Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Coillte_Bhoy · 09-09-2012 01:01PM

Eirebear wrote: »

The point i'm trying to make, is that if you grow up within certain circumstances and in certain communities - then you are going to be affected by it.
Plain and simple really.

In my eyes, RIRA are no better, or worse, than the UFV/UDA/UDWhatever - all politics aside.

you said it was the same as healy being photographed which it quite clearly is not

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 01:05PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

you said it was the same as healy being photographed which it quite clearly is not

If you want to argue semantics, then you might want to read the post again.

Eirebear wrote: »

Much like Andy Goram's Black armband or David Healy's photo photos with UVF men.
If you live within certain communities - it's bound to happen, it doesn't make it right - but i'd love to see the like's of Dempsey's outrage being cut both ways tbh.

Nowhere do i say it is "The Same" - and i quite clearly state the situation regarding living within that community.
I suggest if you want to find something to nit pick at, you look elsewhere today.

Coillte_Bhoy · 09-09-2012 01:10PM

Eirebear wrote: »

If you want to argue semantics, then you might want to read the post again.

Nowhere do i say it is "The Same" - and i quite clearly state the situation regarding living within that community.
I suggest if you want to find something to nit pick at, you look elsewhere today.

This what you said

Eirebear wrote: »

Much like Andy Goram's Black armband or David Healy's photo photos with UVF men.

you're trying to equate the two. I do understand our point about the communities players come from .

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 01:13PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

This what you said

you're trying to equate the two. I do understand our point about the communities players come from .

Look, it's all the same point - in terms of equating the two, it's simple.
There aren't many other obvious examples of football players and paramilitaries to draw on, i'm not saying they are the exact same situations.

bobbysands81 · 09-09-2012 02:14PM

In relation to Stokes and that tweet... for years I've listened to folk harping on that sport and politics should be kept separate, why are so many on this thread dragging politics into Stokes commemorating the death of his friend?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 02:19PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

In relation to Stokes and that tweet... for years I've listened to folk harping on that sport and politics should be kept separate, why are so many on this thread dragging politics into Stokes commemorating the death of his friend?

As soon as Stokes mentions it on Twitter he is the one bringing it in to the Public domain Bobby. He could simply have kept it personal then no one would be discussing anything but he isn't that smart obviously

Coillte_Bhoy · 09-09-2012 03:17PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

As soon as Stokes mentions it on Twitter he is the one bringing it in to the Public domain Bobby. He could simply have kept it personal then no one would be discussing anything but he isn't that smart obviously

In the public domain, yes, bringing politics into it, no. Because of ryans politics Stokes shouldnt have commented???

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 03:22PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

In the public domain, yes, bringing politics into it, no. Because of ryans politics Stokes shouldnt have commented???

Its really not that difficult Ryan had affiliations to an organisation that people will have strong feelings about rightly or wrongly. Stokes could easily have communicated his grief about this guys death without putting it in the public domain,as soon as he does this he leaves it open for people to comment.

shanered · 09-09-2012 03:33PM

This discussion should be sidelined as it is becoming about third party politics, other than stokes making a comment about a friend that has recently passed away, he did not mention any politics whatsoever.
Therefore having a disscussion about Alan Ryan's death should be kept to the other threads on boards, where you can discuss them there.
Stokes comment really should not be read into too much as it is well known that he was a friend of his family and that it quite understandable that he is grieving.
I don't think that it is inappropiate that he mentioned a friends passing the way he did on twitter.
I also don't think it should be discussed on the celtic thread.

Well, back on topic, I see Samaras is injured for about a month after playing with Greece, he has been playing good for the last while, its a pity we wont have him for the champions league matches coming up!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 03:41PM

shanered wrote: »

This discussion should be sidelined as it is becoming about third party politics, other than stokes making a comment about a friend that has recently passed away, he did not mention any politics whatsoever.
Therefore having a disscussion about Alan Ryan's death should be kept to the other threads on boards, where you can discuss them there.
Stokes comment really should not be read into too much as it is well known that he was a friend of his family and that it quite understandable that he is grieving.
I don't think that it is inappropiate that he mentioned a friends passing the way he did on twitter.
I also don't think it should be discussed on the celtic thread.

