Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Dempsey · 03-09-2012 08:38PM

PauloMN wrote: »

I think that's harsh on the medical staff, Dempsey. Of course the injury didn't happen overnight, but only after a period of time can it be correctly diagnosed as what it actually is. Players have niggles all the time, only when there's a long term pattern can they properly diagnose it I guess. I'm no doctor, but I'd imagine that's how it works.

Sitting it out is not an option by the sounds of it, if it is degenerative, then it ain't going to get better. I guess it's all about how best they can manage it at this point to limit further damage, but I'm not sure whether "reserving" a player for certain games will work, either for the player or for the club. Players surely need regular game time to be at their peak, rather than being used every few weeks when "big" games come up. Sounds like a bizarre strategy tbh.

The standard tests would have shown up all the damage, old & new, in Brown's hip. There would have been enough evidence to warrant further testing before handing out a multimillion pound long term contract.

I believe that this is a cut corner by Celtic and its not this injury that has me criticising them, there has been a few times where I thought they didnt manage an injury correctly and I pointed them out before.

We failed to diagnose a hip problem in a player that runs all day and clatters into people before giving him a massive contract whilst I see clubs like Milan teaching their players how to walk, run & jump better to avoid injuries. They even do extensive dental exams because of its "influence on the upper cervical dynamics, dealing with the spine and the nervous system, because our information comes from the brain all the way down". Its no fluke that Milan players in recent times were able to play to a very high level in their mid-late 30's. I even read that they gave David Beckham a snoring retainer to help him sleep and they could measure an improvement in his training because of it!

LostBoy101 · 03-09-2012 09:52PM

Dempsey wrote: »

The standard tests would have shown up all the damage, old & new, in Brown's hip. There would have been enough evidence to warrant further testing before handing out a multimillion pound long term contract.

I believe that this is a cut corner by Celtic and its not this injury that has me criticising them, there has been a few times where I thought they didnt manage an injury correctly and I pointed them out before.

We failed to diagnose a hip problem in a player that runs all day and clatters into people before giving him a massive contract whilst I see clubs like Milan teaching their players how to walk, run & jump better to avoid injuries. They even do extensive dental exams because of its "influence on the upper cervical dynamics, dealing with the spine and the nervous system, because our information comes from the brain all the way down". Its no fluke that Milan players in recent times were able to play to a very high level in their mid-late 30's. I even read that they gave David Beckham a snoring retainer to help him sleep and they could measure an improvement in his training because of it!

I think I'd fancy one of them now :pac:

eire4 · 04-09-2012 05:32PM

Dempsey wrote: »

The standard tests would have shown up all the damage, old & new, in Brown's hip. There would have been enough evidence to warrant further testing before handing out a multimillion pound long term contract.

I believe that this is a cut corner by Celtic and its not this injury that has me criticising them, there has been a few times where I thought they didnt manage an injury correctly and I pointed them out before.

We failed to diagnose a hip problem in a player that runs all day and clatters into people before giving him a massive contract whilst I see clubs like Milan teaching their players how to walk, run & jump better to avoid injuries. They even do extensive dental exams because of its "influence on the upper cervical dynamics, dealing with the spine and the nervous system, because our information comes from the brain all the way down". Its no fluke that Milan players in recent times were able to play to a very high level in their mid-late 30's. I even read that they gave David Beckham a snoring retainer to help him sleep and they could measure an improvement in his training because of it!

Your last paragraph there about the dental exams and the level of details physically looked at by Milan with their players is very impressive.

Eirebear · 04-09-2012 07:17PM

Both Barry Ferguson and Peter Lovendkrandz wore gumshields while sleeping when at Rangers to rectify hip problems.

As for Brown, I said a long time ago that a certain Tony Mowbray was toying with his career by constantly playing him through injury.

blahfckingblah · 04-09-2012 07:21PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Both Barry Ferguson and Peter Lovendkrandz wore gumshields while sleeping when at Rangers to rectify hip problems.

to stop them from putting their feet in their mouths

eire4 · 06-09-2012 06:29PM

I see Mulgrew has pulled out of the Scotland World Cup Qualifier. Hopefully nothing serious we have more then enough guys out at the moment without adding Charlie Mulgrew to that list.

TheBuilder · 06-09-2012 06:32PM

eire4 wrote: »

I see Mulgrew has pulled out of the Scotland World Cup Qualifier. Hopefully nothing serious we have more then enough guys out at the moment without adding Charlie Mulgrew to that list.

Achilles injury, no word on how bad it is.

Dempsey · 06-09-2012 08:13PM

I'd like to see this "paperwork" that Levante say they have. Someone is lying and they should be pulled for it

the realpigiron · 06-09-2012 08:59PM

How come Kris Commons isn't in the Scotland squad and in the first team?, Did he fallout with Levein?

Dempsey · 06-09-2012 09:04PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

How come Kris Commons isn't in the Scotland squad and in the first team?, Did he fallout with Levein?

Think I read or heard that Levein considers him ~7th choice for the position he plays. Levein has a preference for players that work their socks off when they dont have the ball.

TheBuilder · 06-09-2012 09:05PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

How come Kris Commons isn't in the Scotland squad and in the first team?, Did he fallout with Levein?

Because Levein is a totally inept manager. Commons should be in that squad, Levein should be crawling on his knees to get Steven Fletcher in there as well.

He should never have been given a 4 year contract, and should've been sacked immediately after the tactical disaster in the czech republic.

ft9 · 07-09-2012 01:56PM

Anyone get their Champions League tickets today?

