year. Any idea what his calves are like?

That was the part I meant to quote ( no pun intended:p)

tismesoitis · 20-09-2012 10:12PM

The Parthenais society are pickin up a bull weanling of ours at the weekend for the ploughing stand. Love the calves we have just going to use part slowly until i know the heifers are wide enough and capable of calving blue. got another 25 straws of LRY last week he worth a try lads.

johnpawl · 20-09-2012 10:24PM

tismesoitis wrote: »

The Parthenais society are pickin up a bull weanling of ours at the weekend for the ploughing stand. Love the calves we have just going to use part slowly until i know the heifers are wide enough and capable of calving blue. got another 25 straws of LRY last week he worth a try lads.

Whats the dam of the calf? Any chance of a pic of him

blue5000 · 20-09-2012 10:28PM

What's the story with the fukkin ad in every few posts when we are signed in?

bogman_bass · 20-09-2012 11:46PM

boards have to make a bit of money some way blue!

Fair play tismesotis! must be a mighty animal if hes going to the ploughing!

bob charles · 21-09-2012 12:05AM

Tipp Man wrote: »

The problem is Bob that guys are pumping nuts and fodder into bulls at huge rates and huge costs and are left with feck all - they then need a large turnover of animals to make any kind of money. Its a vicious circle.

Darragh is doing 200 because i would imagine he is spending hardly anything only silage and vetinary on them and not much else. In fact if he has silage to buy back cattle this autumn he'll do a whole lot better than 200

We are making 180 on small store cattle buying in the spring and selling in the autumn - zero fertiliser spread (apart from reseed) - only costs are mart fees, transport (our own) 2 doses and TB test. No sheds needed, no silage needed, definately no nuts needed, feck all in costs and feck all work. Admittedly it could be a very tough year this year as the arse has fallen out of the market - but this is the first year in 10 we have gotten caught - and we haven't sold an animal yet so we haven't actually been caught yet but with the arse after falling out of the market we more than likely won't make much

Fellas would be better off with less animals, less turnover of animals and making more per animal IMO

As I always say if you own land and money you can make plenty of money in dry cattle. unfortunatly as of now I rent most of the land and borrow all the money. If I keep a €1000 animal for a year there is €60 of interest and €60 again of a land rent on top of their head. On my owned ground I alway include an opportunity cost as well as a cost as we could get that without any work. So you lads will be €120 better off with the same animal than poor me

just do it · 21-09-2012 07:14AM

bob charles wrote: »

Tipp Man wrote: »

The problem is Bob that guys are pumping nuts and fodder into bulls at huge rates and huge costs and are left with feck all - they then need a large turnover of animals to make any kind of money. Its a vicious circle.

Darragh is doing 200 because i would imagine he is spending hardly anything only silage and vetinary on them and not much else. In fact if he has silage to buy back cattle this autumn he'll do a whole lot better than 200

We are making 180 on small store cattle buying in the spring and selling in the autumn - zero fertiliser spread (apart from reseed) - only costs are mart fees, transport (our own) 2 doses and TB test. No sheds needed, no silage needed, definately no nuts needed, feck all in costs and feck all work. Admittedly it could be a very tough year this year as the arse has fallen out of the market - but this is the first year in 10 we have gotten caught - and we haven't sold an animal yet so we haven't actually been caught yet but with the arse after falling out of the market we more than likely won't make much

Fellas would be better off with less animals, less turnover of animals and making more per animal IMO

As I always say if you own land and money you can make plenty of money in dry cattle. unfortunatly as of now I rent most of the land and borrow all the money. If I keep a €1000 animal for a year there is €60 of interest and €60 again of a land rent on top of their head. On my owned ground I alway include an opportunity cost as well as a cost as we could get that without any work. So you lads will be €120 better off with the same animal than poor me

Ahh but Bob, would you be happy doing anything else? Somethings you can't put a price on

KCTK · 21-09-2012 07:31AM

Muckit wrote: »

SFA..? Sound Financial Acumen?

Thats a new one for SFA for me

reilig · 21-09-2012 08:36AM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Glad to hear this! Just took a chance on crossing Millbrook Dartagnan with a lovely sim second calver for next year. Any idea what his calves are like?