Well, back on topic, I see Samaras is injured for about a month after playing with Greece, he has been playing good for the last while, its a pity we wont have him for the champions league matches coming up!

OK Boss well that really puts us all in our place :rolleyes:

shanered · 09-09-2012 04:21PM

Here I was just saying what I think, no need to be smart about it!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 04:23PM

shanered wrote: »

Here I was just saying what I think, no need to be smart about it!

Don't be so serious I was having a laugh lighten up

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 04:34PM

Funny isn't it, remember how much Andy Goram was villified for marking the passing if a "friend".

I await the myriad of reasons as to why that is different..

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 04:37PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Funny isn't it, remember how much Andy Goram was villified for marking the passing if a "friend".

I await the myriad of reasons as to why that is different..

Ah but that is different so it is

the realpigiron · 09-09-2012 05:27PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Funny isn't it, remember how much Andy Goram was villified for marking the passing if a "friend".

I await the myriad of reasons as to why that is different..

I'm of the view that Stokes should concentrate on his football, and stay out of engaging in tweets that brings other attention on him. I think a lot of Celts said that here on this thread, while others Celts said he's entitled to sympathise with his friend on twitter if he so wishes.

It was yourself that brought Andy Goram into the discussion. You have pre-empted the whataboutery. When there was no whataboutery there, you came along and started it.

I guess it's a default position for the likes of yourself, when you are more often than not having to defend certain players behaviour or other aspects of your own club.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 05:35PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

I'm of the view that Stokes should concentrate on his football, and stay out of engaging in tweets that brings other attention on him. I think a lot of Celts said that here on this thread, while others Celts said he's entitled to sympathise with his friend on twitter if he so wishes.

It was yourself that brought Andy Goram into the discussion. You have pre-empted the whataboutery. When there was no whataboutery there, you came along and started it.

I guess it's a default position for the likes of yourself, when you are more often than not having to defend certain players behaviour or other aspects of your own club.

LOL what a lot of pish he merely pointed out the hypocritical nature of the whole thing when Goram did what he did the condemnation from Celtic fans was overwhelming.
But when one of you do a similar thing on a message board there is no such outpouring.
As for us having to defend our club would you expect us to let people like yourself walk all over us especially when half the time we have to defend against fantasies.

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 05:37PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

Eirebear wrote: »

Funny isn't it, remember how much Andy Goram was villified for marking the passing if a "friend".

I await the myriad of reasons as to why that is different..

I'm of the view that Stokes should concentrate on his football, and stay out of engaging in tweets that brings other attention on him. I think a lot of Celts said that here on this thread, while others Celts said he's entitled to sympathise with his friend on twitter if he so wishes.

It was yourself that brought Andy Goram into the discussion. You have pre-empted the whataboutery. When there was no whataboutery there, you came along and started it.

I guess it's a default position for the likes of yourself, when you are more often than not having to defend certain players behaviour or other aspects of your own club.

I think you'll find I was referring to Bobby's inference that Stokes should be left to mourn his loss in peace.
Yes, I brought Goram into it, and in fact I think that Goram was a complete and utter idiot for doing what he did.
However the reaction from certain sections simply underlines the hypocrisy of an element of the Celtic support when it comes to their relationship with republicanism.

And seriously, "whataboutery"?
Is that your default comeback nowadays?

Is attempting to have a conversation, and highlighting past events now "whataboutery"?

Coillte_Bhoy · 09-09-2012 06:51PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Funny isn't it, remember how much Andy Goram was villified for marking the passing if a "friend".

I await the myriad of reasons as to why that is different..

wearing a black armband at celtic park is the same????

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 06:54PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

wearing a black armband at celtic park is the same????

Well putting it on Twitter for the world to see really isn't any more intelligent

A Dub in Glasgo · 09-09-2012 07:02PM

You know it is international week when a stupid tweet generates so much angst

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 07:05PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

wearing a black armband at celtic park is the same????

Yes.
Twitter has far more reach and influence when it comes to firing up the numpties than Goram at Parkhead in the 90's could ever hope to have had.

bobbysands81 · 09-09-2012 07:18PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Yes.
Twitter has far more reach and influence when it comes to firing up the numpties than Goram at Parkhead in the 90's could ever hope to have had.