Fenian Army · 08-09-2012 08:41PM

Surprised there hasn't been tons of aggro over this yet

Stokesy ain't afraid to speak his own mind, admirable trait

PauloMN · 08-09-2012 08:56PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Surprised there hasn't been tons of aggro over this yet

Stokesy ain't afraid to speak his own mind, admirable trait

Maybe nobody gives a fcuk what Stokesy posts in Twitter, I know I don't.

I have said all along though that high profile individuals should probably not use Twitter, or at least be very careful what they post on it. A lot of footballers seemingly don't have the common sense to decide what they should and should not post. Problem is you'll get some dimwit who might decide to attack him or his property over what he posts.

bobbysands81 · 08-09-2012 09:06PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Surprised there hasn't been tons of aggro over this yet

Stokesy ain't afraid to speak his own mind, admirable trait

No doubt it'll make the papers.

Savage Tyrant · 08-09-2012 09:19PM

I'm out of the loop... What's the tweet relating to?

TheBuilder · 08-09-2012 09:21PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

I'm out of the loop... What's the tweet relating to?

The RIRA guy that was killed, Alan Ryan.

Players need to be more careful with what they're saying on Twitter.

Fenian Army · 08-09-2012 09:22PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

I'm out of the loop... What's the tweet relating to?

Alan Ryan, he would have known him

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-09-2012 09:23PM

I think Stokes is another of those players who should stay away from twitter. No real brain cell in his head

TheBuilder · 08-09-2012 09:24PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I think Stokes is another of those players who should stay away from twitter. No real brain cell in his head

Most players lol

bobbysands81 · 09-09-2012 12:31AM

TheBuilder wrote: »

The RIRA guy that was killed, Alan Ryan.

Players need to be more careful with what they're saying on Twitter.

Yup, close friends with the Stokes family.

bobbysands81 · 09-09-2012 12:33AM

Help us out lads... need some 'thanks' so I don't get stuck on 1,690!!!

:D:D:D

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 02:27AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

No doubt it'll make the papers.

Much like Andy Goram's Black armband or David Healy's photo photos with UVF men.
If you live within certain communities - it's bound to happen, it doesn't make it right - but i'd love to see the like's of Dempsey's outrage being cut both ways tbh.

Savage Tyrant · 09-09-2012 08:23AM

I've met Alan Ryan on a number of occasions. I'm certainly not mourning him or thinking about him (nor for the record am I happy he's dead)
While I don't think Stokes has done "wrong" by posting that tweet, after all if the chap was his friend then he's entitled to grieve for him no matter what he is or what he's done. But he really should have kept his grief private rather than posting it on public social media.

lubo_moravcik · 09-09-2012 08:32AM

Samaras out for a couple of weeks after injuring a ligament in his arm playing for Greece

Lawrence1895 · 09-09-2012 08:51AM

I wonder, why Trap never calls Stokes into the Irish team...

the realpigiron · 09-09-2012 09:54AM

Lars1916 wrote: »

I wonder, why Trap never calls Stokes into the Irish team...

I think Stokes is distracting himself with trying to keep in with his family and their friends and the odd murky world they appear to operate in. I don't know much about the RIRA. Just reading a little bit about it Alan Ryan was among those along with John Stokes, Anthony's dad, who were charged with threatening a pub owner to close with menace. The RIRA if you were to believe some sources appear to operate like vigilantees against drug pushers and the like. Other sources will say that they are involved in the drugs trade themselves anyway.

None of this stuff has anything to do with Republicanism of any hue, and most especially has nothing to do with Celtic FC. I think John Stokes at one stage was also making comments in the media that Lenny should be picking Anthony for the games v Rangers when Lenny used to start other strikers. This most certainly didn't help Anthony's cause in getting in the team.

If Antony Stokes knew Alan Ryan, he could have passed on his condolences in private. Tweeting it is not going to impress anyone bar those within the circles that his father and Ryan and others operate.

Anthony Stokes needs to make a decision. Is he going to make the most of the rest of his football career or is he going to continue to ingratiate himself with a narrow select cohort by acting like he's some kind of a hero to them.

Coillte_Bhoy · 09-09-2012 11:56AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Much like Andy Goram's Black armband or David Healy's photo photos with UVF men.
If you live within certain communities - it's bound to happen, it doesn't make it right - but i'd love to see the like's of Dempsey's outrage being cut both ways tbh.

No, its nothing at all like it. Ryan may have been a friend of his and all stokes did was express sympathy. He made no political point whatsoever. You really think this is the same as healy??

the realpigiron · 09-09-2012 12:01PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No, its nothing at all like it. Ryan may have been a friend of his and all stokes did was express sympathy. He made no political point whatsoever. You really think this is the same as healy??

That's definitely true, what Stokes did does not compare to posing for photos with paramilatiries like Healy.

I just reckon for the sake of his own career he should concentrate on his game and not draw attention to himself with tweets, he could have sent his condolences privately.

Eirebear · 09-09-2012 12:53PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No, its nothing at all like it. Ryan may have been a friend of his and all stokes did was express sympathy. He made no political point whatsoever. You really think this is the same as healy??

The point i'm trying to make, is that if you grow up within certain circumstances and in certain communities - then you are going to be affected by it.
Plain and simple really.

In my eyes, RIRA are no better, or worse, than the UFV/UDA/UDWhatever - all politics aside.

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