He has poor calving figures. In our discussion group, 2 people had sections on heifers that he was used on. On the other hand, I had a pedigree cow calve a heifer off him last year and she has turned into a smashing heifer. PL is very fond of putting on Dartangan straws - just be careful if the cow is a hard calver. However, anything that comes out of the Millbrook herd is pretty good in my reconing.

darragh_haven · 21-09-2012 08:49AM

bob Charles said
As I always say if you own land and money you can make plenty of money in dry cattle. unfortunatly as of now I rent most of the land and borrow all the money. If I keep a €1000 animal for a year there is €60 of interest and €60 again of a land rent on top of their head. On my owned ground I alway include an opportunity cost as well as a cost as we could get that without any work. So you lads will be €120 better off with the same animal than poor me[/Quote]

I suppose we are in a very good starting position for our finishing system. We got out of milking cows in 2004, sold a 110 herd plus heifers.
The farm was set up to a very good standard. All the land we farm is owned. We used to do our own silage till 2004, now we mow, and put into the pit ourselves and just get the contractor with the wagon (53 euro per acre first cut). Grass is top quality, never go for quantity. The father won the silage awards in our area 3 of 4 years he entered (he doesn't do it any more, to much hassle). The land is good grass growing land, with an excellent road network. All buildings ate there since the dairy cows, and require some maintenance every year, but is averaging les than 18 euro per head per year. We carry about 120 animals per year, and in the past we have been closer to 150. This allows us to alway finish over 90% off of grass.... We haven't finished less than 90% before housing in over 4 years.
It may be suggested that we are under.stocked, but its easier on man and beast (and fertilizer bill). We have deck all SFP, less than 1000 euro. And are no longer in reps (thaks to a dopey farm adviser)
So in reality, we have to aim for 200, we may as well walk away of we don't........... And of course sell it all to you Bob . winks

tismesoitis · 21-09-2012 10:52AM

johnpawl wrote: »

Whats the dam of the calf? Any chance of a pic of him

Black lim out of a holstein /fr cow who was sired by the 100% holstein bull Eblack(EBK). I'l try have a pic up b4 the day is out.

Bizzum · 21-09-2012 11:39AM

I was without internet there for a few days. I was reduced to reading a book in my spare time. There is something nice about reading a book as opposed to reading stuff off a screen!

Kovu · 21-09-2012 12:43PM

Bizzum wrote: »

I was without internet there for a few days. I was reduced to reading a book in my spare time. There is something nice about reading a book as opposed to reading stuff off a screen!

What were you reading d'ya mind me asking? I've my auld fellas head broke with the amount of books I have. Over 500 at last count:eek:

Black Smoke · 21-09-2012 12:59PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

What were you reading d'ya mind me asking? I've my auld fellas head broke with the amount of books I have. Over 500 at last count:eek:

You need a Kindle:p Great job. You could hold the town library on it! Very easy on the eye when reading it. Just like reading a paper book.

whelan1 · 21-09-2012 01:36PM

was at this this morning... very informative well worth the visit, opened my eyes big time, think its one of the first ones to be held locally

leg wax · 21-09-2012 02:39PM

tismesoitis wrote: »

The Parthenais society are pickin up a bull weanling of ours at the weekend for the ploughing stand. Love the calves we have just going to use part slowly until i know the heifers are wide enough and capable of calving blue. got another 25 straws of LRY last week he worth a try lads.

well done on getting a weanling into the ploughing,he must be red in colour, did they pay for all vacinations for pneumonia as its a very stressfull time on them,last year on the blue stand bottles were on the go,and i was in the part stand and there was concern about animals blowing in there aswell ,i did not see any bottles on the go but they were talking about getting a vet at one stage.

naughto · 21-09-2012 03:47PM

fair play to him

Meet the farmer who sold his land for €1.5m seven years ago - and bought it back for €60,000

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/meet-the-farmer-who-sold-his-land-for-15m-seven-years-ago-and-bought-it-back-for-60000-3235798.html

Kovu · 21-09-2012 03:56PM

Black Smoke wrote: »

You need a Kindle:p Great job. You could hold the town library on it! Very easy on the eye when reading it. Just like reading a paper book.

But it doesn't smell like a book:(

rancher · 21-09-2012 05:09PM

leg wax wrote: »

well done on getting a weanling into the ploughing,he must be red in colour, did they pay for all vacinations for pneumonia as its a very stressfull time on them,last year on the blue stand bottles were on the go,and i was in the part stand and there was concern about animals blowing in there aswell ,i did not see any bottles on the go but they were talking about getting a vet at one stage.

Had a ram on a stand too that ended up
1 with pnuemonia
2 going from being a quite sheep to being a looney from the mawling he got, wouldn't do it again

Richk2012 · 21-09-2012 05:32PM

tismesoitis wrote: »

The Parthenais society are pickin up a bull weanling of ours at the weekend for the ploughing stand. Love the calves we have just going to use part slowly until i know the heifers are wide enough and capable of calving blue. got another 25 straws of LRY last week he worth a try lads.

Thats a great achievement in itself , well done on that

redzerologhlen · 21-09-2012 06:40PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

What were you reading d'ya mind me asking? I've my auld fellas head broke with the amount of books I have. Over 500 at last count:eek:

50 shades of Grey I bet

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