As soon as Goram wears it during a Rangers match he is politicising the act and using Rangers to do so so really it is completely different.

Stokes was saying goodbye to a close friend which he has every right to do. If he had done it during a Celtic game then that might be a different story for the above reasons.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 07:31PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

As soon as Goram wears it during a Rangers match he is politicising the act and using Rangers to do so so really it is completely different.

Stokes was saying goodbye to a close friend which he has every right to do. If he had done it during a Celtic game then that might be a different story for the above reasons.

Nonsense it is only politicised when it suits your needs. Stokes knows full well what may happen when he says goodbye to his close friend who happens to be in RIRA. This is why players should not be using it

bobbysands81 · 09-09-2012 07:34PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Nonsense it is only politicised when it suits your needs. Stokes knows full well what may happen when he says goodbye to his close friend who happens to be in RIRA. This is why players should not be using it

Stokes tweeted that he was thinking of his friend, others have politicised it.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 07:36PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Stokes tweeted that he was thinking of his friend, others have politicised it.

A friend who was in RIRA what did he think people were going to do. I know a lot of footballers are stupid but come on

PauloMN · 09-09-2012 07:36PM

Some things are better left unsaid - that tweet is one of them. I think a high profile player expressing his sympathy on Twitter for a known criminal is a bad idea. Not sure who even mentioned politics, or what politics even has to do with it. We're talking about a criminal organisation - plain and simple. Anyone who believes this group are some sort of republican heroes are living in fantasyland.

It's clear Stokes knew what he was doing when he tweeted. Of course it's possible he felt under pressure to do so also.

bobbysands81 · 09-09-2012 07:39PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

A friend who was in RIRA what did he think people were going to do. I know a lot of footballers are stupid but come on

Well the upshot of this argument seems to be that a lot of people are comfortable mixing politics and sport when it suits them.

the realpigiron · 09-09-2012 07:43PM

Eirebear wrote: »

I think you'll find I was referring to Bobby's inference that Stokes should be left to mourn his loss in peace.
Yes, I brought Goram into it, and in fact I think that Goram was a complete and utter idiot for doing what he did.
However the reaction from certain sections simply underlines the hypocrisy of an element of the Celtic support when it comes to their relationship with republicanism.

First of all what the RIRA appear to be engaged with has nothing to do with Republicanism of any shape or form. As far as I can make out it's to do with a battle with drug gangs, or else it is some form of vigilantism around North County Dublin by the looks of it.

Eirebear wrote: »

And seriously, "whataboutery"?
Is that your default comeback nowadays?

Is attempting to have a conversation, and highlighting past events now "whataboutery"?

The point I was making is that when a comment along these lines is made about your club, some Rangers fans here reply with stuff like - "but Celtic did this and Celtic fans did that". In this instance the discussion was about a Celtic player and it was your good self who brought up incidents relating to Rangers. That's whataboutery in reverse if you like, no matter what way you want to explain it away.

As regards the issue in question, I just want Anthony Stokes to make the most of his talents and in my view he could do without the distractions that the tweet might bring.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 07:44PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Well the upshot of this argument seems to be that a lot of people are comfortable mixing politics and sport when it suits them.

Again rubbish it would have been much better if he never tweeted it. You are the one that is banging on about politicising it. We are saying he shouldn't have done it and the condemnation another player got shows a hypocritical attitude and to be honest there is nothing political about RIRA as Paul pointed out nothing but criminals

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 09-09-2012 07:46PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

First of all what the RIRA appear to be engaged with has nothing to do with Republicanism of any shape or form. As far as I can make out it's to do with a battle with drug gangs, or else it is some form of vigilantism around North County Dublin by the looks of it.

The point I was making is that when a comment along these lines is made about your club, some Rangers fans here reply with stuff like - "but Celtic did this and Celtic fans did that". In this instance the discussion was about a Celtic player and it was your good self who brought up incidents relating to Rangers. That's whataboutery in reverse if you like, no matter what way you want to explain it away.

As regards the issue in question, I just want Anthony Stokes to make the most of his talents and in my view he could do without the distractions that the tweet might bring.

Oh dear God so we aren't allowed to defend our club and now we can't say if Celtic or there players do anything. Right you are then so I suppose you won't be posting anything about Rangers from now on after all fair is fair

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